Will there ever be an Athlon XP 4000+ release?

[pap1stik]

Will there ever be an Athlon XP 4000+ release? Or, in terms of overclocking, with a 400Mhz bus and the right cpu multipliers can you get any current Athlon XP chips to a "4000+" performance level? What that would relate to in actual CPU mhz, and what multiplier would you have to use?

 

[Avalon]

My 2.4ghz mobile barton has a PR rating of roughly 3450+, so you figure you gain 250 every 200mhz. Sure, you can hit 4000, if you're on exotic cooling and running at or in excess of 2.95ghz. There will never be a released XP 4000+, but Sempron may get up there.

 

[Gikaseixas]

XP4000+ release ??? I don't think so. there's a speed converter for Barton based chips and my XP3200 running at 2402 mhz turns out to be a XP3600. Maybe with an unlocked cpu i could get to those speeds. I have a friend that runs his XP2500 @ 2700 mhz on air.

Here's the link: http://www.localghost.org/projects/amdpr.php

 

[pap1stik]

according to that calculator you would need a barton to run at 2625mhz to top 4000+ performance levels. Could that be reached without water cooling? does AMD plan to release any faster clocked bartons?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well that max internal clockspeed of any Athlon XP processor is 3Ghz. I can prove it if need be. So you can get it up there but no higher even with things like liquid nitrogen.

-Kevin

 

[TotalImmortal]

4000+ is pritty doable with a mobile barton 2500/2600+ and the right mobo, memory and Good air / entry level water cooling. I know that many ppl are getting to 2.6GHz with them and i figure that the incresed FSB that most run them at will easily make up for any shortfall. People have got them to 3GHz with exotic cooling..

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: pap1stik
Will there ever be an Athlon XP 4000+ release? Or, in terms of overclocking, with a 400Mhz bus and the right cpu multipliers can you get any current Athlon XP chips to a "4000+" performance level? What that would relate to in actual CPU mhz, and what multiplier would you have to use?

No. In terms of the CPU buisness, it wouldnt make sense. It would compete w/ the A64

 

[byosys]

I bet an 2500+ Mobile somewhere has hit 2.7GHz, and possibly not even using water cooling.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

There will never be an XP at 4000+ stock (I don't think even a 3400+ at stock but you never know). In fact the XP line is now on the way to death as the Sempron rises in its place like a Phoenix. There will be a AMD64 4000+ (probably Q4 (I haven't looked at the roadmaps lately so don't quote me!) and on up from there.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well that max internal clockspeed of any Athlon XP processor is 3Ghz. I can prove it if need be. So you can get it up there but no higher even with things like liquid nitrogen.

-Kevin

Prove it then.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Ok... i will edit this post as soon as i screen capture it.

-Kevin

Edit: Wait there is an easier way of doing this... go to 3dmark 03 and look at system info and expand CPU. it says max internal clock 3000mhz. If you still dont believe me im sorry because lol i cant remember where the second one is. Also i have no way of putting the screen capture images in the forums.
Your probably going to laugh and say future mark knows nothing, but until you can get ME screen captures of one running above 3ghz then im in the same stance

 

[TotalImmortal]

Maximum internal clock of 3GHz, bolocks!!!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=495184#post495184
and that not the only one...

 

[quickford]

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html

Am I reading that roadmap correctly? 90nm Athlon XP due out late '05? Or will that become Sempron? Will it be Socket A or migrate to 754? And will it break the 3Ghz mark? Will anyone care about non-64bit by then? Have I completely lost my mind?

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: quickford
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html

Am I reading that roadmap correctly? 90nm Athlon XP due out late '05? Or will that become Sempron? Will it be Socket A or migrate to 754? And will it break the 3Ghz mark? Will anyone care about non-64bit by then? Have I completely lost my mind?

From Anand's last Roadmap (regarding Semprons):

"According to AMD's roadmaps, these new processors appear to be based off the 256KB L2 130nm "Paris" cores for Socket 939/754 and 512KB L2 130nm "Barton" cores for Socket A."

Regarding brand names: XP ~ Sempron, and thus the wierd naming scheme on the official roadmap. Other than "making your own" w/a mobile Barton, Socket A is still dead.

 

[DaNorthface]

Originally posted by: Avalon
My 2.4ghz mobile barton has a PR rating of roughly 3450+, so you figure you gain 250 every 200mhz. Sure, you can hit 4000, if you're on exotic cooling and running at or in excess of 2.95ghz. There will never be a released XP 4000+, but Sempron may get up there.

what PR system are you using? If you go by AMD's rating system, where 33 mhz increase is 200 PR at 400 fsb, then you get a 4000XP at only 2333. If you use universal AMD tool, then you need 2.55 ghz for 4000xp+.. if you want to calculate it this way: 2200/3200XP*4000xp = 2750 mhz for 4000xp - so only 2750 mhz is needed

 

[Vette73]

Yea the ONLY AthlonXP's being made now are 2800, 3000, and 3200. Anything lower is a sempron with 256kb L2 now.


SocketA (and sempron 754 chips) is a Celeron fighter, and a dam good one at that.

 

[o1die]

Sempron in socket a format is amd's way of extending the life of an old platform, and getting suckers like you and I to spend more on a new name. Hopefully, many motherboards will offer a bios upgrade to recognize the new cpu. Raising prices for the current top end xp's now will allow them to charge a little more for sempron.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: o1die
Sempron in socket a format is amd's way of extending the life of an old platform, and getting suckers like you and I to spend more on a new name. Hopefully, many motherboards will offer a bios upgrade to recognize the new cpu. Raising prices for the current top end xp's now will allow them to charge a little more for sempron.

What do you mean by suckers? It will be cheaper then a Athlon XP (or Athlon64 for the 3100+ model) and is way faster then even the newwest Celeron. Sounds like a win win for everybody from power users to just e-mail people.

 

[sandorski]

If there is enough demand AMD might make a Socket A Sempron, but that's a big "if".

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: sandorski
If there is enough demand AMD might make a Socket A Sempron, but that's a big "if".

You need to do some more research, ALL but 1 sempron at launch is socket A. the other one is a 1.8Ghz 256kb L2 cache socket 754 chip, with no 64bit.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: sandorski
If there is enough demand AMD might make a Socket A Sempron, but that's a big "if".

You need to do some more research, ALL but 1 sempron at launch is socket A. the other one is a 1.8Ghz 256kb L2 cache socket 754 chip, with no 64bit.

Oops, should have said: If there is enough demand AMD might make a 4000+ Socket A Sempron, but that's a big "if