Will there be any payback for better ram

[Zap]

If it's a useless waste to buy into, how is that not dead.

Why is it a useless waste? What if you want to run more than 16GB RAM? What if you want to run three graphics cards? What if you want more than 4 real cores? Just because you wouldn't buy it doesn't mean it is a waste or is "dead" tech. Socket 2011 is the real replacement for socket 1366.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Why is it a useless waste?

Because the only real reason to buy into it is the ridiculously overpriced 980X. Heard of the much more economical 2600K?

What if you want to run more than 16GB RAM?

SB supports up to 32GB.

What if you want to run three graphics cards?

SB supports triple-GPU.

What if you want more than 4 real cores?

Key word: want. Virtually no one needs the 980X except to play with it (and themselves).

Just because you wouldn't buy it doesn't mean it is a waste or is "dead" tech. Socket 2011 is the real replacement for socket 1366.

True, but you're obviously just trying to split hairs. It's dead to everyone except you, apparently.

 

[fffblackmage]

SB supports triple-GPU.

Supports, but that doesn't mean it is ideal. Isn't SB limited with only 16x PCIe 2.0 lanes?

 

[Davidh373]

Key word: want. Virtually no one needs the 980X except to play with it (and themselves).

correction, 3D and video editing workstaions would make use of it, but not the OP. I agree it was a bad decision by the OP. It is however, up to the OP to change his mind. If he is happy with the ancient and dead platform, let him be happy. The 950 will still run everything that's thrown at it, and the i5 2500K only benchmarks 5-10 fps above it. It's not like losing those 10 fps is going to affect his experience if he does truly get a new build every two years.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

correction, 3D and video editing workstaions would make use of it

Well I did say virtually no one. But with 2600 out soon, the cost to benefit ratio looks pretty bad. Doubt too many businesses/individuals would be interested, if any.

 

[magomago]

WOW guys, can you clear your minds for a moment and look at what was written: 1366 is an "ancient and dead" platform that is 'useless waste' !? SB is Intel's biggest jump in the last 10 years?!!

Lay down the crack pipe.

Everything in consumer technology is a matter of want: there is no greater NEED for a quadcore than there is for a hexcore. And if you truly need a quadcore, i guarantee you that there is entertainment that relies on a quadcore, and that entertainment is a WANT. There is no possible way to try to construct an argument that a hexcore is a want while the others are exempt from this.

to the OP --> you aren't bandwidth limited on your system like other ssaid, so only focus on kicking up your multiplier providing that you can (i'm not an expert on iCore systems so I'm not sure if its locked). I'd just get some nice stable ram that syncs with your processor and go at it that way. the extra money could go anywhere else.

And sure, you bought into a platform that will be phased out within a year, but the 'new' stuff isn't radically faster (10-15%?) so you will still be fine. If you really do upgrades biannually, i'm surprised you arne't always up to date...twice a year is quite a bit to upgrade

 

[flexcore]

I gotta agree with the OP. There is no need to bitch, whine, and crap on/about his decision. It's one thing to inform him of his options and another to berate him for what he is obviously happy with. And he's right about these forums going down the shitter.

 

[Davidh373]

Everything in consumer technology is a matter of want: there is no greater NEED for a quadcore than there is for a hexcore. And if you truly need a quadcore, i guarantee you that there is entertainment that relies on a quadcore, and that entertainment is a WANT. There is no possible way to try to construct an argument that a hexcore is a want while the others are exempt from this.

Release of the 1366 i7 was nearly 3 years ago... that is pretty ancient in computer years man... and it is the TRUTH that no further processors will be released for the platform (therefore it is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD). The 1366 motherboards are also $200+ most of the time, and the i7 950 is currently $290, almost $80 more than the now $215 i5 that kicks the crap out of it. I'm not arguing that the OP didn't make a decent decision, but he did make a mistake. You are also providing him with disinformation.

Entertainment is a want, hardware providing that entertainment is a want, but that is all the more reason to spend $150 less to provide for some of his needs maybe? I mean, he came in here to save $50, why is it so bad for us to try to convince him to save $150 extra to get something BETTER?

There is no doubt in my mind the OP will enjoy the computer. I will flatout just say it, but he'll be enjoying it for $150 more than he could have. I have no problem pointing out that fact either. I do it to myself all the time when I buy something overpriced. If one doesn't realize he was a fool, he will be a fool yet again.

Enjoy the computer OP, just do your research next time so you don't get fooled again.

 

[WileyCoyoteJr]

Yikes!
I am a Brand new registered member here at this Forum. Not unlike the OP, I only upgrade (total new Rig, top to bottom) about once every four years. Mid-course after about two years, I usually find myself tweaking with a few enhancements.

I am, I suppose, a casual PC user...by that I mean that I am mostly into Flight Sims, Submarine Sims, a few FPS games such as the COD series, some amateur Movie-making (so-called machinima), some amateur architecture/design stuff (not CAD level)….and some other hobbies.

For lack of a better term, I am not a GeekSquad guy (No Offense intended) and have never overclocked anything. My only bench-marking activity is when I sit my sweaty bottom down on a bench at the Fitness center.

In any event, I DO conduct extensive research Before I Buy, and as the OP said, each time I return to do such research I find there are major developments and that I have a lot to re-learn. I return to forums such as this one, and the experts have always been very helpful…and courteous to an old retired guy like me (pushing 68) asking sometimes dumb questions, I suppose.

I do not do the physical Build of a Rig…I pay for that…being not so confident in my ability to avoid a bent pin or snapped whatever, etc….but I do my research on all components, then take my (secret) list in to the shop and let them suggest what they think would meet my Needs. Then I compare my list to theirs and adjust if necessary. I’ve mostly been very close to being right on the mark.

Also for background, I am able to afford cutting edge components…hopefully not foolish OverKill, but I don’t usually follow the oft repeated advice of: “Just wait another 6-9 months and something new is coming and you will see the price of that current top-of-the-line component (whichever) you’ve selected drop by XX dollars”. When I decide I need to jump, that it is the time to jump, I tend to Jump. I don’t golf in my retirement, so I have lots of Green Fees available for alternative pleasures.

So…about six months ago I started researching a new Build, anticipating an imminent release of a particularly/extremely demanding Simulation of great interest to me. I compiled my set of components (on paper) and waited for an announcement of the anticipated Program/Simulation. It was slow in coming…perhaps very fortunate for me.

So, here’s the deal…My ‘proposed’ Rig at that time was very similar to the OP’s…I just didn’t make the jump/buy as he has done, but I was Very Close to doing so. I’d like to think that had I made a tactical error in selecting a component or two, that if I came to a forum such as this for info/advice, that I would be helped/advised without chastisement.

Now I have a target date of March 2011, and find myself back in the research game…sure enough the advancements/developments have come along as always…now being the i7 2600, 1155 sockets, P67 Mobo’s, etc etc. Sandy Bridge is here ( not merely projected as probably coming along in probably early 2011 as it seemed to be when I was doing my research 8-10 months ago). But, as always, I now see in this thread references to the real Jump Forward is something called Ivy Bridge and Socket 2011. It never ends.

I hope to soon post my selected list of components here for review by the experts, and any friendly advice as may be forthcoming.

If you’ve read down this far, I do have some RAM questions at this time…please don’t bite my head off: Can you point me to a clear, non-expert, explanation of RAM these days? Is it not necessary for someone like me to exceed 1600MHZ? Likewise, is it not necessary for me to exceed 8GB? What was meant in a post in this thread saying Triple Channel RAM is not needed with Sandy Bridge?
Thanks in advance for any explanations/advice

 

[Slimline]

Yikes!
I am a Brand new registered member here at this Forum. Not unlike the OP, I only upgrade (total new Rig, top to bottom) about once every four years. Mid-course after about two years, I usually find myself tweaking with a few enhancements.

I am, I suppose, a casual PC user...by that I mean that I am mostly into Flight Sims, Submarine Sims, a few FPS games such as the COD series, some amateur Movie-making (so-called machinima), some amateur architecture/design stuff (not CAD level)….and some other hobbies.

For lack of a better term, I am not a GeekSquad guy (No Offense intended) and have never overclocked anything. My only bench-marking activity is when I sit my sweaty bottom down on a bench at the Fitness center.

In any event, I DO conduct extensive research Before I Buy, and as the OP said, each time I return to do such research I find there are major developments and that I have a lot to re-learn. I return to forums such as this one, and the experts have always been very helpful…and courteous to an old retired guy like me (pushing 68) asking sometimes dumb questions, I suppose.

I do not do the physical Build of a Rig…I pay for that…being not so confident in my ability to avoid a bent pin or snapped whatever, etc….but I do my research on all components, then take my (secret) list in to the shop and let them suggest what they think would meet my Needs. Then I compare my list to theirs and adjust if necessary. I’ve mostly been very close to being right on the mark.

Also for background, I am able to afford cutting edge components…hopefully not foolish OverKill, but I don’t usually follow the oft repeated advice of: “Just wait another 6-9 months and something new is coming and you will see the price of that current top-of-the-line component (whichever) you’ve selected drop by XX dollars”. When I decide I need to jump, that it is the time to jump, I tend to Jump. I don’t golf in my retirement, so I have lots of Green Fees available for alternative pleasures.

So…about six months ago I started researching a new Build, anticipating an imminent release of a particularly/extremely demanding Simulation of great interest to me. I compiled my set of components (on paper) and waited for an announcement of the anticipated Program/Simulation. It was slow in coming…perhaps very fortunate for me.

So, here’s the deal…My ‘proposed’ Rig at that time was very similar to the OP’s…I just didn’t make the jump/buy as he has done, but I was Very Close to doing so. I’d like to think that had I made a tactical error in selecting a component or two, that if I came to a forum such as this for info/advice, that I would be helped/advised without chastisement.

Now I have a target date of March 2011, and find myself back in the research game…sure enough the advancements/developments have come along as always…now being the i7 2600, 1155 sockets, P67 Mobo’s, etc etc. Sandy Bridge is here ( not merely projected as probably coming along in probably early 2011 as it seemed to be when I was doing my research 8-10 months ago). But, as always, I now see in this thread references to the real Jump Forward is something called Ivy Bridge and Socket 2011. It never ends.

I hope to soon post my selected list of components here for review by the experts, and any friendly advice as may be forthcoming.

If you’ve read down this far, I do have some RAM questions at this time…please don’t bite my head off: Can you point me to a clear, non-expert, explanation of RAM these days? Is it not necessary for someone like me to exceed 1600MHZ? Likewise, is it not necessary for me to exceed 8GB? What was meant in a post in this thread saying Triple Channel RAM is not needed with Sandy Bridge?
Thanks in advance for any explanations/advice

Great post Your question regarding dual/triple channel memory is easy enough for me to answer. The new sandybridge architecture only supports dual channel memory configurations at this time (and I do not think that will change or can change). I too just built a system with 8gb 1600mhz Mushkin memory. I couldnt justify the price/performance increase of going any faster and I am going to overclock anyway.

More interestingly, which sim is releasing in March? I am a casual FSX'er and just bought wings of prey (which isnt very simulation) however havent heard of any new releases. I have been waiting to here more on Microsoft Flight and would love to hear of a new combat flight sim!

 

[Davidh373]

Yikes!
I am a Brand new registered member here at this Forum. Not unlike the OP, I only upgrade (total new Rig, top to bottom) about once every four years. Mid-course after about two years, I usually find myself tweaking with a few enhancements.

I am, I suppose, a casual PC user...by that I mean that I am mostly into Flight Sims, Submarine Sims, a few FPS games such as the COD series, some amateur Movie-making (so-called machinima), some amateur architecture/design stuff (not CAD level)….and some other hobbies.

For lack of a better term, I am not a GeekSquad guy (No Offense intended) and have never overclocked anything. My only bench-marking activity is when I sit my sweaty bottom down on a bench at the Fitness center.

In any event, I DO conduct extensive research Before I Buy, and as the OP said, each time I return to do such research I find there are major developments and that I have a lot to re-learn. I return to forums such as this one, and the experts have always been very helpful…and courteous to an old retired guy like me (pushing 68) asking sometimes dumb questions, I suppose.

I do not do the physical Build of a Rig…I pay for that…being not so confident in my ability to avoid a bent pin or snapped whatever, etc….but I do my research on all components, then take my (secret) list in to the shop and let them suggest what they think would meet my Needs. Then I compare my list to theirs and adjust if necessary. I’ve mostly been very close to being right on the mark.

Also for background, I am able to afford cutting edge components…hopefully not foolish OverKill, but I don’t usually follow the oft repeated advice of: “Just wait another 6-9 months and something new is coming and you will see the price of that current top-of-the-line component (whichever) you’ve selected drop by XX dollars”. When I decide I need to jump, that it is the time to jump, I tend to Jump. I don’t golf in my retirement, so I have lots of Green Fees available for alternative pleasures.

So…about six months ago I started researching a new Build, anticipating an imminent release of a particularly/extremely demanding Simulation of great interest to me. I compiled my set of components (on paper) and waited for an announcement of the anticipated Program/Simulation. It was slow in coming…perhaps very fortunate for me.

So, here’s the deal…My ‘proposed’ Rig at that time was very similar to the OP’s…I just didn’t make the jump/buy as he has done, but I was Very Close to doing so. I’d like to think that had I made a tactical error in selecting a component or two, that if I came to a forum such as this for info/advice, that I would be helped/advised without chastisement.

Now I have a target date of March 2011, and find myself back in the research game…sure enough the advancements/developments have come along as always…now being the i7 2600, 1155 sockets, P67 Mobo’s, etc etc. Sandy Bridge is here ( not merely projected as probably coming along in probably early 2011 as it seemed to be when I was doing my research 8-10 months ago). But, as always, I now see in this thread references to the real Jump Forward is something called Ivy Bridge and Socket 2011. It never ends.

I hope to soon post my selected list of components here for review by the experts, and any friendly advice as may be forthcoming.

If you’ve read down this far, I do have some RAM questions at this time…please don’t bite my head off: Can you point me to a clear, non-expert, explanation of RAM these days? Is it not necessary for someone like me to exceed 1600MHZ? Likewise, is it not necessary for me to exceed 8GB? What was meant in a post in this thread saying Triple Channel RAM is not needed with Sandy Bridge?
Thanks in advance for any explanations/advice

Hello, and welcome to the forums. If you wish, start a new thread here and we can better assist you in finding a good build for your budget. Read and post info from the sticky here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=80121

Then, you will find many helpful people are willing to sort out a great system taylored to you .

 

[coffeejunkee]

My stumbling block is ram. At present I have 12 gig of GSkill 1600 mhz RipJaws 9-
9-9-24 and it's stable and not overclocked. Every 2 or 3 years I become an expert for a few months and
then get back to boring humdrum stuff. The I7 is new to me totally.

My original plan was to stay stock but for some extra I can buy some faster ram. As I said I have nil
experience with I7 and I'm not sure how the faster timing or speed would effect an overclock. My local
puter store has a few sets of faster stuff
G.SKILL Trident Series DDR3 1600MHz 12GB (3x4GB) (F3-12800CL7T-12GBTDD) 7-8-7-24-2n 1.65 volt

Corsair DDR3, 2000MHz 12GB (3x4GB) , 9-10-9-27, XMS3 (CMX12GX3M3A2000C9)

I'm also tempted to ditch the 12 gig and go with 6 gig of mushkin redline. I do amateur photography on a
pretty big scale and 12 gig would certainly be more than enough for lightroom and photoshop PS5. It's my
mad scientist going up against the sensible.


I may have built a pile of puters but what's happening now is new and I'm trying to bring myself up to
speed. I'm clear on the fact that 1066 mhz is fine for stock speeds but I'd like to overclock. I have
been led to believe that 1600 mhz cl7 is ideal. Could someone please set me straight on this.

Thanks for any input

Zap already gave good information on this matter.

Let me try as well:

- At stock, an i7 950 uses a bclk of 133. It has a cpu multiplier of 23, so it has a clockspeed of 133 x 23 = 3059MHz. The ram speed is derived from the bclk as well. It uses a multiplier of 8, so its frequency is 8 x 133 = 1066MHz.

- If you overclock, you increase the bclk. This will make both cpu and ram run faster. Lets say you increased the bclk to 166MHz. Cpu frequency will now be 166 x 23 = 3818MHz and ram frequency will be 166 x 8 = 1333MHz. Similarly, if you increase the bclk to 200, you will need 1600MHz ram (200x8).

- There is another way. If your memory is incapable of running at 1600MHz you can use the lower x6 ram multiplier. This will give you 1200MHz at bclk 200 (or 800 at stock). You can also use a higher ram multiplier which will enable you to run higher ram freq at lower bclk. For instance the x12 multiplier, which will give you 1600MHz ram at stock 133MHz bclk.

I've done quite a few tests on my system comparing memory speed. The difference between 4GHz 1600 9-9-9-24 and 4GHz 1200 8-8-8-22 was pretty much unnoticeable, both in benchmarks and in real life use. Sometimes 1200MHz was faster, no doubt because the tighter timings. Ofcourse, you can use 1600MHz 7-7-7-20 and that would give you some better benchmark scores but the real-life effects would probably still be negligible. The timings are counted in nanoseconds after all...

Ok, now to answer your main question: I would keep the GSkill ram you already have. It's rated to run 1600MHz at 1.5V. 1.5V is the Jedec standard voltage for ddr3 ram. Any ram that uses 1.65V requires you to overclock it yourself in order to run at the rated speed. Nothing wrong with that but I would definitely prefer memory that can run the same speed at lower voltages. Every test shows that for real life usage more ram is always better than faster ram, so don't downgrade to 6GB. Rather upgrade to 24Gb, that will probably shut up the Sandy Bridge fanatics as well

ps. I found this to be a good introduction to i7 overclocking. Except it advises to disable power saving features which I wouldn't recommend for 24/7 oc: http://grafaonline.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1232

 

[WileyCoyoteJr]

Great post ...
More interestingly, which sim is releasing in March? I am a casual FSX'er and just bought wings of prey (which isnt very simulation) however havent heard of any new releases. I have been waiting to here more on Microsoft Flight and would love to hear of a new combat flight sim!

'Wings of Prey' has some nice landscape graphics, but otherwise is no more than a Game Console-type arcadish WWII airplane game, as opposed to a true Flight Sim.

The definitive state-of-the-Art combat flight simulator currently is IL-2 Sturmovik (since 2002 with MANY add-ons, patches, upgrades, mods and improvements since then), which literally drove Microsoft CombatFlightSimulator out of the market. Microsoft dissolved/eliminated its entire Flight Sim Division (combat) about 2-3 years ago.

The new cutting edge advanced 'combat' Flight Sim to be released in March 2011 is now called “IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover”, (previously in development called ‘Strategy of War: Battle of Britain&#8217, the re-use of the IL-2 name being a a HUGE marketing mistake IMHO.

This entirely new Flight Sim has engine/graphics, etc far more advanced than any before, a truly generational leap forward in all aspects of flight physics, graphics, etc etc etc.

In this just released trailer, in another typical marketing disaster/failure, the Distributor UBI did not apply adequate and available Graphics settings (AA, AF, etc,etc) to show the truly "near-photo-realistic" nature of this flight sim and its graphics....but the trailer will give you a taste. Think of hundreds of aircraft simultaneously airborne over a huge 'map'...it's gonna take some serious computin' power...is that RAM, CPU, Graphics card...I dunno.

http://www.youtube.com/v/MO35o8IRDz0&hl

 

[WileyCoyoteJr]

...
Every test shows that for real life usage more ram is always better than faster ram, so don't downgrade to 6GB. Rather upgrade to 24Gb, that will probably shut up the Sandy Bridge fanatics as well

...

Okay...this is a good example of something going across WAY over my head.

Are you saying going to 12 GB instead of staying at 8GB (in my case) would somehow be anti-Sandy??? I don't understand, literally, why going to 12 GB RAM or theoretically higher would somehow 'shut up' Sandy fans???

Seriously, I'm just trying to understand...

 

[Davidh373]

I really can't say what he's talking about. I would get Sandy Bridge for a build these days. 24GB RAM is ridiculous overkill BTW. In any games 4GB RAM is plenty. Getting $500 worth of ram is stupid.

 

[Slimline]

'Wings of Prey' has some nice landscape graphics, but otherwise is no more than a Game Console-type arcadish WWII airplane game, as opposed to a true Flight Sim.

The definitive state-of-the-Art combat flight simulator currently is IL-2 Sturmovik (since 2002 with MANY add-ons, patches, upgrades, mods and improvements since then), which literally drove Microsoft CombatFlightSimulator out of the market. Microsoft dissolved/eliminated its entire Flight Sim Division (combat) about 2-3 years ago.

The new cutting edge advanced 'combat' Flight Sim to be released in March 2011 is now called “IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover”, (previously in development called ‘Strategy of War: Battle of Britain’), the re-use of the IL-2 name being a a HUGE marketing mistake IMHO.

This entirely new Flight Sim has engine/graphics, etc far more advanced than any before, a truly generational leap forward in all aspects of flight physics, graphics, etc etc etc.

In this just released trailer, in another typical marketing disaster/failure, the Distributor UBI did not apply adequate and available Graphics settings (AA, AF, etc,etc) to show the truly "near-photo-realistic" nature of this flight sim and its graphics....but the trailer will give you a taste. Think of hundreds of aircraft simultaneously airborne over a huge 'map'...it's gonna take some serious computin' power...is that RAM, CPU, Graphics card...I dunno.

http://www.youtube.com/v/MO35o8IRDz0&hl

I have heard fantastic things about il-2 but unfortunately have not tried it. I fell off the airplane sim wagon for a while when I could no longer use my sidewinder forcefeedback pro when I upgraded to vista. Just last month did I get a new stick and have jumped back in full force. I was going to get a hotas x but none were in stock so I picked up a saitek aviator for a great price. To be honest I really like the stick and the dual throttle/flaps is nice.

That cliffs of Dover looks fantastic! I'll surely be buying that when it
Releases. I hope the 5850 I just bought can handle it:S

 

[mv2devnull]

Okay...this is a good example of something going across WAY over my head.

Are you saying going to 12 GB instead of staying at 8GB (in my case) would somehow be anti-Sandy??? I don't understand, literally, why going to 12 GB RAM or theoretically higher would somehow 'shut up' Sandy fans???

Seriously, I'm just trying to understand...

Coffeejunkee was replying to beaser (although beaser did post ages ago). Beaser did consider reducing his RAM from 12GB to (faster) 6GB. However, the benefit of faster RAM tends to be rather marginal and thus not proportional to the higher price.

Having more RAM has varying returns as well. There is a limit on how much programs do use RAM. The limit is quite clear on 32-bit applications on Windows. But the OS does use the surplus RAM, particularly for caching/prefetch/whatever it is called. Thus, it does depend on use, how much RAM is "enough". IIRC, tomshardware had an article about that recently.

As such, there is no i7-9xx vs Sandy angle on that.

Note:
i7-9xx (LGA1366) line does support triple-channel memory. Therefore, 3GB, 6GB, 12GB, or 24GB do fill its channels evenly.
LGA1155 and LGA1156 are a dual-channel systems. 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB, or 32GB are the logical configurations.

 

[Aristotelian]

Not very friendly! Be happy and help others. i've built sytems since the mid eighties and every 2 years i get back into it and refresh my knowledge. I can never remember this site being this petty and vendictive. Hang your heads in shame!

It's an internet forum: go figure.

 

[coffeejunkee]

Okay...this is a good example of something going across WAY over my head.

Are you saying going to 12 GB instead of staying at 8GB (in my case) would somehow be anti-Sandy??? I don't understand, literally, why going to 12 GB RAM or theoretically higher would somehow 'shut up' Sandy fans???

Seriously, I'm just trying to understand...

My post was an attempt to stay on-topic, but maybe this is not the right place for that. mv2devnull has the correct understanding.

I really can't say what he's talking about. I would get Sandy Bridge for a build these days. 24GB RAM is ridiculous overkill BTW. In any games 4GB RAM is plenty. Getting $500 worth of ram is stupid.

Did you notice the smiley? I was serious about the 6GB though, you want more not less ram for photo editting. Gaming has nothing to do with this so why mention it? Don't get me wrong, I would get SB as well. But TS already bought everything. You really want him to sell his brand new stuff at a pretty big loss and switch to SB? Well, maybe it's not a bad idea, he'd might make up for it on his powerbill.

 

[Davidh373]

Did you notice the smiley? I was serious about the 6GB though, you want more not less ram for photo editting. Gaming has nothing to do with this so why mention it? Don't get me wrong, I would get SB as well. But TS already bought everything. You really want him to sell his brand new stuff at a pretty big loss and switch to SB? Well, maybe it's not a bad idea, he'd might make up for it on his powerbill.

I thought you were replying to Wiley. The OP was more than 3 weeks ago and thusly returning the 9xx is not possible anymore, but he would have still saved money considering shipping on the 950/ mobo would likely be under $20 and he would save $100+ buying SB. Choosing the 950 at this stage in the game was VERY stupid. I feel no shame in making that obvious to everyone. The OP bought his hardware less than a week before SB, and he could be getting 980X performance for $100 less right now.

 

[WileyCoyoteJr]

I have heard fantastic things about il-2 but unfortunately have not tried it...

That cliffs of Dover looks fantastic! I'll surely be buying that when it
Releases.

Not to hijack this thread, but just to close the loop with Slimline on flightsim subject:

Note that the new Cliffs of Dover Flight Sim will initially only provide Battle of Britain...roughly August through November 1940, only over a map of Southeast UK and Channel, and with only a limited set of aircraft types, about a dozen. Of course all will be at state-of-the-art advanced near photo-realistic graphics, fantastically detailed maps, flight physics, artificial intelligence, etc etc.

IL-2, on the other hand, the engine for which was first created back in 2001, provides Worldwide WWII coverage, 1940-46, all theaters (Eastern front, Pacific, North africa, Med, etc), many hundreds of flyable aircraft types, etc etc etc. It's worth installing, with all updates, patches and Mods. The Mods even provide Korean War jets, maps, etc as well.

If you'd like to get back in the cockpit before Cliffs of Dover is released, here's how:
Follow steps here:
http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=584 BUT, Follow only the first three steps (Patch 1 through 3, NOT 4) if you want all the marvelous hundreds of MODs made by third party folks over past 2-3 years…in my opinion a definite Must Have. The Mods include scores of additional modified flyable aircraft, hundreds of skins, many scores of new maps, Special Effects, graphics improvements, Sound, etc etc etc…
After patching to 4.08, patch to 4.09, then install on top of that UltraPack 2.01. UP2.01 has Huge needed/desired mods, FAR beyond what you’ll get just putting 4.10 over 4.09.

This post tells you all you need to know about features of UP2.01, and download links (use the torrent method); install UP 2.01: http://ultrapack.il2war.com/index.php/topic,1536.0.html
Patch 4.10 was just released and is incompatible with UP2.01. UP2.01 will be soon patched to UP2.XX which can then be installed over 4.10.
The reason for all the above is that Maddox 1C (creator of IL-2) has refused over the years to recognize the wonderful MODs by third party types.

P.S. you'll also need to buy Track IR 5.0 hardware/software. You really can't FLY without it.

 

[coffeejunkee]

I thought you were replying to Wiley. The OP was more than 3 weeks ago and thusly returning the 9xx is not possible anymore, but he would have still saved money considering shipping on the 950/ mobo would likely be under $20 and he would save $100+ buying SB. Choosing the 950 at this stage in the game was VERY stupid. I feel no shame in making that obvious to everyone. The OP bought his hardware less than a week before SB, and he could be getting 980X performance for $100 less right now.

Well I have no illusions, I don't think OP will actually come back to this thread. But you never know and the comment about 'petty' didn't sit well with me. At the most maybe someday someone who is asking himself if he needs faster or more ram will stumble into my post with the help of Google powers and have his question answered.

Anyways, sorry for the disturbance, feel free to chat as much as you wish. It's a fairly inconspicuous corner of the internet after all

 

[aviat72]

One caveat about memory benchmarks. Most of them measure the performance over a period of time. Very few measure instantaneous performance (it is hard to measure). The only place instantaneous performance shows up is in the extreme gaming examples where faster RAM may gave 5% faster frame rates.

However if you want the most reactive PC especially for doing real-time processing (like trading), faster RAM will help in improving instantaneous performance. Of course whether it is worth or not is a function of your risk reward curve and the rest of the system. Shaving off 10 microseconds on the system while your network has a 20ms extra latency is useless.

 

[exar333]

One caveat about memory benchmarks. Most of them measure the performance over a period of time. Very few measure instantaneous performance (it is hard to measure). The only place instantaneous performance shows up is in the extreme gaming examples where faster RAM may gave 5% faster frame rates.

However if you want the most reactive PC especially for doing real-time processing (like trading), faster RAM will help in improving instantaneous performance. Of course whether it is worth or not is a function of your risk reward curve and the rest of the system. Shaving off 10 microseconds on the system while your network has a 20ms extra latency is useless.

Please link to where memory gives 5% more fps. I would be VERY interested to see that proof.

 

[tom.etc]

according to moore, someday the threads will be trolled by those we will not be able to distinguish as human and machine. clearly not an existentialist. i'm gonna go setup a ti99/4a webserver on a 110baud modem making fun of him. =p JUST KIDDING DO NOT COME AND MURDER EVERYONE I KNOW BECAUSE soemthing isn't the fastest by 2 seconds