Will there be a billion 'new Barcelona build" thread by next week?

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Brunnis

Originally posted by: classy
To you or me it makes sense, but the reality is most folks understand plain numbers. A classic question IT folks like myself and others get is what should I buy? If you tell a person buy something because its 20% faster they don't understand how that translates to numbers. But if you say that a 2.3g of one brand is slower than a 2g of another brand, that they can understand. Just this past week my nephew was getting ready for college and he was looking at laptops. He assumed that mhz was mhz. But when I quickly said a core2 is faster at a slower mhz and gave him some guidelines he quickly understood that. You and I understand percentages, but lay folks don't.

Someone who doesn't understand what it means when X is 20% faster than Y should really think about joining up with the kids in 9th grade. Really. Percentages aren't some sort of "special knowledge". It's taught in junior high, used in everyday situations and something you're expected to know.

Think of how computer illiterate the average person is.

50% of computer users are dumber than that guy.

Wouldn't that be the median? Think of computer illiterate the median person is and 50% of people are more illiterate. Been awhile since statistics.

Average also means "middle of the pack".

 

[NoSoup4You]

Average people think of Mhz as horsepower, but the Anandtech forums are not filled with average people. Talking silliness like Barcelona is 300mhz faster than C2D on the AT forums is heresy.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: NoSoup4You
Average people think of Mhz as horsepower, but the Anandtech forums are not filled with average people. Talking silliness like Barcelona is 300mhz faster than C2D on the AT forums is heresy.

Quick! Burn him at the stake! :evil:

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: NoSoup4You
Average people think of Mhz as horsepower, but the Anandtech forums are not filled with average people. Talking silliness like Barcelona is 300mhz faster than C2D on the AT forums is heresy.

Trust me these forums are filled with average people

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Brunnis

Originally posted by: classy
To you or me it makes sense, but the reality is most folks understand plain numbers. A classic question IT folks like myself and others get is what should I buy? If you tell a person buy something because its 20% faster they don't understand how that translates to numbers. But if you say that a 2.3g of one brand is slower than a 2g of another brand, that they can understand. Just this past week my nephew was getting ready for college and he was looking at laptops. He assumed that mhz was mhz. But when I quickly said a core2 is faster at a slower mhz and gave him some guidelines he quickly understood that. You and I understand percentages, but lay folks don't.

Someone who doesn't understand what it means when X is 20% faster than Y should really think about joining up with the kids in 9th grade. Really. Percentages aren't some sort of "special knowledge". It's taught in junior high, used in everyday situations and something you're expected to know.

Think of how computer illiterate the average person is.

50% of computer users are dumber than that guy.

Eh, well look at all the advertisements for everything from toothpaste to insurance, that use % to describe advantages/savings/etc. If someone doesn't understand that X is 20% faster than Y, then they won't understand that X is 300mhz faster than Y either. As a matter of fact, they probably can't pour piss out of a boot while looking at the bottom of the boot.

LOL

What a joke. When people buy computers all they see is mhz. To the average person they don't understand the difference. So I can give a percentage all day, but the average person will not see a percentage ad. So the only way to telll a person correctly is take the percentage and translate it to a real number. Product a is faster than product b by certain amount of mhz. You can't tell a person to shop by a percentage because they don't advertise computers that way. And I think being as though I worked as a tech in 10K person domain and now a 2.5K domain, I think a know a lil how to explain to an average person how to shop.

Yeah yeah, actually those domains are puny compared to EDS and Ernst & Young, but I digress.

People don't go by Mhz all the time anymore either. If anything, the marketing of dual-core, model numbers, etc, has got people generally confused.

Also it would be absolutely retarded to send someone shopping by telling them that they should look for a percentage. That's the wrong way to explain things. The right way is to first, tell them what to avoid (Celeron/Sempron, unless budget is just microscopic), and then what to look for (AMD X2, C2D, etc), along with an explanation of general equivalencies (E6600 ~ 6000+ X2, etc). Explaining that model X is 20% faster than model Y at the same Mhz just tells them that they need to do their homework before dropping the bucks for the product. Most people really aren't THAT dumb, they just haven't spend the time we have researching things and being involved with the industry. How much do you or I know about 14th century Chinese art? Probably not much, does that make us dumber than someone who deals with it daily? NO. Just differing areas of expertise.

excellent.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: NoSoup4You
Average people think of Mhz as horsepower, but the Anandtech forums are not filled with average people. Talking silliness like Barcelona is 300mhz faster than C2D on the AT forums is heresy.

that's funny, gary key actually said yesterday in another thread that barc would even with clovertown in some benchmarks and 20 + (with stress on the +) better in others. I think that would equate to around a 15 % or greater clock advantage overall, and he's more qualified than all of us put together right now to comment.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: NoSoup4You
Average people think of Mhz as horsepower, but the Anandtech forums are not filled with average people. Talking silliness like Barcelona is 300mhz faster than C2D on the AT forums is heresy.

that's funny, gary key actually said yesterday in another thread that barc would even with clovertown in some benchmarks and 20 + (with stress on the +) better in others. I think that would equate to around a 15 % or greater clock advantage overall, and he's more qualified than all of us put together right now to comment.

Sounds reasonable to me, and promising if they can ramp up quickly enough I wager a 3Ghz Phenom would give Intel something to worry about, and raise AMD's ASP to profitable margins to boot.

 

[Pabster]

No, but I do predict a fanboy explosion.

 

[bryanW1995]

no fanboy explosion, but you might seem some of the amd fans come out of hiding at least. At least that will give nemesis and some of his intel fanboy brethren someone to argue with...

 

[renethx]

From our friends in the industry, it is said that small quantities of Phenom processors should be available on sale as early as October.

There is no mentioning of the model and the price and exact availability date.
Looks like we will have to wait.

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/....php?%20threadid=67137

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: NoSoup4You
I think most enthusiasts considering a new rig will wait for Phenom...

Yeap. Not unless you're running a server or some high end software for a "workstation".

Gamers and media buffs will want to wait until they get a faster clocked Phenom (which will likely be a lot cheaper).

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Pabster
No, but I do predict a fanboy explosion.

And proud of it. Currently enjoying my 2.8Ghz X2 for 150 dollars and hope to plop in a 2.4 GHz Phenom by next year.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: classy
I think you'll see the standard amount of threads and buzz. I think that barcy will have about a 300 mhz advantage over core2. I know I am waiting to see. I am going to build another 2-3 year pc soon. I skipped the whole AMD 64 reign, but this time a I may not. I have a 3.4 gallatin and a 6300@2.8, but every couple of years I put together a top notch pc. So I want to see the whole picture.

I think you're confusing things a bit. "300mhz advantage over core2"?

(1)- I think you may be inferring to a clock-for-clock, instead of Mhz, advantage over Core2, as it's very unlikely that a 3+Ghz Barcelona will pop out anytime soon

(2)- Unless Barcelona has a 30+% IPC advantage, there's no point for the desktop users. 2/4/8-socket high-end workstation/light/medium servers should see a good advantage though. HyperTransport > FSB

(3)- Nachos

I don't think there is much doubt in my mind, based on many of the hints from around the net that barcelona is faster without question than core2. I am just saying I think it will take a 2.3g core2 to equal a 2g barcelona, which makes it about 15% faster.

Say what you have to be kidding me.....right?
Thats a server grade CPU it will not even compete with anything Intel has out at this moment....


Can you link us to those KNOWLEDGEABLE hints from around the internet??

thx

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: NoSoup4You
Average people think of Mhz as horsepower, but the Anandtech forums are not filled with average people. Talking silliness like Barcelona is 300mhz faster than C2D on the AT forums is heresy.

that's funny, gary key actually said yesterday in another thread that barc would even with clovertown in some benchmarks and 20 + (with stress on the +) better in others. I think that would equate to around a 15 % or greater clock advantage overall, and he's more qualified than all of us put together right now to comment.

Gary Key is a freaking joke.....links please that point to somebody who is unbias....

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[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: Pabster
No, but I do predict a fanboy explosion.

Yep, some 'fanboys' will appear.

But mostly what I see is a lot of good discussion, from a lot of intelligent people, with differing opinions. :thumbsup:

I thought that's what discussion boards were for.

 

[Brunnis]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Say what you have to be kidding me.....right?
Thats a server grade CPU it will not even compete with anything Intel has out at this moment....

Not this discussion again... It's the same core that is used for both the server and desktop parts. It's just like the current Athlon64/Opteron models. So Barcelona will compete with desktop Core 2, but under a different name.

That said, I'm not as confident in Barcelona as classy is. Integer performance is probably the most important part of processor performance these days and it's been indicated that Barcelona can only match Core 2, but not really beat it. I'm not surprised if it turns out like this, since I never really expected Barcelona to beat Core 2 in integer performance. I would, however, appreciate it if AMD suprises me.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Gary Key is a freaking joke.....links please that point to somebody who is unbias....

Huh? The guy reviews motherboards for a living on of the most respected hardware sites on the Net and you think he's a joke?

 

[bryanW1995]

It appears that yoda has turned to the dark side...

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: renethx

From our friends in the industry, it is said that small quantities of Phenom processors should be available on sale as early as October.

There is no mentioning of the model and the price and exact availability date.
Looks like we will have to wait.

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/....php?%20threadid=67137

that is from june 9. Not current info at all.