Will the U.S. attack Iran in 2005-2006?

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Martin
I doubt it. They refuse to back the Europeans up in their negotiations, they don't want to negotiate with Iran directly, Rice (IIRC) said they don't want to attack.

They seem to be just sitting around doing nothing...

Exactly. Sitting around, expecting Iran to scrap their nuclear program and bring them the remains on a silver platter OR waiting till the perfect conditions arise to stir up the masses in favour of an unnecessary war. This is exactly what I fear is going to happen. Why? Because nothing short of a significant military operation can destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities. Every minute the U.S. waits, Iran moves on steadily with its program. This, frankly, is unacceptable and quite chafing for the warmongers in the administration: Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld etc.

I believe that Iran has every right to build and strengthen its nuclear program; weapons or otherwise. If Israel is allowed to possess nuclear weapons, then Iran is certainly entitled to as well. I see Israel as the rogue nation of the middle east, contrary to popular belief here and elsewhere.

Originally posted by: d3n
My guess is that the administration is hoping for a popular uprising in Iran from the young demographic that is not as inline with the Islamic leadership currently in office.

I doubt it will ever go that far but if all goes well in Iraq this will ratchet up the pressure on the current Iranian goverment to make some moderate concesions to put it more in line with Turkey for instance and alow more civil liberties.

I couldn't have put it more succintly. However, the Iranian people have seen, with this latest war in Iraq, what happens when American help is requested or imposed. I doubt that the youth/student populace will go as far in voicing their dissent as to create the level of turmoil that encourages or enables other nations to take advantage of the situation.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iraqi fighter jets were not hid in Iran. They deflected to Iran and Iran never gave Saddam back any of his weapons. If they went to Iran because Iran was supposed to keep them for Saddam then why didn't they give them back?

Where is your evidence that Iran is supporting terror? There is no hard evidence. It is like me saying the U.S has a UFO in area 51. There is no hard evidence.

The Saddam regime was a Sunni regime that brutalized the Shias. Iran is a Shia regime. The people are close, but this article was talking about Saddam people working with Iranian people.

Who said Iran's weapons are not domestic? Iran makes most of their own weapons. We are not talking about Submarines, Jets, Tanks. If those things were to go inside Iraq I am sure you would spot them. I am taking about RPGS and guns and bomb materials. Also if you have any knowledge on Iranian tanks, jets please share because that information is not available to anyone.

Evidence is evidence. I and others have presented enough evidence that Iran is definately the key backer of terror in Iraq. Why are you denying it?

All the defense analysts, experts, politicians, CIA, Iraqis themselves ... all of them are pointing to Iran as the chief sponsor of terror in Iraq. You are dismissing everybody and claiming your opinion to be fact.

Iran has old Soviet tanks. Same goes for its jets, might be even some French types in there. Also Iran might be producing light arms now themselves now, but those weapons are not Iranian, by means of indigenous. I'm not sure but Iran might have F-5's or F-4's

But many countries produce light weapons locally. Many Mid Eastern countries even make guns themselves, thats not saying much

Iran is probably the 2nd most powerful country in the Middle East in terms of military power, only second to Israel.

But again, Egypt has a powerful military as well, so its a close fight for 2nd place in the mid east

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Thanks everyone for your comments. And of course, what thread is complete without an Aimster vs. raildogg mouthoff.

 

[BBond]

U.S.-Israel plan to strike Irans nuclear sites finalized

Experts from the U.S. Defense Department, the Pentagon and Israel have put final touches to a plan to launch a military strike targeting Iran?s nuclear facilities, experts at the European Commission based in Brussels, revealed on Sunday.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

Why Afghanistan? Where do they come in? Does Pakistan come in as well because its Afghanistan's neighbor?

Iran is not going to overtly attack anybody soon, it does not have the military capability of doing so. But it certainly has done a great job in assymetrical warfare. It is by far the bigger sponsor of terror worldwide, although in recent years its focus has been to cause trouble in Iraq.


If Iran does decide to attack another nation, it will launch its own attack against Israel first before it targets USA, if it ever does. And if it does, it certainly won't be good news for Iran. Iran certainly does not a capable air force of carrying out such attacks. We don't know how operational its medium range missles are, but that is determined whether China and North Korea can deliver the goods to them on time.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BBond
U.S.-Israel plan to strike Irans nuclear sites finalized

Experts from the U.S. Defense Department, the Pentagon and Israel have put final touches to a plan to launch a military strike targeting Iran?s nuclear facilities, experts at the European Commission based in Brussels, revealed on Sunday.

Ah those Americans and their Jewish brothers -- the evil twins. Har har har

Al-Jazeera certainly are not good at bold headlines, now aren't they?

Some "toned down" news from the Kazakh's Text

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iraqi fighter jets were not hid in Iran. They deflected to Iran and Iran never gave Saddam back any of his weapons. If they went to Iran because Iran was supposed to keep them for Saddam then why didn't they give them back?

Where is your evidence that Iran is supporting terror? There is no hard evidence. It is like me saying the U.S has a UFO in area 51. There is no hard evidence.

The Saddam regime was a Sunni regime that brutalized the Shias. Iran is a Shia regime. The people are close, but this article was talking about Saddam people working with Iranian people.

Who said Iran's weapons are not domestic? Iran makes most of their own weapons. We are not talking about Submarines, Jets, Tanks. If those things were to go inside Iraq I am sure you would spot them. I am taking about RPGS and guns and bomb materials. Also if you have any knowledge on Iranian tanks, jets please share because that information is not available to anyone.

Evidence is evidence. I and others have presented enough evidence that Iran is definately the key backer of terror in Iraq. Why are you denying it?

All the defense analysts, experts, politicians, CIA, Iraqis themselves ... all of them are pointing to Iran as the chief sponsor of terror in Iraq. You are dismissing everybody and claiming your opinion to be fact.

Iran has old Soviet tanks. Same goes for its jets, might be even some French types in there. Also Iran might be producing light arms now themselves now, but those weapons are not Iranian, by means of indigenous. I'm not sure but Iran might have F-5's or F-4's

But many countries produce light weapons locally. Many Mid Eastern countries even make guns themselves, thats not saying much

Iran is probably the 2nd most powerful country in the Middle East in terms of military power, only second to Israel.

But again, Egypt has a powerful military as well, so its a close fight for 2nd place in the mid east

All the defense people are saying Iran is sending money to influence the elctions. There is no evidence that Iran has given anything to the insurgents. If there is evidence then present it. You haven't presented me with anything and you are just giving me your word.

Who said Iran doesn't produce their own jets/tanks/helicopters? Iran produces more than light arms and if you want pictures of their weapons I will post them in this thread. I don't care how they came across the technology, they produce it themselves.

As far as what Iran has there is no solid evidence what Iran has. Their military is very secret.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

Why Afghanistan? Where do they come in? Does Pakistan come in as well because its Afghanistan's neighbor?

Iran is not going to overtly attack anybody soon, it does not have the military capability of doing so. But it certainly has done a great job in assymetrical warfare. It is by far the bigger sponsor of terror worldwide, although in recent years its focus has been to cause trouble in Iraq.


If Iran does decide to attack another nation, it will launch its own attack against Israel first before it targets USA, if it ever does. And if it does, it certainly won't be good news for Iran. Iran certainly does not a capable air force of carrying out such attacks. We don't know how operational its medium range missles are, but that is determined whether China and North Korea can deliver the goods to them on time.

Uhm maybe because U.S troops are in Afghanistan???
What makes you think Iran doesn't have the artillery capable of reaching Afghanistan/Iraq/Israel? Hezbollah has 15,000 rockets/missiles capable of hitting Israel.

Iran doesn't buy missiles from North Korean and China. They produce their own. They do not need a ship of missiles to come to Iran for them to build missiles.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iraqi fighter jets were not hid in Iran. They deflected to Iran and Iran never gave Saddam back any of his weapons. If they went to Iran because Iran was supposed to keep them for Saddam then why didn't they give them back?

Where is your evidence that Iran is supporting terror? There is no hard evidence. It is like me saying the U.S has a UFO in area 51. There is no hard evidence.

The Saddam regime was a Sunni regime that brutalized the Shias. Iran is a Shia regime. The people are close, but this article was talking about Saddam people working with Iranian people.

Who said Iran's weapons are not domestic? Iran makes most of their own weapons. We are not talking about Submarines, Jets, Tanks. If those things were to go inside Iraq I am sure you would spot them. I am taking about RPGS and guns and bomb materials. Also if you have any knowledge on Iranian tanks, jets please share because that information is not available to anyone.

Evidence is evidence. I and others have presented enough evidence that Iran is definately the key backer of terror in Iraq. Why are you denying it?

All the defense analysts, experts, politicians, CIA, Iraqis themselves ... all of them are pointing to Iran as the chief sponsor of terror in Iraq. You are dismissing everybody and claiming your opinion to be fact.

Iran has old Soviet tanks. Same goes for its jets, might be even some French types in there. Also Iran might be producing light arms now themselves now, but those weapons are not Iranian, by means of indigenous. I'm not sure but Iran might have F-5's or F-4's

But many countries produce light weapons locally. Many Mid Eastern countries even make guns themselves, thats not saying much

Iran is probably the 2nd most powerful country in the Middle East in terms of military power, only second to Israel.

But again, Egypt has a powerful military as well, so its a close fight for 2nd place in the mid east

All the defense people are saying Iran is sending money to influence the elctions. There is no evidence that Iran has given anything to the insurgents. If there is evidence then present it. You haven't presented me with anything and you are just giving me your word.

Who said Iran doesn't produce their own jets/tanks/helicopters? Iran produces more than light arms and if you want pictures of their weapons I will post them in this thread. I don't care how they came across the technology, they produce it themselves.

As far as what Iran has there is no solid evidence what Iran has. Their military is very secret.

Oooh secret military ... sounds kind of stealthy ... ahh. Wonder what kind of new, out of this world amazing goodness in behind the shroud .... aahhhhhoohah

Let me take a guess ... Iran is building the next generation, state-of-teh-art raft with built in stealth and a water gun.

We do know much of what Iran has, it showcases it in its military parades. Heck, the Chinese and Russian militaries are more secretive

Don't misinterpret my statement, when I say we know what it has, we really do and I'm not talking about military parades here. Iran produces light arms mainly.

So it got a license from another country to produce helmets locally? A license to modify an old tank? Noone is denying Iran is a powerful country in the Middle East, its one of the most powerful Islamic countries in the world even.

Countries self-sufficient in arms are America, Russia, France and other Old European countries. Well now since much of Europe is part of EU, you can call it a nation if you will. EU is self-sufficient as far as defense needs go.

Outside of these countries, very few nations can produce weapons systems locally. I'm not talking minor military modifications or mass producing rifles and handguns.

Copying other countries missle designs and calling them your own does not make one self-sufficient.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

Why Afghanistan? Where do they come in? Does Pakistan come in as well because its Afghanistan's neighbor?

Iran is not going to overtly attack anybody soon, it does not have the military capability of doing so. But it certainly has done a great job in assymetrical warfare. It is by far the bigger sponsor of terror worldwide, although in recent years its focus has been to cause trouble in Iraq.


If Iran does decide to attack another nation, it will launch its own attack against Israel first before it targets USA, if it ever does. And if it does, it certainly won't be good news for Iran. Iran certainly does not a capable air force of carrying out such attacks. We don't know how operational its medium range missles are, but that is determined whether China and North Korea can deliver the goods to them on time.

Uhm maybe because U.S troops are in Afghanistan???
What makes you think Iran doesn't have the artillery capable of reaching Afghanistan/Iraq/Israel? Hezbollah has 15,000 rockets/missiles capable of hitting Israel.

Iran doesn't buy missiles from North Korean and China. They produce their own. They do not need a ship of missiles to come to Iran for them to build missiles.

Iran's missle designs are North Korean and Chinese design, basically copies. Those 15,000 missles you mentioned are Russian Katushya rockets. Chinese firms have helped Iran significantly develop and design missles and are very similar to the Chinese designs. Again, copies. Maybe you missed it, but US slapped several Chinese companies with sanctions for providing Iran these components.

There may be a bit of a misunderstanding between you and I. When you say Iran produces its own missles do you really mean short range surface to surface missles? Yes it has several types of these and it does make them locally. Many of them are Russian designs, like the Scub copies and katushya's

There are plenty of European troops in Afghanistan, I believe even more so than Americans at the moment. Iran won't attack Afghanistan? Whats the point?

Iran is going to attack nobody, all its going to do is sponsor terrorism, which it has been doing for the past 2 decades.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iraqi fighter jets were not hid in Iran. They deflected to Iran and Iran never gave Saddam back any of his weapons. If they went to Iran because Iran was supposed to keep them for Saddam then why didn't they give them back?

Where is your evidence that Iran is supporting terror? There is no hard evidence. It is like me saying the U.S has a UFO in area 51. There is no hard evidence.

The Saddam regime was a Sunni regime that brutalized the Shias. Iran is a Shia regime. The people are close, but this article was talking about Saddam people working with Iranian people.

Who said Iran's weapons are not domestic? Iran makes most of their own weapons. We are not talking about Submarines, Jets, Tanks. If those things were to go inside Iraq I am sure you would spot them. I am taking about RPGS and guns and bomb materials. Also if you have any knowledge on Iranian tanks, jets please share because that information is not available to anyone.

Evidence is evidence. I and others have presented enough evidence that Iran is definately the key backer of terror in Iraq. Why are you denying it?

All the defense analysts, experts, politicians, CIA, Iraqis themselves ... all of them are pointing to Iran as the chief sponsor of terror in Iraq. You are dismissing everybody and claiming your opinion to be fact.

Iran has old Soviet tanks. Same goes for its jets, might be even some French types in there. Also Iran might be producing light arms now themselves now, but those weapons are not Iranian, by means of indigenous. I'm not sure but Iran might have F-5's or F-4's

But many countries produce light weapons locally. Many Mid Eastern countries even make guns themselves, thats not saying much

Iran is probably the 2nd most powerful country in the Middle East in terms of military power, only second to Israel.

But again, Egypt has a powerful military as well, so its a close fight for 2nd place in the mid east

All the defense people are saying Iran is sending money to influence the elctions. There is no evidence that Iran has given anything to the insurgents. If there is evidence then present it. You haven't presented me with anything and you are just giving me your word.

Who said Iran doesn't produce their own jets/tanks/helicopters? Iran produces more than light arms and if you want pictures of their weapons I will post them in this thread. I don't care how they came across the technology, they produce it themselves.

As far as what Iran has there is no solid evidence what Iran has. Their military is very secret.

Oooh secret military ... sounds kind of stealthy ... ahh. Wonder what kind of new, out of this world amazing goodness in behind the shroud .... aahhhhhoohah

Let me take a guess ... Iran is building the next generation, state-of-teh-art raft with built in stealth and a water gun.

We do know much of what Iran has, it showcases it in its military parades. Heck, the Chinese and Russian militaries are more secretive

Don't misinterpret my statement, when I say we know what it has, we really do and I'm not talking about military parades here. Iran produces light arms mainly.

So it got a license from another country to produce helmets locally? A license to modify an old tank? Noone is denying Iran is a powerful country in the Middle East, its one of the most powerful Islamic countries in the world even.

Countries self-sufficient in arms are America, Russia, France and other Old European countries. Well now since much of Europe is part of EU, you can call it a nation if you will. EU is self-sufficient as far as defense needs go.

Outside of these countries, very few nations can produce weapons systems locally. I'm not talking minor military modifications or mass producing rifles and handguns.

Copying other countries missle designs and calling them your own does not make one self-sufficient.

Who said Iran shows everything off at military parades? All they show off is a bunch of guys marching in the streets and missiles. They have a budget of billions and nobody knows where that money is going.

Nobody gave Iran a license to upgrade their tanks. Nobody gave Iran a license to build missiles or to make small arms. They haven't bought anything in over 10-15 years that would be classified as a large military purchase.

A country is self-sufficient if they can build and create their own weapons. If they have the technology then that is all they need. They might not have come up with the idea, but if they can create and upgrade the technology then they do not need to rely on anyone else to buy weapons.

Iran might build their own tanks, helicopters, jets that are copies of western designs, but the point is they build it themselves.

They build enough weapons to be able to reach U.S bases in Afghanistan/Iraq. That was my point.

 

[Aimster]

I'll show you what Iran makes and you can comment on them. They copied a bunch of Russian/U.S/Chinese weapons and mass-produced them or made their own versions with better range.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iraqi fighter jets were not hid in Iran. They deflected to Iran and Iran never gave Saddam back any of his weapons. If they went to Iran because Iran was supposed to keep them for Saddam then why didn't they give them back?

Where is your evidence that Iran is supporting terror? There is no hard evidence. It is like me saying the U.S has a UFO in area 51. There is no hard evidence.

The Saddam regime was a Sunni regime that brutalized the Shias. Iran is a Shia regime. The people are close, but this article was talking about Saddam people working with Iranian people.

Who said Iran's weapons are not domestic? Iran makes most of their own weapons. We are not talking about Submarines, Jets, Tanks. If those things were to go inside Iraq I am sure you would spot them. I am taking about RPGS and guns and bomb materials. Also if you have any knowledge on Iranian tanks, jets please share because that information is not available to anyone.

Evidence is evidence. I and others have presented enough evidence that Iran is definately the key backer of terror in Iraq. Why are you denying it?

All the defense analysts, experts, politicians, CIA, Iraqis themselves ... all of them are pointing to Iran as the chief sponsor of terror in Iraq. You are dismissing everybody and claiming your opinion to be fact.

Iran has old Soviet tanks. Same goes for its jets, might be even some French types in there. Also Iran might be producing light arms now themselves now, but those weapons are not Iranian, by means of indigenous. I'm not sure but Iran might have F-5's or F-4's

But many countries produce light weapons locally. Many Mid Eastern countries even make guns themselves, thats not saying much

Iran is probably the 2nd most powerful country in the Middle East in terms of military power, only second to Israel.

But again, Egypt has a powerful military as well, so its a close fight for 2nd place in the mid east

All the defense people are saying Iran is sending money to influence the elctions. There is no evidence that Iran has given anything to the insurgents. If there is evidence then present it. You haven't presented me with anything and you are just giving me your word.

Who said Iran doesn't produce their own jets/tanks/helicopters? Iran produces more than light arms and if you want pictures of their weapons I will post them in this thread. I don't care how they came across the technology, they produce it themselves.

As far as what Iran has there is no solid evidence what Iran has. Their military is very secret.

Oooh secret military ... sounds kind of stealthy ... ahh. Wonder what kind of new, out of this world amazing goodness in behind the shroud .... aahhhhhoohah

Let me take a guess ... Iran is building the next generation, state-of-teh-art raft with built in stealth and a water gun.

We do know much of what Iran has, it showcases it in its military parades. Heck, the Chinese and Russian militaries are more secretive

Don't misinterpret my statement, when I say we know what it has, we really do and I'm not talking about military parades here. Iran produces light arms mainly.

So it got a license from another country to produce helmets locally? A license to modify an old tank? Noone is denying Iran is a powerful country in the Middle East, its one of the most powerful Islamic countries in the world even.

Countries self-sufficient in arms are America, Russia, France and other Old European countries. Well now since much of Europe is part of EU, you can call it a nation if you will. EU is self-sufficient as far as defense needs go.

Outside of these countries, very few nations can produce weapons systems locally. I'm not talking minor military modifications or mass producing rifles and handguns.

Copying other countries missle designs and calling them your own does not make one self-sufficient.

Who said Iran shows everything off at military parades? All they show off is a bunch of guys marching in the streets and missiles. They have a budget of billions and nobody knows where that money is going.

Nobody gave Iran a license to upgrade their tanks. Nobody gave Iran a license to build missiles or to make small arms. They haven't bought anything in over 10-15 years that would be classified as a large military purchase.

A country is self-sufficient if they can build and create their own weapons. If they have the technology then that is all they need. They might not have come up with the idea, but if they can create and upgrade the technology then they do not need to rely on anyone else to buy weapons.

Iran might build their own tanks, helicopters, jets that are copies of western designs, but the point is they build it themselves.

They build enough weapons to be able to reach U.S bases in Afghanistan/Iraq. That was my point.

Wait, with which weapons are they doing to reach U.S bases in Iran or Afghanistan? Their ancient Soviet tanks? In their F-4's and F-5's?

Iran may have a few T-72's, but I am not sure, but we all know how the T-72's did against the MIA1's. No M1A1 Abrams tank has been ever lost due to attack by a hostile tank. But sadly, the latest Russian anti-tank koronet missle did destroyed several M1A1's in Iraq.

Launching skuds is not going to do much damage as those missles can miss their intended target by miles and noone knows how its medium range missles are doing. But keep in mind, the medium range missles are to counter Israel.

Also, Iran has bought plenty of Chinese missles in the past. CSS 8's and other types of missles

Fine, show me the light arms of Iran that it made indigeniously. Oh and what do you mean by large military purchase?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iraqi fighter jets were not hid in Iran. They deflected to Iran and Iran never gave Saddam back any of his weapons. If they went to Iran because Iran was supposed to keep them for Saddam then why didn't they give them back?

Where is your evidence that Iran is supporting terror? There is no hard evidence. It is like me saying the U.S has a UFO in area 51. There is no hard evidence.

The Saddam regime was a Sunni regime that brutalized the Shias. Iran is a Shia regime. The people are close, but this article was talking about Saddam people working with Iranian people.

Who said Iran's weapons are not domestic? Iran makes most of their own weapons. We are not talking about Submarines, Jets, Tanks. If those things were to go inside Iraq I am sure you would spot them. I am taking about RPGS and guns and bomb materials. Also if you have any knowledge on Iranian tanks, jets please share because that information is not available to anyone.

Evidence is evidence. I and others have presented enough evidence that Iran is definately the key backer of terror in Iraq. Why are you denying it?

All the defense analysts, experts, politicians, CIA, Iraqis themselves ... all of them are pointing to Iran as the chief sponsor of terror in Iraq. You are dismissing everybody and claiming your opinion to be fact.

Iran has old Soviet tanks. Same goes for its jets, might be even some French types in there. Also Iran might be producing light arms now themselves now, but those weapons are not Iranian, by means of indigenous. I'm not sure but Iran might have F-5's or F-4's

But many countries produce light weapons locally. Many Mid Eastern countries even make guns themselves, thats not saying much

Iran is probably the 2nd most powerful country in the Middle East in terms of military power, only second to Israel.

But again, Egypt has a powerful military as well, so its a close fight for 2nd place in the mid east

All the defense people are saying Iran is sending money to influence the elctions. There is no evidence that Iran has given anything to the insurgents. If there is evidence then present it. You haven't presented me with anything and you are just giving me your word.

Who said Iran doesn't produce their own jets/tanks/helicopters? Iran produces more than light arms and if you want pictures of their weapons I will post them in this thread. I don't care how they came across the technology, they produce it themselves.

As far as what Iran has there is no solid evidence what Iran has. Their military is very secret.

Oooh secret military ... sounds kind of stealthy ... ahh. Wonder what kind of new, out of this world amazing goodness in behind the shroud .... aahhhhhoohah

Let me take a guess ... Iran is building the next generation, state-of-teh-art raft with built in stealth and a water gun.

We do know much of what Iran has, it showcases it in its military parades. Heck, the Chinese and Russian militaries are more secretive

Don't misinterpret my statement, when I say we know what it has, we really do and I'm not talking about military parades here. Iran produces light arms mainly.

So it got a license from another country to produce helmets locally? A license to modify an old tank? Noone is denying Iran is a powerful country in the Middle East, its one of the most powerful Islamic countries in the world even.

Countries self-sufficient in arms are America, Russia, France and other Old European countries. Well now since much of Europe is part of EU, you can call it a nation if you will. EU is self-sufficient as far as defense needs go.

Outside of these countries, very few nations can produce weapons systems locally. I'm not talking minor military modifications or mass producing rifles and handguns.

Copying other countries missle designs and calling them your own does not make one self-sufficient.

Who said Iran shows everything off at military parades? All they show off is a bunch of guys marching in the streets and missiles. They have a budget of billions and nobody knows where that money is going.

Nobody gave Iran a license to upgrade their tanks. Nobody gave Iran a license to build missiles or to make small arms. They haven't bought anything in over 10-15 years that would be classified as a large military purchase.

A country is self-sufficient if they can build and create their own weapons. If they have the technology then that is all they need. They might not have come up with the idea, but if they can create and upgrade the technology then they do not need to rely on anyone else to buy weapons.

Iran might build their own tanks, helicopters, jets that are copies of western designs, but the point is they build it themselves.

They build enough weapons to be able to reach U.S bases in Afghanistan/Iraq. That was my point.

Wait, with which weapons are they doing to reach U.S bases in Iran or Afghanistan? Their ancient Soviet tanks? In their F-4's and F-5's?

Iran may have a few T-72's, but I am not sure, but we all know how the T-72's did against the MIA1's. No M1A1 Abrams tank has been ever lost due to attack by a hostile tank. But sadly, the latest Russian anti-tank koronet missle did destroyed several M1A1's in Iraq.

Launching skuds is not going to do much damage as those missles can miss their intended target by miles and noone knows how its medium range missles are doing. But keep in mind, the medium range missles are to counter Israel.

Also, Iran has bought plenty of Chinese missles in the past. CSS 8's and other types of missles

Fine, show me the light arms of Iran that it made indigeniously. Oh and what do you mean by large military purchase?

Who said you need F-5s to launch missiles/artillery into Iraq? Iran has a large collection of small-range missiles. They reversed engineered a lot of what they had and mass produced it. They can reach anywhere in Iraq from Iran. It is rumored that Iran gased the Kurds in Iraq and not Saddam.

Large purchases such as Jets,Tanks,. Iran hasn't purchased anything in a long time and does not plan on doing it. Yet their military budget is high.

Iran doesn't have any upgraded T-72s. They make T-55 body-style tanks with upgrade armor, gun. If you want to call that T-72 status, fine.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

Wow, what a great World War that can rival WW1 or WW2. This would be a rather pathetic war resulting in Iran getting slapped around.

It seems that you have illusions of grandeur concerning Iran and its ability to actually withstand a US attack. Iran would get destroyed in such a conflict and it would not be anything like a 'World War'.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Oooh secret military ... sounds kind of stealthy ... ahh. Wonder what kind of new, out of this world amazing goodness in behind the shroud .... aahhhhhoohah

Yes, Iran is a military superpower and it will destroy the United States with its high tech weaponry!

Hilarious!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

Wow, what a great World War that can rival WW1 or WW2. This would be a rather pathetic war resulting in Iran getting slapped around.

It seems that you have illusions of grandeur concerning Iran and its ability to actually withstand a US attack. Iran would get destroyed in such a conflict and it would not be anything like a 'World War'.

I think you need to point out where I said Iran would win/lose.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think you need to point out where I said Iran would win/lose.

I think you need to point out how attacking the great country of Iran is going to result in WW3.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

Wow, what a great World War that can rival WW1 or WW2. This would be a rather pathetic war resulting in Iran getting slapped around.

It seems that you have illusions of grandeur concerning Iran and its ability to actually withstand a US attack. Iran would get destroyed in such a conflict and it would not be anything like a 'World War'.

I think you need to point out where I said Iran would win/lose.

I think you need to point out how attacking the great country of Iran is going to result in WW3.

great country?
I just told you how it would result in a possible WW3.

Nowhere did I say Iran is great. You seem to think because I have Iranian blood in me I think Iran is some great country. Get over yourself.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg
Oooh secret military ... sounds kind of stealthy ... ahh. Wonder what kind of new, out of this world amazing goodness in behind the shroud .... aahhhhhoohah

Yes, Iran is a military superpower and it will destroy the United States with its high tech weaponry!

Hilarious!

What kind of comment is that? Again another assumption that I think Iran is all powerful and great. I've already stated that Iran is no match for the U.S military. OK.

When I said secret military I clearly pointed out that Iran has a high military budget with nothing to show for their spending. They do not advertise their tanks and jets for the world to see. They only advertise what they want the world to see.

Secret military does not mean they are advanced. I guess you read what your mind wants you to read.

It could also mean they are hiding weapons the Chinese/Russians sold them.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster
great country?
I just told you how it would result in a possible WW3.

Nowhere did I say Iran is great. You seem to think because I have Iranian blood in me I think Iran is some great country. Get over yourself.

You seem to overplay Iran's importance in the world and its own capabilities.

Sure, attacking Iran could result in WW3 just like it could result in an alien invasion from outer space. In other words it's pretty damn unlikely.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg
Oooh secret military ... sounds kind of stealthy ... ahh. Wonder what kind of new, out of this world amazing goodness in behind the shroud .... aahhhhhoohah

Yes, Iran is a military superpower and it will destroy the United States with its high tech weaponry!

Hilarious!

What kind of comment is that? Again another assumption that I think Iran is all powerful and great. I've already stated that Iran is no match for the U.S military. OK.

When I said secret military I clearly pointed out that Iran has a high military budget with nothing to show for their spending. They do not advertise their tanks and jets for the world to see. They only advertise what they want the world to see.

Secret military does not mean they are advanced. I guess you read what your mind wants you to read.

It could also mean they are hiding weapons the Chinese/Russians sold them.

I've never said that you believe that Iran is all powerful. However you obviously believe in some overrated sense of Iran's actual importance in the world and its overall capabilities.

But I guess you need to feel like a victim for some reason, especially when it comes to topics regarding Iran.

Face it, Iran is a turd of a country. It will not spark anything similar to WW1 or WW2.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster
Invading Iran will cause WW III. It will never happen and the Iranian regime will survive yet another day.

If Israel strikes Iran's nuclear sites, we go to war. Yes, you heard me people. Iran will attack the U.S before the U.S attacks them. (as a result of Israel bombing their sites)

Attacking Iran would cause World War III? I don't think so.

Uhm let's see.
Iran attacks Israel. Israel attacks Iran. Iran attacks U.S bases in Iraq/Afghanistan and the U.S get involved.

When Israel attacks Iran they have to go into Lebanon where Syrian troops are and Syria will most likely start a war with Israel.

How will Saudi Arabia/Egypt take this?

Either way you are talking about 6 countries taking part in a war.
Israel, U.S, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.

Wow, what a great World War that can rival WW1 or WW2. This would be a rather pathetic war resulting in Iran getting slapped around.

It seems that you have illusions of grandeur concerning Iran and its ability to actually withstand a US attack. Iran would get destroyed in such a conflict and it would not be anything like a 'World War'.

I think you need to point out where I said Iran would win/lose.

I think you need to point out how attacking the great country of Iran is going to result in WW3.

great country?
I just told you how it would result in a possible WW3.

Nowhere did I say Iran is great. You seem to think because I have Iranian blood in me I think Iran is some great country. Get over yourself.

You seem to overplay Iran's importance in the world and its own capabilities.

Sure, attacking Iran could result in WW3 just like it could result in an alien invasion from outer space. In other words it's pretty damn unlikely.

You seem to be uneducated about the M.E.
Let me educate you.

Iran gives weapons to Hezbollah. Iran has republician guard troops in Lebanon.
Syria has troops in Lebanon.

Hezbollah attacks Israel. Israel must invade Lebanon. Syria has troops there and Syria is not going to sit around and watch Israel takeover Lebanon. Syria might not also stand and let Iran be attacked.

Iran has missiles/artillery capable of reaching Afghanistan/Iraq. Iraq is a shia country that would side with the Iranians in the event of the U.S attacking Iran. That will make the situation in Iraq 10x as bad as it is now and the U.S has to worry about Iran. The most powerful man in Iraq is not Iraqi. He is an Iranian. Go look him up.

If Israel attacks Lebanon, Egypt/Saudi Arabia could very well face destruction by their own people if they just sit around and do nothing.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You seem to be uneducated about the M.E.
Let me educate you.

Iran gives weapons to Hezbollah. Iran has republician guard troops in Lebanon.
Syria has troops in Lebanon.

Hezbollah attacks Israel. Israel must invade Lebanon. Syria has troops there and Syria is not going to sit around and watch Israel takeover Lebanon. Syria might not also stand and let Iran be attacked.

Iran has missiles/artillery capable of reaching Afghanistan/Iraq. Iraq is a shia country that would side with the Iranians in the event of the U.S attacking Iran. That will make the situation in Iraq 10x as bad as it is now and the U.S has to worry about Iran. The most powerful man in Iraq is not Iraqi. He is an Iranian. Go look him up.

If Israel attacks Lebanon, Egypt/Saudi Arabia could very well face destruction by their own people if they just sit around and do nothing.

Please again point out how that is anything like WW1 or WW2. Wow, if we use such criteria then this certainly isn't WW3 as that already happened!