Will the Nvidia Titan $1,000 be $90 in just 4 years?

Smoblikat

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It wont be 90$ in 4 years, but it certainly will not cost more than $350. I would never buy a new graphics card anyway, buying the highest end last gen card is always going to be your best bang for buck. Like a GTX 780Ti, or the HD7970's that you can pick up for $130.
 

rchunter

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You pretty much have to treat computers like an entertainment expense. Unless you're able to make money with them. That said, I don't think the people buying a titan are too worried about it. They will have long since moved on to bigger and better graphics cards.
 

ShintaiDK

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Electronics is electronics. Resale value plummets nomatter if its a graphics card, smartphone, TV etc.
 

Termie

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To answer the question, no, it won't be $90. Today's $90 cards aren't even worth buying for the most part, and are far, far slower than any top tier card from 2011 (e.g., good luck getting GTX 580 performance for under $150 today).

That's because AMD and Nvidia stop manufacturing GPUs before they get below the $100 price point. The equivalent of a GTX 580 today is the $160-200 R9 280.
 

MrTeal

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Just a hair over 4 years ago, AMD released the 6990 at $700 and it was the fastest single card available. It was also the last enthusiast VLIW4 card before they moved to GCN, so if anything it should age poorly.
Other than in maybe some compute benchmarks, the 6990 is still considerably faster than any $90 card. Unfortunately there aren't any $90 cards out now based on anything resembling a new architecture, but the 6990 is still considerably faster than the $140 Maxwell-based 750Ti. A $200 GTX960 is faster than a 6990 though. A <$100 card won't beat a four year old top of the line card, but a $200 midrange usually will.

Even if you bought a $650 GTX280 in summer 2008 (sorry for your loss :p) it was still faster than a $100 HD7750 in summer 2012 and that's about as pessimistic a comparison as you can make.
 

Insomniator

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What card only lasted you 6 months? Do you mean it broke?

If you mean something faster came along... then grow up... that's how technology works.
 

DaveSimmons

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No, but why does it matter?

If a Titan is worth $1,000 to you right now, then buy it. If it is not, then don't.

My GTX 680 cost me $500 at launch, but I needed a new card and it offered the performance, heat, noise and power use levels that I wanted so I bought it.

I'm still using it, and I've gotten my money's worth from it. If the resale value is down to $90 it doesn't make me gnash my teeth and wail.

My 50" DLP HDTV cost $1,600+ and the resale value is $0. My electric kettle cost $100 and the resale value is probably $10. And so on.
 

x3sphere

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Probably not, considering the original Titan still fetches around $500 used and it is a little over 2 years old now. Cards tend to have more staying power these days as well, GPU tech isn't advancing as rapidly as it used to.
 

RussianSensation

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If you have to ask if the Titan is worth buying, that automatically means the card is not for you. If you are worried about resale value of an expensive GPU, then you should buy something much cheaper and just upgrade more frequently. For example, $240 Sapphire Tri-X R9 290 or $280 R9 290X or GTX970 for $300 are excellent options. In 2-3 years, just get something newer and faster. There is absolutely no point in buying a $1K videocard and keeping it for 5 years. That's about the worst thing you can do as far as GPU purchases go.
 

master_shake_

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Computer equipment does not hold resale value at all. Worse than cars.

right now in canada it does.

anything you bought before the dollar plummeted is worth more now since it did.

ex. my 980s were 541 plus tax before the dollar dropped.

same cards are 700+ dollars.

even with the use i have had out of them i could easily get 600 each for em.
 

kasakka

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Next year we will probably finally have single GPUs that can run 1440p really well and maybe the next ones that can do 4K @ 60 fps. I think we will then reach the point CPUs are right now where the cards are fast enough for the resolutions available and replacements every 1 or 2 years will be less necessary if you want to keep gaming at high settings.
 

SirPauly

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It wont be 90$ in 4 years, but it certainly will not cost more than $350. I would never buy a new graphics card anyway, buying the highest end last gen card is always going to be your best bang for buck. Like a GTX 780Ti, or the HD7970's that you can pick up for $130.

imho,

There are many ways and choices of achieving value but the one that may desire or doesn't mind paying premiums is the ability to have the performance/features now without compromising time or the dreaded waiting game.
 

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RussianSensation

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never buy at the end of a gpu cycle, and nv gpus are all over price imo.

You gotta look at the price and price/performance though. I remember 1.5 years after GTX480 came out, I saw EVGA versions for $175-225 on Newegg while the brand new 580 was going for $450. The same week when 580 launched for $499, after-market 480s dropped to $299. That means sometimes you can find great deals on older gen GPUs that aren't much worse. Generally speaking though if you buy a flagship $600-1000 card and hold on to it for a while, it'll depreciate like a rock.

$1500 R9 295X2 can easily be found for $600 today, barely 1 year from launch. November 2013 we had $700 GTX780Ti and $550 R9 290X, but today you can pick up a GTX970 for $295, R9 290X for $280. One of the reasons I feel the original Titans / Titan Blacks held their value was because of their DP performance but I do not feel this will apply to the current Titan X. Essentially once we have a gaming card with 6-8GB of VRAM that comes within 95% of the Titan X performance, the Titan X will become irrelevant for 99% of the market. Then by Q4 2016 when a $550 GP204 (980 Pascal successor) launches, the resale value of the Titan X will be toast.

An interesting point of reference for NV cards:

March 26, 2010 = GTX480 for $499
Feb 18, 2014 = GTX750Ti ~ GTX480 for $149 with 1/4th the power usage

If we start counting AMD cards, it gets even worse.

Nov 9, 2010 = GTX580 for $499
Nov 13, 2013 = R9 270 for $179

Pretty much buying a flagship card and holding on to it is a money pit and in 2 years from now it should be easy to find a $500 card that matches the Titan X, and in 2 more years a $225 card will do it.
 
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alcoholbob

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Aren't GTX 580s still valued for DP/CUDA work? I imagine the GTX Titan will still sell for $300-400 in 4 years.

The 780Ti on the other hand will be worthless.
 

alcoholbob

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He's talking about the Titan X though. No DP.

Oh, well I'm sure it'll have some value with its RAM and also with Gsync being better than Freesync atm, it'll probably be worth more than than the 390X lol but besides I think we can say at best it'll be a $300 card in 4 years, as a 2nd generation 16FF (20nm cough*) card should be at the very least 80% faster than the Titan X by then (assuming 40% better performance from process tech and 40% from improved efficiency) and cost ~$799 for the flagship mainstream.
 
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RussianSensation

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Oh, well I'm sure it'll have some value with its RAM and also with Gsync being better than Freesync atm

1. I don't think GSync is better than FreeSync. I think what you meant is that the current FreeSync monitors are severely lacking, both in terms of their sizes and limited refresh range. Otherwise, I don't see how FreeSync is inherently worse than GSync for you to make that statement. Also, in 2-4 years when it comes time to resell the Titan X, things could be vastly different so I wouldn't necessarily count on GSync adding more value. I would say the NV brand in general would add more value as their cards tend to have higher resale values even before GSync was on the scene.

, it'll probably be worth more than than the 390X lol

1. Maybe, but it matters more what the total depreciation is in dollar terms. If in 3 years, say a $700 MSRP R9 390 sells for $280, but a $1000 MSRP Titan X sells for $400, the former buyer would stand to lose $420 in resale value, but the latter $600. Even though your statement would be true, it costs more to own the Titan X.

2. Even when R9 390X launches, there could be much better products to buy such as a 2nd tier GM200 card or a 2nd tier R9 390 non-X. Let's assume a 2nd tier GM200/R9 390 card is 87% as fast as the Titan X for $550, at that point most people would not find it worth it to pay $450 extra for the Titan X for just 13% more performance. Alternatively, one would be able to purchase 50-60% more performance than the Titan X in dual 2nd tier NV GM200/R9 390 cards. That's why buying $1K single-gpu flagship cards is generally not recommended if one cares about resale value.

but besides I think we can say at best it'll be a $300 card in 4 years, as a 2nd generation 16FF (20nm cough*) card should be at the very least 80% faster than the Titan X by then (assuming 40% better performance from process tech and 40% from improved efficiency) and cost ~$799 for the flagship mainstream.

You are thinking new generation of cards at new MSRP pricing. What about when newer gen comes out and last gen cards are heavily discounted? In 15-18 months GM200/R9 390 will be 'old' tech and once 14nm GPUs launch, there will be huge discounts on these just like 780/780Ti faced massive price drops when 970/980 launched.

In less than 12 months, 780Ti's (last gen's flagship) performance was available for $330 in a 970. Today, you can actually have 780Ti's performance in a $280 R9 290X, barely 1.5 years since 780Ti launched. It took only 2 years time before we had $1000 Titan's performance in a $250-275 R9 290. :awe: I think AMD's desire to gain back market share will mean even if R9 390/390X launch at $549/699, in a matter of 15 months we will see those cards discounted by 30-40%. I wouldn't be surprised if R9 390X is $375 by the time December 2016 because when 14nm cards launch with newer features and 2X the perf/watt, no many people are going to want a ~290W card.

Today you can readily find GTX580 for $110-120 or nearly 1/5th its MSRP. Flagships don't really hold their value at all over 4-5 years. The one exception really is the Titan/Titan Black because of their DP performance.

It only makes sense to buy $1K flagship cards if you don't care about resale value (i.e., high income), can easily resell cards very quickly with minimal loss of resale or gaming is your primary hobby in which case resale value doesn't matter since that's basically what you spend most of your $ on as a hobby. For everyone else, it's best to stay clear of $1K cards like the Titan X. The OP doesn't sound like a Titan X customer at all.
 
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3DVagabond

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They way hyperinflation in video cards is going a new Titan four years from now will be $2000.
 

RussianSensation

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They way hyperinflation in video cards is going a new Titan four years from now will be $2000.

For Canadians, this generation has been brutal since our currency took a dive against the USD. After tax, a Titan X is $1525 CDN. 2 of those will run $3K CDN after tax. Not even the 8800GTX Ultra cost that much in Canada! :sneaky: All cards priced at the new exchange rates are at outrageous levels. GTX980 is basically $750 after tax. That looks nuts considering it's a GTX560Ti spiritual successor. Basically $650-750 CDN is now mid-range prices for new GPUs from NV. If AMD prices R9 390X at $699 USD, over here it'll be $850 CDN or $960 after tax, essentially more than a 50% price increase over the launch HD7970. :eek:
 
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