will the next republican rebound be more or less religious then the last?

[Avvocato Effetti]

What a load of bullshit. Go wrap yourself in the flag and celebrate your false patriotism.

Aren't you satisfied that the Tea Party is rejecting the us vs. them (Christians vs. Heathens) of past returns to Conservatism?

The Tea Party principle is to find common ground based on a shared desire to remain free.

 

[Craig234]

Try reading it again, he did not say what you think he said.

I would check and edit if needed, but his lack of manners leave me uninterested. My post isn't really about his anyway, it stands on its own as an estimate of the evangelicals and recommending a book.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Well if they can move to become more socially liberal or at least moderate they'd be doing themselves and the country a huge favor.

Yes, they need to be more inclusive. Embracing loons like Pat Robertson only hurts them, not help them. I mean seriously, if the Republicans turn their back on the religious right (or at least, de-emphasize them), who are those people going to vote for? They won't vote for the Democrats in all likelihood.

 

[MotF Bane]

If they become more religious, it could help the libertarian party.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Yes, they need to be more inclusive. Embracing loons like Pat Robertson only hurts them, not help them. I mean seriously, if the Republicans turn their back on the religious right (or at least, de-emphasize them), who are those people going to vote for? They won't vote for the Democrats in all likelihood.

I think the inclusiveness you seek will come via that pipeline known as the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is fundamentally opposed to illuminating the vast gulf between committed Christians (like me) and hard left heathens (like some on this forum).

It is the perfect "insulator" that allows us to join together to take back our Freedom while still vehemently disagreeing on issues of Faith. This insulator is strong enough to allow completely opposing views of eternity (as an example, Red Dawn and me) to support and vote for a party that will return our freedom.

I'm hopeful, are't you?

 

[Red Dawn]

I think the inclusiveness you seek will come via that pipeline known as the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is fundamentally opposed to illuminating the vast gulf between committed Christians (like me) and hard left heathens (like some on this forum).

It is the perfect "insulator" that allows us to join together to take back our Freedom while still vehemently disagreeing on issues of Faith. This insulator is strong enough to allow completely opposing views of eternity (as an example, Red Dawn and me) to support and vote for a party that will return our freedom.

I'm hopeful, are't you?

No, I've seen those that attend Tea Parties

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

No, I've seen those that attend Tea Parties

Alright.

Have you listened to what they say?

There are members of this forum with opposing views who ignore me in order to maintain their Tea Party principles of one goal, take back America.

I'm not a tea Party member although I support what they are doing. I do not want the burden of buffering my delivery.

As you know, certain venues do require that buffering.

 

[Vic]

Let's hope not. The Republicans need to become a true fiscally conservative party again and leave the religious stuff out.

They're never going to do that. And the Pubs haven't actually been fiscally conservative since Eisenhower.

Yes, they need to be more inclusive. Embracing loons like Pat Robertson only hurts them, not help them. I mean seriously, if the Republicans turn their back on the religious right (or at least, de-emphasize them), who are those people going to vote for? They won't vote for the Democrats in all likelihood.

They could... the religious right voted mostly Democratic up until the 1970s (Jimmy Carter was a fundie even). But more likely, the fundies would just withhold their campaign donations and stay home on election day, which would be just as bad for the GOP.

Both major parties are coalition parties. For the past few decades, the Pubs have been stuck with a contradictory coalition of religious authoritarians and economic libertarians. To resolve this, the GOP has been using intense fear propaganda to bring the 2 factions together. The result has been rather disturbing in its populist attitude, IMO.

And to be fair, the Dems have their own problems with their own diverse coalition factions.

 

[Vic]

If they become more religious, it could help the libertarian party.

Unlikely. I supported the LP back in the Browne days. Today's LP is not at all the same thing, and more like a modern George Wallace party.

 

[Vic]

Alright.

Have you listened to what they say?

There are members of this forum with opposing views who ignore me in order to maintain their Tea Party principles of one goal, take back America.

I'm not a tea Party member although I support what they are doing. I do not want the burden of buffering my delivery.

As you know, certain venues do require that buffering.

Take back America from who? Oh, that's right... other Americans.

That's why the teabaggers fail.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Take back America from who? Oh, that's right... other Americans.

That's why the teabaggers fail.

Many on your side are dissatisfied with the aggressive move toward Oligarchy.

I have members of my own family who were caught up in the fervor for this goon. Now they have severe buyers remorse. There are millions out there who are in the same situation.

The Tea Party is unyielding in its insistence that the goal center around a few common issues.

 

[Red Dawn]

What Obama needs to understand is that he wasn't elected to go and revamp everything, he was elected to undue the damage done by the previous Administration.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What Obama needs to understand is that he wasn't elected to go and revamp everything, he was elected to undue the damage done by the previous Administration.

Is it working?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

What Obama needs to understand is that he wasn't elected to go and revamp everything, he was elected to undue the damage done by the previous Administration.

I'm going to overlook that slam on my boy (are you listening Craig) George Bush.

You are correct. He was elected to correct problems, real and perceived to be real.

However, if you look at his mentors, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky and Wright, like I did, you would have realized what you were going to get.

No harm no foul, let's find a way to get leaders in there that WILL fix it.

 

[Vic]

Many on your side are dissatisfied with the aggressive move toward Oligarchy.

I have members of my own family who were caught up in the fervor for this goon. Now they have severe buyers remorse. There are millions out there who are in the same situation.

The Tea Party is unyielding in its insistence that the goal center around a few common issues.

I'm sorry, I always forget... which side is supposed to be my side? Obviously my comment about taking back America from other Americans went right over your head.

And if by "goon" you mean Obama, I'm satisfied thus far. He's a moderate (centrist 3rd way, like Clinton), as I predicted he would be, and my income and portfolio are both up significantly in the past year. I don't credit that to Obama personally, however, that would be as silly as those who are blaming him personally for their past year's misfortunes.

BTW, populism and cults of personality (including those that demonize) are the opposite of any kind of libertarianism. You can't, for example, claim to believe in small govt and free markets, and then insist on holding elected officials to task for every little bump and hiccup in the economy, especially those are clearly the result of larger market forces. That'd be a pretty severe disconnect.

 

[Vic]

What Obama needs to understand is that he wasn't elected to go and revamp everything, he was elected to undue the damage done by the previous Administration.

The US federal govt is the largest bureaucracy in the history of humankind. It doesn't stop and turn on a dime.

 

[Red Dawn]

Is it working?

No not yet. Hopefully he'll get a clue after the election in MA.

BTW I understand why some of you refer to him as the "Messiah" as it would take a fictional person of mythical powers to correct the mess he had inherited. Unfortunately he's not that entity.

 

[Red Dawn]

The US federal govt is the largest bureaucracy in the history of humankind. It doesn't stop and turn on a dime.

No doubt, his was/is a daunting task.

 

[MotF Bane]

Unlikely. I supported the LP back in the Browne days. Today's LP is not at all the same thing, and more like a modern George Wallace party.

Then would a better statement be a more vague libertarians, or even less specific, fiscally conservative, small government, socially liberal candidates?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

I'm sorry, I always forget... which side is supposed to be my side? Obviously my comment about taking back America from other Americans went right over your head.

And if by "goon" you mean Obama, I'm satisfied thus far. He's a moderate (centrist 3rd way, like Clinton), as I predicted he would be, and my income and portfolio are both up significantly in the past year. I don't credit that to Obama personally, however, that would be as silly as those who are blaming him personally for their past year's misfortunes.

BTW, populism and cults of personality (including those that demonize) are the opposite of any kind of libertarianism. You can't, for example, claim to believe in small govt and free markets, and then insist on holding elected officials to task for every little bump and hiccup in the economy, especially those are clearly the result of larger market forces. That'd be a pretty severe disconnect.

As one who is admittedly satisfied, you are not part of that group that will cause the political pendulum to swing back in the other direction. As we have seen this week, that process has begun.

Politicly, I am probably more Libertarian that anything, although I hesitate to categorize myself. I have supported the Republican Party for years for one reason, it was the best game in town with a chance to win. I still believe that.

I believe, as I have said, that it will be the Tea Party that will hold the most sway in the coming Republican surge.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Politics in this country have become a real mess in the last few decades especially since the dead even tie of 2000. We are so equally divided that both sides have to pander to the lunatic fringe to try and muster a majority, giving a small minority of whack jobs way too much power.

20 years ago these fringe elements were viewed as exactly what they are, the inconsequential mentally challenged minority. Today these same folks represent a powerful but unpredictable voting block that must be taken into account by both parties.

 

[Sinsear]

What Obama needs to understand is that he wasn't elected to go and revamp everything, he was elected to undue the damage done by the previous Administration.

I thought he was elected for free gas and mortgages.

 

[Kirby]

It's obvious that Obama and crew seek to establish and Oligarchy.

I'm no Obama nut-hugger, but I'll take his "oligarchy" over Palin's theocracy any fucking day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

I'm no Obama nut-hugger, but I'll take his "oligarchy" over Palin's theocracy any fucking day of the week and twice on Sunday.

What has Palin done, written or supported that would indicate she would move to establish a State Religion or Theocracy?


Edit:
BTW, I never knew that there was a "fucking day" during the week. Sounds kinky.

 

[TheSlamma]

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Wow Colorado #5 and we're the fittest state also.. too bad winter is so damn long here and the diving sucks.