You need to learn your history before spouting your BS. We never won the military war in Vietnam. Now go back a little further and look at Germany and Japan, I would say they are evidence of huge successes. Actually, compare WWI to WWII and it becomes even easier to see what happens if you do invest the time and resources (WWI and mountains of debt) and WWII in which we forgave much debt and STILL have a presence. You see, cherry picking doesn't win dumb arguments.It sorta goes back to the idiot poster who stated we will have US advisers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan forever advancing our interests. We had piles of US adviser in Vietnam too, but wait, we forgot to win and we have zero now. And in the same sense, I predict both Iraq and Afghanistan will tell our advisers to not go away mad, but instead to just go away ASAP in the ten year or so time frame.
No one knows what will happen in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I believe that the events in Tunisia and Egypt could be a great turning point for the Middle East and all we should do is keep out, irregardless of the outcome. Leave it to the will of the people.