Oi, while I'd love to see it happen... I just don't think the mac platform will be a gamer's option in the near future. I mean, sure our hardware specs are damn nice, I'm running a dual 2.0 G5 with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL Video card. That's really a great setup, but games like Doom just don't see the framerates that their PC counterparts do. This is simply because most games are made for a PC then ported to the Mac. Changing over from Direct X to Open GL isn't very easy, especially when the Open GL code has some issues with compatibility its self (cue APPLE to fix this, they can, they just havn't yet). The upcoming switch to intel based mac's don't help either. Sure, the pentium hybrids will play games better, but the prospect of compiling a binary for both the x86 archetecture AND the PPC archetecture (to stay along with the current set of FAT binary rules, you need a program for BOTH archetectures) might just be too much for some sofware designers. With only like 3% market share (that's when the intel macs come out) compiling 2 very different binaries just doesn't seem like an economically wise decision... Unfortunatly.
If you want to game, get a decent Windows Box, if you want Oregon Trail... pick up an original ibook offa ebay for under 100 dollars, if you need to do complex video and sound editing, or have the need for virtual color-proofing... Get the mac. That's just my 2c.
Banker.
EDIT: Yes. G5's are only supposed to boot with CAS 3.0 LL Unbuffered RAM sticks in direct pairs... I suspect that the computer is making use of the CAS 2.5 memory, but not very efficiently as it's not in sync with the rest of the computer's Bus...
If you want to game, get a decent Windows Box, if you want Oregon Trail... pick up an original ibook offa ebay for under 100 dollars, if you need to do complex video and sound editing, or have the need for virtual color-proofing... Get the mac. That's just my 2c.
Banker.
EDIT: Yes. G5's are only supposed to boot with CAS 3.0 LL Unbuffered RAM sticks in direct pairs... I suspect that the computer is making use of the CAS 2.5 memory, but not very efficiently as it's not in sync with the rest of the computer's Bus...
pcgeek11
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Pardon me, but I am not a fanboi, but thanks anyway. I am a realist. The price value ratio on a Mac is way out of balance. I have used both PC and Mac. The Mac just isn't worth the beans required to purchase. Then you have the support base which is almost none with respect to the X86 PC platform. Software availability .... ? Too Proprietary which limits you even more. Crash resistant... No. I Video or audio edge... they were but this is no longer true by any stretch of the imagination.
So just to voice my opinion into a public discussion is wrong? Why? The thread wasn't marked as Mac " Fanboi " only or anything was it? Have an open mind, I at least admitted that a Mac once had an edge in certain areas. Don't be so judgemental. Apple is just strangling themselves with their own shoestrings, sorry if you will not admit it. Just my opinion.
Not a fanboi or is it Fan Boy?
pcgeek11
Plus... something I haven't seen in other replies... PCs run directx, and so does XBOX360, since it is Microsoft.
MACS DON'T RUN DIRECTX. tell me if I'm wrong
BFonnes
Macs are the best at 3D graphics and gaming where only pros really understand and can appreciate the beauty. It doesn't need to do 100fps in Doom3 because the graphics simply look a HELL of a lot better due to it's superior hardware and GL based graphics. 100fps of CRAP is meaningless. Plus the Mac can emulate PeeCee hardware just as good as real hardware so you can still get 100fps of CRAP in a Windoze window.
Hacp
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Ok isn't Doom 3 based on Open GL? I thought it used Open GL for windows, but I might be wrong. Also, as long as the Mac G5, supposedly the most expensive and best of the Macs sell for 3000 dollars with a 9700(I think), macs will not be gaming machines. I mean 3000 dollars and they populate your ram slots with 256 meg slots and give you an 80 dollar video card?
Uh..but it doesnt matter that the Xbox is using a powerpc processor..since Apple is moving the Mac architecture to intel.
Rock Hydra
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I agree. And for some games, the system requirements are a good deal higher than their PC counterparts.
To be honest, you DO seem like fanboy. Also, starting out your post with " Right, and by then we will have to dodge them flying pigs! Face it Apple blows, just a small nich market because they look COOL. " pretty much makes you look like a dumbfvck.
If you cannot back up your statement "Macs are propietary," then stop posting. Because if you would like me to, I will sure as hell prove you wrong.
The one huge stumbling block, even after they switch to x86 processors, as a previous poster said, is Direct3D and OpenGL.
Direct3D is used in many more titles currently, and porting it to OpenGL can often be a big pain.
Direct3D is used in many more titles currently, and porting it to OpenGL can often be a big pain.
pcgeek11
Lifer
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Dude you need a Valium or something. I think that this is an open board and I can post whatever I want as long as I abide by the rules set forth.
You asked me: " Care to explain how Macs are propietary? " and I politely answered you " No I wouldn't, but thanks anyway. "
Then you go all nuts on me. Dude you have a problem.
Excelsior,
I think there is an obvious reason that MAC is changing lanes over to X86 platform, and this makes you look like a dumbfvck.
I'm done, Not worth the time in here, right Luc, Exc ?
pcgeek11
Little boy, you said Macs are proprietary, when in fact, they are not. Why is it little PC fanboy's like yourself love to spread false information regarding the Mac platform?
Of course it's not worth the time. If you can't even back up your statements, why even bother to continue posting.
hopefully the shift to x86 Macs will provide a boost to the incentive for games devs to use OpenGL over DirectX.
pcgeek11
Lifer
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Lucifer,
Little boy??? Sorry to confuse you so much, but I think once you get past 50 years old the " Little Boy " term doesn't really apply anymore. I was working on computers when you were still pooping in your diapers OK. So lets not continue with the insults.
I am not spreading any false information first of all, and second of all I do not have to back up my post or prove anything to you. I wasn't going to post anymore, but seeing as how it gets under your skin so much, well I couldn't resist. I'm weak in that way.
I have a few questions for you also:
Why do you bother to continue posting?
Why don't you back up your post?
Why do I bother you so much?
Why can't I have an opinion?
If you "Lucifer " Don't like my post, then by all means don't read them.
pcgeek11
Little boy??? Sorry to confuse you so much, but I think once you get past 50 years old the " Little Boy " term doesn't really apply anymore. I was working on computers when you were still pooping in your diapers OK. So lets not continue with the insults.
I am not spreading any false information first of all, and second of all I do not have to back up my post or prove anything to you. I wasn't going to post anymore, but seeing as how it gets under your skin so much, well I couldn't resist. I'm weak in that way.
I have a few questions for you also:
Why do you bother to continue posting?
Why don't you back up your post?
Why do I bother you so much?
Why can't I have an opinion?
If you "Lucifer " Don't like my post, then by all means don't read them.
pcgeek11
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