Will the last PNAC'er turn off the lights?

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Lifer
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Project for the New American Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC

Principles:

1) we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

2) we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

3)we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

4)we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles

By the end of 2006, PNAC was "reduced to a voice-mail box and a ghostly website", with "a single employee" "left to wrap things up"




Fail?

I think so. The idea that America could significantly increase defense spending in light of the devastation to our economy by the unfair trade with China was ludicrous.

More importantly, and surprisingly for an organization of people made up of "thinkers" they didn't learn the less of Britains global domination in the 1800's. The threat of force, and the limited use of force, ideally in conjunction with allies (both internationally and internal to the country your attacking), is what works. When you actually have to invade a country the costs are enormous and far outweight any economic benefits. And if you don't win absolutely and decisively without your enemies having any possibility of harming you, you lose. Like when we steamrollered in Iraq, but then found we really couldn't just pack up and leave. Instead we spent a fortune and made huge compromises. Other nations have noticed. They now think the US won't or can't invade them.

Competition between nations in the 21st century will be economic, not military.
 

Pocatello

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Oct 11, 1999
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Competition between nations in the 21st century will be economic, not military.

That's why China, India, and so many other Asian countries are cutting back on their military spending. Or is it the other way around? When resources run out somewhere in the future, and countries run out of food for any kind of reason, such as climate change, blood will flow.
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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Their new name is Tea Party under Sarah Palin

Nope. Totally different crowd. The PNAC was a clique of wealthy fascists hell bent on looting America. The Tea Party is a bunch of trailer trash peeing all over themselves to get on TV.
 

MovingTarget

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Jun 22, 2003
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Way to go PNAC....you and your policies have almost singlehandedly ensured that America will have less influence in the world during the 21st century.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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The PNAC was never more than a cardboard front for the Republican money machine. They have dozens, if not hundreds, each completely disposable when discredited. They'll just channel the money thru others. Same whore, different dress.
 

Nebor

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I contributed to PNAC. I was a fan of their ideology. They don't even send out fund-raising pamphlets anymore though.

I'm not a tea party fan at all.
 

Red Dawn

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I contributed to PNAC. I was a fan of their ideology. They don't even send out fund-raising pamphlets anymore though.

I'm not a tea party fan at all.

Yeah you seemed foolish enough to buy into that bullshit.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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I contributed to PNAC. I was a fan of their ideology. They don't even send out fund-raising pamphlets anymore though.

I'm not a tea party fan at all.

This is what i was talking about yesterday
 

Infohawk

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I like how they say they shut down because of their success. Because that's what successful organizations do right?

I contributed to PNAC. I was a fan of their ideology. They don't even send out fund-raising pamphlets anymore though.

I'm not a tea party fan at all.

Dude they shut down in 2006.
 

Nebor

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Jun 24, 2003
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Apparently after the organization disbanded, a lot of the staff went here: Link

Seems like the same basic ideals.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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The idiocy. PNAC had most of the foreign policy players soon to be the George Bush-appointed government of the US as members. They acted. You're an idiot.

I am impressed. You managed to use a form of idiot at the beginning and end of your post.