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Will the Jews eventually rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem?
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Ya, what will they win at the end of what?
The Raileans say that The original hebrew bible was misinterpeted hundreds of years ago (And nobody to this day has ever re-interpeted it). And it does not say god at all, but it say something to the affect 'people from the sky' (they say god is singular, but in the original hebrew bible, the word that represents what we call god is plural, thus can't be only 1 'god'. I do not know the original hebrew language (Or any modern version as far as that goes) to verify what they are saying, but think about it for a minute, what if the bible was misinterpeted years and years ago!!!!!! Would that be the end of all the churches as we know then? These people also say that once they build an 'embassy' for the aliens to go to, they will show up and all religion as we know it will go right out the window.......
That got me wondering if.................. you think it's possible?
That whole Realian thing is bullshit to anyone who has studied ancient Hebrew. They claim that the word Elohiam which can be translated to people from the sky or one from the sky is the actual word for God in acient Hebrew. However, the true origins of that word stem from the fact that the ancient Jews were forbidden to say the actual word for the name of god Yaweh and still are amongst orthodox and haredim. So the priests came up with the word Elohiem. It has nothing to do with aliens.
What priests? That is what I am baffled about with the bible. Is the original bible still around today to be re-examined?
The realians say that the north star that was guilding the 3 wise men was actually the ship leaving and that is why it was so bright (Lights, not a star)
What does Elohiem mean then? I find it hard to believe that something so sacred as the bible would put made up words in it. No wonder some people think the bible is nothing more then a book that was written a long long time ago.
God help humans if there is a worldwide natural disaster that wipes out everything and almost everyone. Hundreds of years go by, then someone one day discovers the VHS movie 'The Matrix' and believes it is a message from their 'god'. Will they believe they are living in a machine from that point forward? 😉 Just another perspective on a juicy topic 🙂
I brought up the realian movement, which says aliens (Humans from another world actually is what they say) created everything here, and then created man after themselves (From what the realians are saying is man was not on the agenda for creation, but the 'human aliens' decided it would be cool to create life modeled after themselves (Humanity)
They also say that when they rebuild the 'embassy' (I assume they mean what we call temples) the human aliens will return to greet us. They believe that the human aliens are up there now watching and waiting for that 'embassy' to show up. They went as far as saying that the 'human aliens' will not come before then because they are aware of the global situation (Devided countries etc..) and does not want to look like they are here for one nation, but for the entire world.
The world needs to get together to build this 'embassy' just to see if anything shows up. If not, well that discounts the realian movement......
The Jewish priests from back in the Temple days. The Jewish society was much different then from the way it is now. There used to be Rabbi's as there are now but there was also a whole Priest class. The oldest form of the the Torah, "old testament" , still around is in the Dead Sea Scrolls. I am sure they have been re-examined but I doubt you could do it unless you were an expert in the field. Part of the problem about retranslating them is that ancient Hebrew is basically a forgotten language. It bears only a slight resemblance to modern Hebrew and reading one does not imply you can read the other.
I am not sure about the whole sacredness of the bible thing. I cannot speak on behalf of the "new testament" but the Torah was most likely written by a whole bunch of people. As was said above, Elohim was a word created by the Priests for the people to use because they were forbidden to speak the true name under one of the original Ten Commandments. Keep in mind also that ancient Hebrew was ONLY a holy language. It could hardly be used for spoken language since it lacked many words needed to communicate. I am not entirely sure of the evolution of it from ancient to modern but I believe there was a dead period and I am sure it required many words to be added.
Kyteland
Diamond Member
In reference to the bright star appearing at Jusus' birth: there was a story on public radio recently (sorry, can't find it on google) about an astronomical study that showed that in ~9 AD Mars, Venus and Jupiter aligned and would have formed what looked like a very bright new star. The phenomenon would have lasted a couple of weeks.
Now this I might believe, but alien spaceships? Really....
Now this I might believe, but alien spaceships? Really....
ThePresence
Elite Member
Umm, this is partly incorrect. I have a fluent undestanding of ancient Hebrew (and Aramaic), Elohim was not made up by priests at all. It appears countless times in the Torah, which was not written by priests. You are correct in saying that the other name is forbidden, but that's not where this name came from. I believe you are thinking of "Adonoy".
ThePresence
Elite Member
Modern Hebrew and Ancient Hebrew read EXACTLY the same. It's understanding the words that are difficult. Ancient hebrew is not a forgotten language at all, I've been studying it since about age 7. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls are not part of the old testament. They were written by a breakaway group.....
Moder Hebrew is the product of one man - Ben Yehuda. It didn't "evolve" from the ancient form to the modern. Again, Elohim is NOT the creation of priests.
If you can read modern Hebrew you can read the Hebrew which is written in the DSS. However, there is a form of very ancient Hebrew which used characters different than the ones found in the DSS and 'appropriated' for modern Hebrew. The question of a 'dead' period and revival of Hebrew is partially correct. Hebrew definately fell into disuse between the Hellenistic times and modern Israel, however, it never fully 'died'.
Also, it is partially true that we do not know much about ancient Hebrew, as we do not know 100% how to pronounce it. Hebrew is a consonantal lanuage and the vowel pointings that we have received were only placed there by the Masorites. How much they knew of pronounciation is unknown.
Edit: Oh, back on topic. The question of where Elohim comes from is not really determined. It is most probably a form of El from the Canaanite god, appropriated for use by the Israelites (whoever they were). Thus the Raelians are actually not far off, as the ending of Elohim definitely appears to be plural, and the El is a sky god.
For a good book on this see, F.M. Cross, "Cannanite Myth and Hebrew Epic".
Also, it is partially true that we do not know much about ancient Hebrew, as we do not know 100% how to pronounce it. Hebrew is a consonantal lanuage and the vowel pointings that we have received were only placed there by the Masorites. How much they knew of pronounciation is unknown.
Edit: Oh, back on topic. The question of where Elohim comes from is not really determined. It is most probably a form of El from the Canaanite god, appropriated for use by the Israelites (whoever they were). Thus the Raelians are actually not far off, as the ending of Elohim definitely appears to be plural, and the El is a sky god.
For a good book on this see, F.M. Cross, "Cannanite Myth and Hebrew Epic".
ThePresence
Elite Member
I assume you are speaking of the differences between Ksav HaShuroth and Ksav HaIvri?
Yes, they look exactly the same to me.
evolve-1 : EMIT, 2 a : DERIVE, EDUCE b : to produce by natural evolutionary processes c : DEVELOP, WORK OUT. It fits the definition of evolve. Who created the word then? Are you implying that it was handed down from above?
ThePresence
Elite Member
Ok, there are many types of hebrew wrting. The ancient hebrew you see displayed there is called Ksav (or Katav) HaIvri. That is the language the Ancient Jews used for everyday writing (business and such), as they didnt want to use a holy language for everyday menial writing. That writing is indeed very different from modern hebrew, and it's very hard to read without years of practice. I had assumed you were speaking of Kasav (Katav) HaShuroth which was the holy form of the language (and the better known form), which is quite similiar in look to todays Hebrew.
There are other types of Hebrew writing. There is the rabbinic as pictured there, which is also known as Rashi writing (because Rashi used it extensively). That version looks different, but is actually quite similiar. Then there is hebrew "script" or cursive which looks totally different also. I can read and write all of these quite well besides for Kasav HaIvri which takes me a real long time.
evolve-1 : EMIT, 2 a : DERIVE, EDUCE b : to produce by natural evolutionary processes c : DEVELOP, WORK OUT. It fits the definition of evolve. Who created the word then? Are you implying that it was handed down from above?[/quote]
I was just saying that it wasn't a gradual change from ancient hebrew to modern. It's one man's life work.
Religion is a door to another world, or a bridge to reality, but like every escape from the disease of self hate, it becomes corrupted by that disease as soon as the cured one at its center dies. That is because the nature of self hate is that realizing it is so painful that it is avoided as powerfully as death because we actually died from it. That's what the die to be reborn thingi is all about. "The End" already happened and so we carry wiuthin us this tremendous fear, fear of the devil, of evil, of the enemy, the bogie man, fear of realization or femembering our psychic death. This fear is projected out on the world because we can suppress consciousness of it, but we cannot escape it because it happened.
So we are insane and experience, collectively a mass psychosis, called "The End". This mass disaster is something we dread and long for all at once. We are actually no steps from insanity. We actually are insane. Because we are asleep, we don't recognize that our fear is inside and is a fear of nothing but memory of stuff that alreadey happened. Suppressing those memories makes us dead, and so we long for The End Times because we would rather actually die than remember and because we long for life, for war, for disaster, for conflict, for anything intense enough to take us to those feelings we won't feel voluntarily but which, if we did, would make us feel alive again.
You can have no idea what tremendous danger you are in living in a sleeping world because the nature of that sleep is that it carries a death wish, the desire for mass death or extinction. The greatest lie, of course, is that the kingdom of heaven is elsewhere than here and now, what the heart free of self hate sees in this world.
Religion is a bridge to reality, but the bridge and not the reality are what has become the center of worship. For almost everybody the bridge not only doesn't lead anywhere, it leads to extinctiion. People in Texas are breeding cattle to produce the Red Bull that will be needed to usher in the End Times. But the End Times were already here. The End Times are only the fear of remembering. But the fundamentalist, the fanatic thinks he gets a free ride, that he can shortcut memory with a false ticket to heaven. In the process there's no problem about taking all the millions of beautiful smiling children with him. It's for their own good.
Have a cookie. By the time you finish reading the next post you will have forgotten everything you just read.
So we are insane and experience, collectively a mass psychosis, called "The End". This mass disaster is something we dread and long for all at once. We are actually no steps from insanity. We actually are insane. Because we are asleep, we don't recognize that our fear is inside and is a fear of nothing but memory of stuff that alreadey happened. Suppressing those memories makes us dead, and so we long for The End Times because we would rather actually die than remember and because we long for life, for war, for disaster, for conflict, for anything intense enough to take us to those feelings we won't feel voluntarily but which, if we did, would make us feel alive again.
You can have no idea what tremendous danger you are in living in a sleeping world because the nature of that sleep is that it carries a death wish, the desire for mass death or extinction. The greatest lie, of course, is that the kingdom of heaven is elsewhere than here and now, what the heart free of self hate sees in this world.
Religion is a bridge to reality, but the bridge and not the reality are what has become the center of worship. For almost everybody the bridge not only doesn't lead anywhere, it leads to extinctiion. People in Texas are breeding cattle to produce the Red Bull that will be needed to usher in the End Times. But the End Times were already here. The End Times are only the fear of remembering. But the fundamentalist, the fanatic thinks he gets a free ride, that he can shortcut memory with a false ticket to heaven. In the process there's no problem about taking all the millions of beautiful smiling children with him. It's for their own good.
Have a cookie. By the time you finish reading the next post you will have forgotten everything you just read.
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