Will the evolution of the video camera kill photography?

[FP]

I was sitting next to a pond waiting for a duck to swim my way for a photo and I started to wonder...

If we get to the point where a consumer video camera can shoot at the same shutter speed as a still camera (and with the same quality) do you think that will be the end to photography as we know it?

No longer will we have to wait for the "perfect" shot if we can sit there and just hit record. We will have the ability to pick our perfect shot from thousands taken in a few seconds.

Imagine being able to bracket focus/exposure at speeds so high you don't need to worry about the scene changing.

Obviously framing and composure will still be important but the "difficult" part of picking that perfect moment goes away.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

No. You think 4MP cameras are enough? 6MP? No. For someone who makes prints, you need at least 10MP... so video cameras will never rule.

Plus they incorporate motion blur..

 

[suicidalpigeon]

god knows how much these suckers are gonna cost.

 

[PurdueRy]

Lets see, the quality of most video cameras pictures are about .32 MP...should take no time to get up to the quality of cameras....

 

[dug777]

that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
No. You think 4MP cameras are enough? 6MP? No. For someone who makes prints, you need at least 10MP... so video cameras will never rule.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? 😕

Edit: I don't even know why I phrased that as a question... clearly you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

Sooner or later still cameras will reach the same frame rate as video cameras.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

i have my doubts, besides which, there's no concievable need for a video camera that does that...

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

Sooner or later still cameras will reach the same frame rate as video cameras.

That's the more likely thing.

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

 

[yhelothar]

Still frame shots many times elude a certain quality to them that cannot be done with motion picture videos, so it's definitely not just the quality. 1080p looks as good as 8x10 photos.

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

Sooner or later still cameras will reach the same frame rate as video cameras.

😕

I can set my Nikon to 1/30s now...

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Storage requirements would be astronomical at any decent frame rate, as would internal transfer rates. Plus there's now way you could excercise anywhere near the same control over each frame on the fly. Which means that such a system, whil allowing you to capture everything, is NEVER going to be able to do it with the precision and fine tuning that good photography requires.

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Still frame shots many times elude a certain quality to them that cannot be done with motion picture videos, so it's definitely not just the quality. 1080p looks as good as 8x10 photos.

You are missing the point. I am talking about the future here... Not existing technology.

If I have a video camera that shoots at 100 megapixel resolution at a full frame (ie progressive) rate of 5000fps I can shoot the same "still frame" shot you did with you DSLR.

To the person who said who would want that... The answer is EVERYBODY. You would no longer need two cameras. You could drop the frame rate to 1/24 or 1/30 for video and increase it to still speeds for short bursts of still photos.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Damn you must have tiny toes.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Still frame shots many times elude a certain quality to them that cannot be done with motion picture videos, so it's definitely not just the quality. 1080p looks as good as 8x10 photos.

You are missing the point. I am talking about the future here... Not existing technology.

If I have a video camera that shoots at 100 megapixel resolution at a full frame (ie progressive) rate of 5000fps I can shoot the same "still frame" shot you did with you DSLR.

To the person who said who would want that... The answer is EVERYBODY. You would no longer need two cameras. You could drop the frame rate to 1/24 or 1/30 for video and increase it to still speeds for short bursts of still photos.

You physically can't excerise the same degree of control as you could in a single shot situation. So your photos will suck, and what's more, they will have no artistic merit or measure of skill whatsoever.

I assume you're unaware that current still digis offer pretty good video as well?

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Still frame shots many times elude a certain quality to them that cannot be done with motion picture videos, so it's definitely not just the quality. 1080p looks as good as 8x10 photos.

You are missing the point. I am talking about the future here... Not existing technology.

If I have a video camera that shoots at 100 megapixel resolution at a full frame (ie progressive) rate of 5000fps I can shoot the same "still frame" shot you did with you DSLR.

To the person who said who would want that... The answer is EVERYBODY. You would no longer need two cameras. You could drop the frame rate to 1/24 or 1/30 for video and increase it to still speeds for short bursts of still photos.

True, but that would require you to spend hours digging through thousands of photos to find a good one. Real photographers diligently frame the perfect shot.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Storage requirements would be astronomical at any decent frame rate, as would internal transfer rates. Plus there's now way you could excercise anywhere near the same control over each frame on the fly. Which means that such a system, whil allowing you to capture everything, is NEVER going to be able to do it with the precision and fine tuning that good photography requires.

I don't mean to sound demeaning or like an ass, but you sound like what people thought of computers 15 years ago. 😛

My rationale is simple: just look at the amazing exponential growth seen in computing today, which is expected to last for quite some time into the future, well far enough to do this simple task. The processing power will exist, the storage requirements will be nothing in comparison to technology of the day, with more precision than you can get today with the top end DSLR in existence.

Does this mean that photography as a hobby will be lost? No I don't think so, it will still require things like creativity, something computers can't really do...yet. Although this is predicted in the next 25 years 😀

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Storage requirements would be astronomical at any decent frame rate, as would internal transfer rates. Plus there's now way you could excercise anywhere near the same control over each frame on the fly. Which means that such a system, whil allowing you to capture everything, is NEVER going to be able to do it with the precision and fine tuning that good photography requires.

True you wouldn't be able to exercise the same control over each frame but you could do things like rapid bracketing to get some of that control back.

Tell me what precision and fine tuning you do when taking a picture...

I personally...

1. Meter the light
2. Set my exposure (f-stop and shutter speed)
3. Compose the scene
4. Exposure bracket the scene
5. Check my bracketed pics for the best PQ
6. Readjust step #2
7. Sit and wait for the scene.

Now, if I could take 5000 pictures in 1 second and tell the camera to bracket exposure by 5 stops every 5 pictures I wouldn't need to do step 4, 5, 6 or 7.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Storage requirements would be astronomical at any decent frame rate, as would internal transfer rates. Plus there's now way you could excercise anywhere near the same control over each frame on the fly. Which means that such a system, whil allowing you to capture everything, is NEVER going to be able to do it with the precision and fine tuning that good photography requires.

I don't mean to sound demeaning or like an ass, but you sound like what people thought of computers 15 years ago. 😛

My rationale is simple: just look at the amazing exponential growth seen in computing today, which is expected to last for quite some time into the future, well far enough to do this simple task. The processing power will exist, the storage requirements will be nothing in comparison to technology of the day, with more precision than you can get today with the top end DSLR in existence.

Does this mean that photography as a hobby will be lost? No I don't think so, it will still require things like creativity, something computers can't really do...yet. Although this is predicted in the next 25 years 😀

Exactly. Having the performance or the capacity should be the last thing to worry about.

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Damn you must have tiny toes.

😀!

I was thinking CF card not SD card

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Storage requirements would be astronomical at any decent frame rate, as would internal transfer rates. Plus there's now way you could excercise anywhere near the same control over each frame on the fly. Which means that such a system, whil allowing you to capture everything, is NEVER going to be able to do it with the precision and fine tuning that good photography requires.

I don't mean to sound demeaning or like an ass, but you sound like what people thought of computers 15 years ago. 😛

My rationale is simple: just look at the amazing exponential growth seen in computing today, which is expected to last for quite some time into the future, well far enough to do this simple task. The processing power will exist, the storage requirements will be nothing in comparison to technology of the day, with more precision than you can get today with the top end DSLR in existence.

Does this mean that photography as a hobby will be lost? No I don't think so, it will still require things like creativity, something computers can't really do...yet. Although this is predicted in the next 25 years 😀

There would be no skill it, there would still be no way you could control what you were producing, and you would spend hundreds of hours looking through the frames for the one shot you wanted. It sounds neither desirable nor practical to me.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: dug777
that's silly.

You will NEVER get a video camera that could achieve what a good SLR/DSLR can do in a single frame, besides which, composure is 9/10 of a brilliant photo 😉

Never say never 😛

It will happen, it is inevitable.

I agree... Who would have thought 20 years ago we would be where we are with DSLRs and media.

"You mean I can store 500 pictures on something the size of my big toe!?"

I think we will see it in our lifetimes without a doubt.

Storage requirements would be astronomical at any decent frame rate, as would internal transfer rates. Plus there's now way you could excercise anywhere near the same control over each frame on the fly. Which means that such a system, whil allowing you to capture everything, is NEVER going to be able to do it with the precision and fine tuning that good photography requires.

True you wouldn't be able to exercise the same control over each frame but you could do things like rapid bracketing to get some of that control back.

Tell me what precision and fine tuning you do when taking a picture...

I personally...

1. Meter the light
2. Set my exposure (f-stop and shutter speed)
3. Compose the scene
4. Exposure bracket the scene
5. Check my bracketed pics for the best PQ
6. Readjust step #2
7. Sit and wait for the scene.

Now, if I could take 5000 pictures in 1 second and tell the camera to bracket exposure by 5 stops every 5 pictures I wouldn't need to do step 4, 5, 6 or 7.

Well if you were good at metering in the first place, you wouldn't really need to bracket your exposures 5 stops for every 5 pictures.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

matter of time