Will the Anti-Bush platform work this election cycle?

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

I'm just curious as to how people who cannot stand up to Big Bad George W. Bush will stand up to Putin and Ahmadinejad.

Well, gee, the greatest political windfall since pearl harbor fell right into bush's lap and he used it more to bludgeon Dems and invade Iraq than to actually address the real issues behind terrorism.

Hell, dealing with Putin is child's play compared to dealing with accusations of terrarist sympathizing, jew hating, appeasement, defeatism and lack of patriotism. Putin can't steamroller you out of office with fearmongering and innuendo- Bush forces can and did in the wake of 9/11...

Not to mention that nobody can possible stand against taxcut frenzy in the face of that and a recessionary economy...

Country 2nd, preventing yourself from getting steamrolled out of office 1st! Guess Obama is wrong.

Thanks for explaining how the Democrats have the fortitude of a fat kid getting picked on at the playground who goes home and cries to his mommy.

Seriously, do you people think Roosevelt, Kennedy and Johnson would have been such wimps?

Exaggerate much?

I suppose you think that Dems should have shown their fortitude by engaging in the political equivalent of the Charge of the Light Brigade- that would have done the country a lot of good, right?

Remarkable how it all works in the mind of a wingnut- if dems duck, they're cowards, and if they stand up they're obstructionists...

And, of course, it's all about the Dems, not the policies of looting and fearmongering by repubs...

Hide and divert as much as you want, pal.

When John Kerry votes for a war that he believes is wrong, 'weighing politics', because he wants to be El Presidente, Country 2nd is the definition of what he's doing.

At least that Feingold guy has an ounce of integrity.

"However tempting it might be to some, when much trouble lies ahead, to step aside adroitly and put someone else up to take the blows, I do not intend to take that cowardly course, but, on the contrary, to stand to my post and persevere in accordance with my duty as I see it." - Winston Churchill

 

[Jhhnn]

John Kerry? Kinda behind the times, aren't you?

Many Dems voted for the resolution authorizing Bush to invade on the basis that diplomatic means would first be exhausted, which they weren't, and on the peddling of the resolution as a bargaining tool, a way to pressure Hussein into inspection compliance.

Hillary put in well in her speech at the time, citing the "awesome responsibility" placed on Bush to do the right thing, a responsibility he requested, and then blew out his ass when he ordered the invasion and truly screwed up methods of the early part of the occupation.

And, uhh, 21 dems voted against, only 2 repubs joined them... so it must be the fault of the cowardly dems, right? How lame. Bush put the gun to their heads, some of 'em flinched- some of 'em lost to rabidly pro-aggression repubs even when they did so... Given the timing and the fearmongering, raving, and disinformation that led up to the vote, passage was a no-brainer, a magnificent example of political blackmail...

http://www.senate.gov/legislat...7&vote=00237&session=2

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Hide and divert as much as you want, pal.

You're the one doing that.

When John Kerry votes for a war that he believes is wrong

John Kerry did not do that.

For those who did ot want the war, Bush did not give them a measure that war 'for the war' for them to vote against.

Bush denied war opponents any such position, by promising literally that a vote for the bill was *NOT* a "vote for war".

Bush said instead the question was not war but only whether to let Saddam continue to defy the Weapons inspectors.

Anyone who voted against the bill for the reason of opposing war was attacked by the Republicans as not voting against the war, but voting against the weapons inspections.

So your post is *dishonest*, as Bush was in his politics to get his war bill.

(And Jhhnn summarized it well as usual).

 

[ProfJohn]

Craig you are so full crap trying to trot out the 'they didn't vote for war' BS.

When it became clear that Bush was about to invade how many Democrats stood up and objected to it?????

 

[Jhhnn]

Please, PJ- Dems had made it clear that that many opposed it when the war resolution vote was taken, and the rest weren't ready to admit they'd been snookered and bullied.

They had reluctantly left it up to "The Decider", who'd already made up his mind to invade if possible, long before 9/11-

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...nutes/main592330.shtml

In the time between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, the conflation of Iraq and 9/11 was relentless- "9/11!- Osama!- 9/11!- Saddam!- 9/11!- Al qaeda!- 9/11!- Iraq!- 9/11!- Terrar!- 9/11!- Nukes!- 9/11!- WMD's!- 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!"

Or would you rather we forget?

9/11! was the all purpose excuse for everything, despite silly apologisms and diversionary attempts to put it off on the Dems...

Edit- this sums it up nicely-

http://politicalhumor.about.co...es/McCain-Bush-Hug.htm

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Please, PJ- Dems had made it clear that that many opposed it when the war resolution vote was taken, and the rest weren't ready to admit they'd been snookered and bullied.

They had reluctantly left it up to "The Decider", who'd already made up his mind to invade if possible, long before 9/11-

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...nutes/main592330.shtml

In the time between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, the conflation of Iraq and 9/11 was relentless- "9/11!- Osama!- 9/11!- Saddam!- 9/11!- Al qaeda!- 9/11!- Iraq!- 9/11!- Terrar!- 9/11!- Nukes!- 9/11!- WMD's!- 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!"

Or would you rather we forget?

9/11! was the all purpose excuse for everything, despite silly apologisms and diversionary attempts to put it off on the Dems...

Edit- this sums it up nicely-

http://politicalhumor.about.co...es/McCain-Bush-Hug.htm

Actually, it was Bill Clinton who made it policy for regime change in Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
John Kerry? Kinda behind the times, aren't you?

Many Dems voted for the resolution authorizing Bush to invade on the basis that diplomatic means would first be exhausted, which they weren't, and on the peddling of the resolution as a bargaining tool, a way to pressure Hussein into inspection compliance.

Hillary put in well in her speech at the time, citing the "awesome responsibility" placed on Bush to do the right thing, a responsibility he requested, and then blew out his ass when he ordered the invasion and truly screwed up methods of the early part of the occupation.

And, uhh, 21 dems voted against, only 2 repubs joined them... so it must be the fault of the cowardly dems, right? How lame. Bush put the gun to their heads, some of 'em flinched- some of 'em lost to rabidly pro-aggression repubs even when they did so... Given the timing and the fearmongering, raving, and disinformation that led up to the vote, passage was a no-brainer, a magnificent example of political blackmail...

http://www.senate.gov/legislat...7&vote=00237&session=2

Well, he was the last nominee of your joke of a party, so not that far behind!


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WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry voted for the Iraq war resolution in 2002 after weighing the political ramifications and being told by his future campaign manager that he would never be elected president in 2004 unless he sided with President Bush on the issue, according to a forthcoming book by Kerry's former strategist.

The book by veteran Democratic Party strategist Robert Shrum, titled "No Excuses," paints a portrait of an often-dysfunctional Kerry presidential campaign in which senior strategists clashed with each other.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Craig you are so full crap trying to trot out the 'they didn't vote for war' BS.

When it became clear that Bush was about to invade how many Democrats stood up and objected to it?????

Before or after hedging their position 6 different times?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So you believe that Bushes policies had nothing to do with the state of the economy?

I believe the biggest brunt falls to the mortgage crisis. Last time I checked Bush wasnt forcing anyone to issue loans. Now if you can provide documentation that Bush himself was calling these CEO's and threatening them then of course I would change my position.

Did Bush's policies have an effect on the economy? of course. As much as some people would like to think? Not by a long fucking shot.

Policies I would add that the Democrats have been supporting for a few years now as well..... But lets not let THAT little fact get in the way of a good ole Bush Bash shall we?

So according to your logic because the Democrats didn't stop Bush from fucking the country he gets a pass. That's some weak ass shit boy.

Lets take your idea and reverse it a bit.

The Democrats didnt stop it, therefore they share in the blame.

Thats some factual shit pops. Granted, its hard for the Koolaid drinkers to point the finger at their own party so I expect many replies of "Oh thats bullshit!".

Ok I can agree that the Democrats were some weak ass Bitches to let the Republicans bully them into letting those Republicans fuck our country over. So because the Republicans were able to do that I'm suppose to support them to do it again? Sounds like you are some kind of stooge and a fool if you think your logic is going to convince me to support your Party. Unlike you I refuse to be a fool..

You have no problems being an idiot, a terrorist, a traitor and a jackass. Why not be a fool too?

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh, please, TechAZ. Clinton's policy of regime change was inherited from GHWB, and both of them wisely held that invasion and occupation was not the way to achieve it...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So you believe that Bushes policies had nothing to do with the state of the economy?

I believe the biggest brunt falls to the mortgage crisis. Last time I checked Bush wasnt forcing anyone to issue loans. Now if you can provide documentation that Bush himself was calling these CEO's and threatening them then of course I would change my position.

Did Bush's policies have an effect on the economy? of course. As much as some people would like to think? Not by a long fucking shot.

Policies I would add that the Democrats have been supporting for a few years now as well..... But lets not let THAT little fact get in the way of a good ole Bush Bash shall we?

So according to your logic because the Democrats didn't stop Bush from fucking the country he gets a pass. That's some weak ass shit boy.

Lets take your idea and reverse it a bit.

The Democrats didnt stop it, therefore they share in the blame.

Thats some factual shit pops. Granted, its hard for the Koolaid drinkers to point the finger at their own party so I expect many replies of "Oh thats bullshit!".

Ok I can agree that the Democrats were some weak ass Bitches to let the Republicans bully them into letting those Republicans fuck our country over. So because the Republicans were able to do that I'm suppose to support them to do it again? Sounds like you are some kind of stooge and a fool if you think your logic is going to convince me to support your Party. Unlike you I refuse to be a fool..

You have no problems being an idiot, a terrorist, a traitor and a jackass. Why not be a fool too?

On the contrary, I would have a problem with being an idiot, a terrorist and a traitor if I were though I haven't a problem with a fool like you trying to label me as those. It's just sign of your desperation.