I'd be afraid the particles wouldn?t reform correctly and I?d end up like so many other people with my head up my ass. So maybe they already do have it.
Teleportation involves dematerializing an object at one point, and sending the details of that object's precise atomic configuration to another location, where it will be reconstructed. What this means is that time and space could be eliminated from travel -- we could be transported to any location instantly, without actually crossing a physical distance...
Physics confirms (theoretically) that teleportation is possible...though at the same time, some laws of physics make it impossible in our modern day..
For a person to be transported, a machine would have to be built that can pinpoint and analyze all of the atoms that make up the human body. That's more than a septillion (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) atoms. This machine would then have to send this information to another location, where the person's body would be reconstructed with exact precision. Molecules couldn't be even a millimeter out of place, lest the person arrive with some severe neurological or physiological defect.
Physics confirms (theoretically) that teleportation is possible...though at the same time, some laws of physics make it impossible in our modern day..
For a person to be transported, a machine would have to be built that can pinpoint and analyze all of the atoms that make up the human body. That's more than a septillion (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) atoms. This machine would then have to send this information to another location, where the person's body would be reconstructed with exact precision. Molecules couldn't be even a millimeter out of place, lest the person arrive with some severe neurological or physiological defect.
Forget a person, I'd like to see them transport a block of iron.
Hell, let's just forget about the rematerialization part for now.. I just want to see them beam a block of iron into the Delta quadrant.. lol
moshquerade
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i want to people teleport ... the "beam me up Scotty" mode.
and they said we'd never put a man on the moon, so...
and they said we'd never put a man on the moon, so...
Fritzo
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This point of the experiment is that they can coax particles into being at different points in the universe by influencing particles from a starting location. In effect, what would happen here is a "twin" is created, rather than moving the original. Like a teleporting photo copier.
Just what we need, a way to kill someone without ever having see their face by teleporting a rock into their brain. As if the world isn't already screwed up enough.
Everyone with any knowledge of classical, circa-1600s newtonian mechanics knew putting a man on the moon could easily be done with the (classical) laws of physics, and was simply a matter of trial-and-error to find the correct propulsion source and balance of other factors to do so. There was nothing about the task that surmounted the classical mechanics. We don't even have a framework to support teleportation of mass objects yet - it is quite a different dilemma.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Since you advised me to read a book after reading my post that it will never happen on the scale of humans, perhaps I can point out some glaring mistakes in your post.
1. You say time and space is eliminated... we could be transported instantly. Then, you state, "This machine would then have to send this information to another location." Have you ever heard of the speed of light? Information cannot be transported faster than the speed of light?
2. "Physics confirms (theoretically) that teleportation is possible...though at the same time, some laws of physics make it impossible in our modern day.. " Did you intend to contradict yourself within the same sentence? "is possible.... impossible." But, I suppose you're counting on the physics legislature to change the laws of physics in the future.
3. You want to pinpoint and analyze all the atoms in the body. Ever heard of that physics dude named "Heisenberg"??? The uncertainty principle isn't named "Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle" because he was just one of those guys in history who couldn't make up his mind.
4. "molecules couldn't even be a millimeter out of place"??? Well, yeah, I suppose. But, that's kinda like saying "we could re-create an exact replica of the earth, but mountains couldn't be even 1000 miles out of place, we'd have to have more precision than that. A millimeter is a HUUUUUGE distance compared to the size of a molecule. (well, the molecules we're talking about anyhow... a diamond can be argued to be one big molecule, and something like a crosslinked thermoset resin could be argued to also be one gigantic molecule) I'll let this one go on the presumption that you think people in this forum couldn't understand measurements smaller than 1 millimeter. I'd just hate to think that if even 1/1000 of a millimeter was sufficiently close, how much my DNA would change by.
they have been working on teleportation for a while, last i saw on the discovery channel was they were able to teleport atoms and some basic structors BUT this is how it works so i would NEVER EVER use one..... what it does is map what needs to be teleported then destroys it!!!!! then on the other side the map is read of the breakdown of the object and using the atoms like an ingredient list it is put back together...
so if that was to work yes you can teleport form california to say ny but basically you would be killed and a cloen would be made on the othr side that would think it is you.
BAH to that!
so if that was to work yes you can teleport form california to say ny but basically you would be killed and a cloen would be made on the othr side that would think it is you.
BAH to that!
Fritzo
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I think what they'll eventually do is come up with some form of "matter compression" system, where they find that many objects are repeating patterns of molecule matricies. Once these patterns are down, they should be able to replicate items soon after. I think replication will be far easier than teleportation.
Well if we ever do try it with larger objects, lets just hope they do that on Mars first, "just in case"... 
But this raises the important question of "I". If we are indeed transported from one place to another, do we physically move from one location to another, or is our matter broken down, and simply rebuilt exactly some place else.
If this is the case do "I" die? do we cease to exist in that moment of transport, and is a new being indistinguishable from the last created in it's place?
How would we prove this concept one way or the other? And would you be willing to risk that reality to be transported? I think I wouldnt.
-Max
If this is the case do "I" die? do we cease to exist in that moment of transport, and is a new being indistinguishable from the last created in it's place?
How would we prove this concept one way or the other? And would you be willing to risk that reality to be transported? I think I wouldnt.
-Max
This also opens the door to the "do we really have a soul" room as well. Since there really is no physical manifestation of the soul, if we die and are recreated, what happens? If you're technically a nice person before you go, is there some possibility that you'll be evil when you are recreated?
or teleport myself directly to Dell to pick up the monitor
teleport the damn food directly to my mouth, better yet, to my stomach! i hate chewing!
teleport those GAP jeans up my legs! put them on without ever lifting my feet from the ground! WOW!
or, teleport a timed nuke to Iraq or Iran or Afghans. Why bother with troops!?
and, teleport me directly to the beds of Jessica Alba or Elisha Cuthbert, better yet, teleport me on top of them!
Quantum teleportation works, but it needs a classic information carrier (photons, radio waves, microwaves...), so it's not really teleportation.
It also requires the same amount and type of material on the other side because it only transmits the state of every particle, not the particles themselves. Copying humans this way seems to be impossible.
I don't think that the Star Trek version of teleportation is possible at our current technological level.
It also requires the same amount and type of material on the other side because it only transmits the state of every particle, not the particles themselves. Copying humans this way seems to be impossible.
I don't think that the Star Trek version of teleportation is possible at our current technological level.
Yes and perhaps take it a step further... is it possible for the teleporter to malfunction and replicate instead of teleport... combine this with the issue of a soul, and would it be possible to create yourself an evil twin?
-Max
#1
The Speed of Light Exceeded!
Some scientists now claim they have broken the ultimate speed barrier: the speed of light.
Particle physicists at the NEC Research Institute at Princeton apparently have indicated that light pulses can be accelerated to up to 300 times their normal velocity of 186,282 miles per second.
In work carried out by Dr. Lijun Wang, a pulse of light was transmitted towards a chamber filled with specially treated cesium gas. Before the pulse had fully entered the chamber, it had gone right through it and traveled an additional 60 feet across the laboratory. In effect it appeared to exist in two places at once, a phenomenon that Dr. Wang explains by saying it traveled 300 times faster than the normal velocity of light.
(Exact details of the findings remain confidential because they have been submitted to the international scientific journal, Nature, for review prior to possible publication.)
The implications would appear to be staggering. It could shatter Einstein's Theory of Relativity, since it depends in part on the speed of light being a constant and unbreachable. Needless to say, this research is destined to cause continuing controversy among physicists. (Barry Setterfield's controversial suggestions that the speed of light is not a constant have been highlighted in our Personal Update journal for many years.)
One interpretation of the Princeton experiment suggests that light arrived at its destination almost before it has started its journey: In effect, it appeared to be leaping forward in time. One of the possibilities is that if light could travel forward in time, it could carry information. This would breach one of the basic principles in physics-causality, which says that a cause must come before an effect.
In Italy, another group of physicists has also succeeded in breaking the light speed barrier. In a recently published paper, physicists at the Italian National Research Council described how they propagated microwaves at 25% above normal light speed. The group also speculates that it could prove possible to transmit information faster than light.
Dr. Guenter Nimtz, of Cologne University, recently gave a paper to a conference in Edinburgh describing how information can be sent faster than light. He believes, however, that this will not breach the principle of causality because the time taken to interpret the signal would fritter away all the savings. "The most likely application for this is not in time travel but in speeding up the way signals move through computer circuits," he said.
Dr. Raymond Chiao, professor of physics at the University of California at Berkeley, who is familiar with Wang's work, said he was impressed by the findings. Separate experiments carried out by Chiao indicate simultaneous multiple localities. He has shown that in certain circumstances photons-the particles which constitute light-could apparently jump between two points separated by a barrier in what appears to be zero time. The process, known as "tunneling," has been used to make some of the most sensitive electron microscopes.
The implications of Wang's experiments will, of course, arouse fierce debate. Many will question whether his work can be interpreted as proving that light can exceed its normal speed-suggesting that another mechanism may be at work.
Wang emphasizes that his experiments are relevant only to light and may not apply to other physical entities. But some scientists are beginning to accept that man may eventually exploit some of these characteristics for interstellar space travel.
The Nature of Reality
Wang's experiment is the latest and among the potentially most important evidences that the physical world may not operate according to the presently accepted conventions. In the new world that modern science is beginning to perceive, subatomic particles can apparently exist in two places at the same time-making no distinction between space and time.
The problem, according to Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Any instantaneous communication implied by the view of quantum physics would be tantamount to breaking the time barrier and would open the door to all kinds of unacceptable paradoxes.
Einstein and his colleagues were convinced that no "reasonable definition" of reality would permit such faster-than-light interconnections to exist. (Their argument is now known as the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox, or EPR paradox for short.)
Rather than believing that some kind of faster-than-light communication was taking place, Niels Bohr offered another explanation: If subatomic particles do not exist until they are observed, then one could no longer think of them as independent "things."
Thus, Einstein was basing his argument on an error when he viewed twin particles as separate. They were part of an indivisible system, and it was meaningless to think of them otherwise. In time, most physicists sided with Bohr and became content that his interpretation was correct.
#2
If you read all I have put in this thread responding to your comments, you will notice that physics does make quantum teleportation possible, but at the same time, our comprehension of this restricts us from teleporting "mass" specifically in the modern day (just because its possible, doesn't mean its possible for us to understand in this day in age because laws exist only based on what we "already" know, yet at the sametime, they are broken and rewritten based on "what we find out later"). As more is proven on the subject, great restructuring of theoretical physics from "modern" to "post-modern" will occur (as it has in the past)...
Just to add to the point, Einstein's Theory of Relativity (that you happened to lightly mention (speed of light etc.) discounted and violated all previous laws of physics that had existed before his theory, and at the same time, re-wrote the laws...
Physics is NOT unified...there is much to learn and understand on the quantum level..
I would view unification as an important stage in the attainment of absolute reality, but certainly not detachment from reality.
The foremost task in theoretical physics must be to unify the quantum
and relativity, the discrete and continuous aspects of physical reality and nature...
Einstein?s failure arose from the incompatibility between his Theory of General
Relativity (which explains the behavior of matter over large scales) and Quantum
Mechanics (which tells us how small things like atoms and electrons work).
#3 & 4
In 1993, Charles Bennett suggested that it is possible to transfer the quantum state of a particle onto another provided one does not get any information about the state in the course of this transformation. The centralpoint of Bennett?s idea is the use of an essential feature of quantum mechanics: entanglement. Entanglement describes correlations between quantum systems much stronger than any classical correlation could be. With the help of a so-called pair of entangled particles it is possible to circumvent the limitations caused by Heisenberg?s uncertainty principle. Bennett's idea was proven in a 1997 experiment just so you know...
The use of teleportation as a means of transport for humans still has considerable unresolved technical and philosophical issues, such as exactly how to record and reconstruct the human body accurately and whether destroying a human in one place and recreating a copy elsewhere would provide a sufficient experience of continuity of existence.
It is "not clear" if duplicating a human would require reproduction of the exact quantum state, requiring quantum teleportation that necessarily destroys the original, or whether macroscopic measurements would suffice.
In the nondestructive version, hypothetically a new copy of the individual is created with each teleportation, with only the copy subjectively experiencing the teleportation.
Technology of this type would have many other applications, such as virtual medicine (manipulating the stored data to create a copy better than the original), traveling into the future (creating a copy many years after the information was stored) and creating backup copies (creating a copy from recently stored information if the original was involved in a mishap).
Though the prediction and experimental realization of quantum teleportation are surely a great success of modern physics, we should be aware of the differences between the physical quantum teleportation and its science fiction counterpart. We will see that quantum teleportation transfers the quantum state from one particle to another, but doesn?t transfer mass. Furthermore the original state is destroyed in the course of teleportation, which means that no copy of the original state is produced. This is due to the no-cloning theorem, which says that it is impossible within quantum theory to produce a clone of a given quantum system.
And let me reiterate...
We learn that teleporting a quantum state does NOT have a natural speed limit..
And..
In this short review on quantum teleportation we deduced from the basic principles of quantum mechanics that it is possible to transfer the quantum state from one particle onto another over arbitrary distances. To do so, we need an entangled EPR pair of particles 2 and 3 which the sender and the receiver share. The sender has to perform a joint Bell-state measurement on the particle 1 to be teleported and his EPR particle 2. This Bell-state measurement instantaneously influences the EPR particle 3 of the receiver in a nonclassical way. To complete the teleportation the receiver must be informed about the result of the Bell-state measurement via a classical communication channel. Due to this information, he can apply a unitary transformation resulting in his particle 3 being in the state of the original particle. This is the theoretical scheme of quantum teleportation in brief.
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