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since Ultrabooks are themselves overpriced
citation needed
Ultrabooks have been a failure so far, due to price
This "failure" you speak of is just failure of some manufacturers' grand marketshare visions, not quality failure of actual products. Thus, irrelevant to a person making a buying decision.

Macbook Air sales are at 5+ million yearly and growing. Ultrabook demand is pretty strong.
 
Not sure if serious...

Why wouldn't I be? Plenty of people buy Macbook Air and just web browse and basic papers and email. Chromebook can do that 1/4 the price. I was considering Macbook Air for my daughter. Chromebook changed that. That's one sale lost for Apple.
 
Why wouldn't I be? Plenty of people buy Macbook Air and just web browse and basic papers and email. Chromebook can do that 1/4 the price. I was considering Macbook Air for my daughter. Chromebook changed that. That's one sale lost for Apple.
What Chromebooks actually compete with are cheap x86 netbooks and ARM-based tablets. If a Chromebook is enough for the job, I don't understand why you were considering an Air to begin with.
 
Why wouldn't I be? Plenty of people buy Macbook Air and just web browse and basic papers and email. Chromebook can do that 1/4 the price. I was considering Macbook Air for my daughter. Chromebook changed that. That's one sale lost for Apple.

Is a chrome book pleasant to use? In other words, is its performance another netbook?

I can see people being upset not being able to install real apps on their laptop.
 
What Chromebooks actually compete with are cheap x86 netbooks and ARM-based tablets. If a Chromebook is enough for the job, I don't understand why you were considering an Air to begin with.

Because the current Chromebook didn't exist two months ago. Air was overkill for our needs but the closest match.

Until netbooks come standard with higher res, SSD, and strong virus/malware protection, it can't compete. ARM based tablet is not a notebook.
 
citation needed
This "failure" you speak of is just failure of some manufacturers' grand marketshare visions, not quality failure of actual products. Thus, irrelevant to a person making a buying decision.

Macbook Air sales are at 5+ million yearly and growing. Ultrabook demand is pretty strong.

Scroll back and read the articles I linked, such as this part-

Nonetheless, there are some signs. IDC’s Chou noted that about 500,000 Ultrabooks have been sold worldwide to date, and that number might hit a million by the end of 2012. Given that both IDC and Gartner expect to see about 220 to 230 million notebook computers shipped during 2012, that would mean Ultrabooks would account for less than one half of one percent of worldwide notebook PC shipments in 2012. Intel’s persistent claims that Ultrabooks would account for 40 percent of notebook PC sales by the end of the year would therefore be wildly off

That is a failure.

Overpriced? Isn't it painfully obvious? You can get the exact same or better hardware in a slightly larger form factor for about 1/2 the price. Double the price of the alternative is, IMO, overpriced, and as shown above the market agrees with me based on the abysmal sales.
 
Surface Pro is not overpriced. If you know a better value high resolution x86 tablet with digitizer, please point it out. I'll probably buy one of the devices in this class as soon as they start shipping with 10W Haswell.

The price of the Surface Pro is about on par with other x86 laptop/tablet convertible options out there, so I don't really think that it's overpriced.

The Surface RT is another story... once you factor in it's mediocre hardware and limited software selection, I'm thinking that it should be priced around $349 with the other 10" Android tablets like it. Pricing it at $599 with a keyboard cover was insane, as only Apple can command those kind of profit margins.

Oh... and the Surface Pro should be able to play WOW just fine, although I can't imagine the experience being all that immersive with a 10" screen.
 
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as much as I think microsoft is two-faced when it comes to windows 8, Their surface pro is the only attractive windows 8 device I would get. They sure make good hardware, and if price is a motivation, then chromebook would be perfect (But you can't run Starcraft 2 on chromebook). But BACK ON TOPIC, he wants to run Starcraft 2 (a question I have for myself as well).

Well, to the op: My friend can run SC2 on his 13" Macbook pro Core2Duo 4GB ram @ 60 FPS, on low detail, max resolution 1280x800.

Given the i5 and the Intel HD4000 is superior, I don't think he'll have much of an issue.
 
Scroll back and read the articles I linked, such as this part-
That is a failure.
If Porsche said they are going to capture 60% marketshare in passenger car market by the end of 2013, and instead of that happening they "merely" retained their margins, built even better cars and sold twice as many as before, using your logic we should deduce "Porsches are a failure and no one should buy Porsches". But failure to meet some random absurd sales expectation says nothing about the product. It's not a "failure" of any consequence to the customer. It's irrelevant to this discussion which is from a customer perspective.
Overpriced? Isn't it painfully obvious? You can get the exact same or better hardware in a slightly larger form factor for about 1/2 the price. Double the price of the alternative is, IMO, overpriced,
What's painfully obvious is that you don't understand the value of the form factor. Two years ago I switched to an ultrabook from a laptop with a same size screen; the relatively slight form factor change has made a great practical difference, and it is worth a lot of money to me and others for whom it is actually relevant.

You are also exaggerating the price premium. Even if you are willing to accept +50% weight and +50% volume, you cannot get hardware with equivalent performance, build quality and usability to a Macbook Air at anywhere near half the price.
and as shown above the market agrees with me based on the abysmal sales.
Only if you ignore the largest ultrabook vendor which currently sells about 90% of all ultrabooks. Total ultrabook sales are at ~6 million yearly and growing. They are starting to be a considerable presence in $1k+ price segment, which is where all worthwhile work laptops are anyway.
 
If Porsche said they are going to capture 60% marketshare in passenger car market by the end of 2013, and instead of that happening they "merely" retained their margins, built even better cars and sold twice as many as before, using your logic we should

Do you need some help with the math? Regular laptop sales: 220 million+ Ultrabook sales: 1 million. Selling an "extra" 1 million ultrabooks is not even remotely close to "twice as many as before". It's a fraction of a percent. It's statistical noise, and it's simply evidence of the colossal failure ultrabooks have been.

Only if you ignore the largest ultrabook vendor which currently sells about 90% of all ultrabooks.

Macbook Air isn't an ultrabook. Ultrabook was a concept designed to compete with it. Apples has NEVER referred to the Air as an ultrabook, and never will, because it isn't one. The ultrabook concept was invented by intel.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ultrabook/shop-ultrabook.html

Do you see Apple listed? Nope. Apple doesn't sell an ultrabook.

Why is the air successful while ultrabooks are not? I can't know for sure, but I suspect it's all in the marketing. Apple customers are accustomed to overpaying for things, and willing to spend an extra $400 for the Apple name, so the air doesn't seem to be all that overpriced. But for a Dell or Acer or HP customer, price is very important, and the idea of paying a massive premium just to get a slightly thinner laptop? Hell no.
 
Both are overpriced. I see Chromebooks taking sales away from Macbook Air in the future.

I own both, and that simply won't happen. The Chromebook is a poor substitute for a laptop and a poor substitute for a tablet.


Macbook Air isn't an ultrabook. Ultrabook was a concept designed to compete with it. Apples has NEVER referred to the Air as an ultrabook, and never will, because it isn't one. The ultrabook concept was invented by intel.

Uh, the Macbook Air is pretty much the text book definition of a well done ultrabook. Intel spec'd out the ultrabook standard to sell their ULV chips in lines of ultrathin laps. Apple doesn't call it an ultrabook, but thats like saying their Mac Pro isn't a desktop computer. Because its, you know, shiny.
 
Uh, the Macbook Air is pretty much the text book definition of a well done ultrabook. Intel spec'd out the ultrabook standard to sell their ULV chips in lines of ultrathin laps. Apple doesn't call it an ultrabook, but thats like saying their Mac Pro isn't a desktop computer. Because its, you know, shiny.

It's not shipped with windows, that is a biggie. For me and you it might be nothing to reload the OS, but for the majority of average consumers it's akin to witchcraft.

That, and the Apple tax. If you gotta pay an extra $200-$400 for an Apple PC anyway, the price premium of the Air doesn't look so bad compared to paying a similar premium for a Dell or HP that can't run Mac OS X.
 
So yesterday, I saw this babe walking down the street. I asked for her number and she rejected me. Then I showed her I had an Solid State Drive powered by intel, and she questioned my motive. It wasn't until I showed her the sticker "Speed Demon" that came with the solid state drive that she called the authorities.

I knew I should've shown her my "iPod Touch" first..
 
So yesterday, I saw this babe walking down the street. I asked for her number and she rejected me. Then I showed her I had an Solid State Drive powered by intel, and she questioned my motive. It wasn't until I showed her the sticker "Speed Demon" that came with the solid state drive that she called the authorities.

I knew I should've shown her my "iPod Touch" first..

I think she'd call the authorities either way. :biggrin:
 
I heard the same story when ARM based tablets were brand new and the Xoom was ~$700. Just because it's new and somewhat unique doesn't mean it's not overpriced. A couple years later tablets were selling for $200, with superior specs.

Wait a few years and there will be feature-identical devices at half the price. The surface is overpriced.

Surface Pro is NOT a tablet it is a Ultrabook replacement.
The RT is the true tablet.

And yes you can use Bluetooth mice keyboards and more..
as well as USB devices.

It is priced exactly with the other devices in the same class.
People need to get the tablet thing out of their heads and compare it apples to apples and not apples to oranges. The pro is not going after the Ipad or Android market.. it is going for the MBA and Ultrabook markets.
 
Surface Pro is NOT a tablet it is a Ultrabook replacement.
The RT is the true tablet.

And yes you can use Bluetooth mice keyboards and more..
as well as USB devices.

It is priced exactly with the other devices in the same class.
People need to get the tablet thing out of their heads and compare it apples to apples and not apples to oranges. The pro is not going after the Ipad or Android market.. it is going for the MBA and Ultrabook markets.

There is no Ultrabook market, I've been trying to hammer this home through the whole thread but nobody seems to understand. They have not caught on outside of a small niche, and probably never will. The Air is mildly successful only because it's an Apple product, and as such some people seem to be willing to pay the premium. Also it runs OS X without any arm-twisting.

If the Surface Pro is trying to take some percentage of the Ultrabook market, it's going to sell very poorly indeed. The entire ultrabook market is smaller than the number of Nexus 7 tablets sold, for example. It's the wrong market to focus on if you want to launch a successful product.
 
There is no Ultrabook market, I've been trying to hammer this home through the whole thread but nobody seems to understand. They have not caught on outside of a small niche, and probably never will. The Air is mildly successful only because it's an Apple product, and as such some people seem to be willing to pay the premium. Also it runs OS X without any arm-twisting.

If the Surface Pro is trying to take some percentage of the Ultrabook market, it's going to sell very poorly indeed. The entire ultrabook market is smaller than the number of Nexus 7 tablets sold, for example. It's the wrong market to focus on if you want to launch a successful product.

You need some new numbers. The stuff I'm seeing now shows about 10%, which is a huge difference from the July numbers you keep going on about.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121210PD209.html
http://bgr.com/2012/12/04/ultrabook-shipments-windows/
 
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