Will Steam Box determine Nvidia's GPU fate?

[Homeles]

No. As demonstrated by Shintai, you don't create content that is worth my time.

 

[psoomah]

I think what may determine nVidia's doom-and-gloom fate is the lack of flexibility, adaption, innovation, vision, creation, invention and timing, not necessarily the win or loss of the Steam box.

As far as I am aware, Nvidia is not known for notably lacking any of those attributes. What is DOES lack is an viable console capable CPU of it's own to pair up with it's GPU IP to provide an integrated offer able to win a place in one or more of the next gen consoles.

It appears to be still in the running for Steam Box inclusion.

 

[psoomah]

No. As demonstrated by Shintai, you don't create content that is worth my time.

Just sufficiently worth your while to come here just to shit on my thread while contributing absolutely nothing (of worth or otherwise) on topic.

Pretty much the definition of a forum loooooser.

Not to mentions a blatant breach of any number of forum rules.

 

[Homeles]

Just sufficiently worth your while to come here just to shit on my thread while contributing absolutely nothing (of worth or otherwise) on topic.

Pretty much the definition of a forum loooooser.

Not to mentions a blatant breach of any number of forum rules.

Your hypocrisy is amusing.

 

[psoomah]

"likely" ?

No, I don't think so.

AMD APU performance has reached the level of a $50-75 discrete card, it's far below what is needed to make 79xx cards obsolete.

Unless you're trying to predict that AMD will give up on competing in the GPU market like they've done with mdrange to high end desktop CPUs?

I did predict AMD will give up competing in the mid and high end desktop pure CPU market .... that is to say taper off development of it's FX line of chips.

I also predicted FUTURE AMD APU's will become gaming monsters that will shred the Intel/Nvidia competition.

 

[psoomah]

Your hypocrisy is amusing.

Got anything on topic substantive to add to this thread?

 

[AnandThenMan]

I can't help but think if Nvidia is shut out of all the new consoles, that will indeed be a major problem for them. If this does happen, the only choice Nvidia will have is to produce and sell their own game console, assuming Nvidia does want to stay in the consumer gaming market.

 

[psoomah]

I can't help but think if Nvidia is shut out of all the new consoles, that will indeed be a major problem for them. If this does happen, the only choice Nvidia will have is to produce and sell their own game console, assuming Nvidia does want to stay in the consumer gaming market.

Guess that would be the six years in the making Project Shield showing to test the waters. It currently requires specific GeForce cards to work. It might have traction if Nvidia gets in Steam Box, it would have potential as a Steam Box in house thin client for high end gaming. That might also dovetail with Nvidia's 3-d glasses strategy which could interface with the handheld. Per Gabe's one Steam Box, several gaming thin clients, several people could be playing on the Shield simultaneously. Being able to do local lag less multiplayer in real time would make that a pretty hot prospect. Everyone brings their own Shield and instant multiplayer LAN party.

Be interesting to see what's going on behind the scenes at Valve. AMD has got to be going all out to secure the Steam Box contract completing it's console hegemony while Nvidia has to be even more desperate to get in the Steam Box as it's last hope of staying competitive in a highly lucrative market segment it dominated for years.

I would imagine Intel is in the mix too. They have a lot to lose with an AMD gaming hegemony also.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I agree with what you're saying about the STEAM box, Nvidia needs their GPU in the thing, they can't afford to be a non player in every single console. My gut feeling is they will find a way, or just go it on their own. Which is not such a bad idea, an Nvidia branded console has a lot of potential.

But no matter how you slice it, only AMD has the ability to give you the complete CPU/GPU package, unless a some iteration of ARM becomes fast enough to compete. But I don't see that happening in the time frame we are going to see the Xbox next, PS4, and STEAM box. This could be a situation where Intel and Nvidia have a common enemy and will pool their resources to get into the STEAM box.

 

[blastingcap]

NVidia wants to be part of the cloud gaming ecosystem, that is where they see the future taking us. So actually, to them, it doesn't matter as much if they aren't in consoles. Only time will tell if they are right. And if we get Google Fiber in the top 40 metro areas within five years, for instance, they may be a lot more right than some people think. (Although realistically it would probably take longer... I'm just giving a hypothetical example.)

 

[AnandThenMan]

5 years is a long time. Can't see Nvidia sitting back and saying, well we didn't get the console contracts but in half a decade we'll be mopping the floor with our cloud gaming infrastructure. Whatever happens, I am confident Nvidia will stay relevant in gaming in the short and long term.

 

[psoomah]

But no matter how you slice it, only AMD has the ability to give you the complete CPU/GPU package, unless a some iteration of ARM becomes fast enough to compete. But I don't see that happening in the time frame we are going to see the Xbox next, PS4, and STEAM box. This could be a situation where Intel and Nvidia have a common enemy and will pool their resources to get into the STEAM box.

For the consoles to release in 2013 chip have to be or shortly entering mass production, meaning the final design was finalized two years ago. ARM is out of the picture.

I agree this is a situation Intel and Nvidia might well be collaborating on and one in which Intel and Nvidia might cut Valve an eye opening deal on a CPU and GPU for it's own branded Steam Box. Which they would make up selling that same CPU and GPU at a higher price point into the wider Steam Box ecosystem.

 

[psoomah]

NVidia wants to be part of the cloud gaming ecosystem, that is where they see the future taking us. So actually, to them, it doesn't matter as much if they aren't in consoles. Only time will tell if they are right. And if we get Google Fiber in the top 40 metro areas within five years, for instance, they may be a lot more right than some people think. (Although realistically it would probably take longer... I'm just giving a hypothetical example.)

A very hypothetical example. The existing cable and Telco operators are going to be fighting tooth and and nail to protect their turfs and data capping like mad to maximize their profits and they have a massive and well established lobbying presence in Washington D.C. spreading lots of money around to help their cause.

Any Google Fiber rollout is going to be VERY slow.

Sony and Microsoft are both hard at work on their cloud gaming plays. Nvidia is facing hurricane headwinds to any non-partnered gaming play.

 

[psoomah]

5 years is a long time. Can't see Nvidia sitting back and saying, well we didn't get the console contracts but in half a decade we'll be mopping the floor with our cloud gaming infrastructure. Whatever happens, I am confident Nvidia will stay relevant in gaming in the short and long term.

If Nvidia loses Steam Box I see no avenue they can stay relevant in the gaming space. Sony and Microsoft are both hard at work building their Gaming Cloud infrastructure.

Gabe made the point the Steam Box will be all about a local (in house) 'cloud', though what that might expand to in the future is unknown.

AMD clearly intends to leverage it's console synergies to market future APU gaming monsters. I expect what it releases in 2014 using then available fabrication technology, will be flat out high end gaming chips able to run console ported PC games on highest setting at 1080. High end gaming cards will be superfluous unless one is running multiple monitors or 2560 monitors.

That's a very specialized niche market and at that AMD 9xxx GPU cards are bound to have a synergy~performance edge.

To stay relevant in gaming Nvidia has to provide gaming hardware that is competitive. Nvidia does have it's GRID server program and that does look promising, but that is far from assured.

Steam Box ... make or break for Nvidia gaming.

 

[tviceman]

39 posts in this thread prior to this one, and psoomah has 19 of them. It's like he's carrying on a conversation with himself. And how many other forums did you start this same thread at? 3? 4?

 

[psoomah]

39 posts in this thread prior to this one, and psoomah has 19 of them. It's like he's carrying on a conversation with himself. And how many other forums did you start this same thread at? 3? 4?

Posters who go on threads for the sole purpose to off topic carp and shit in their own shoes to an imaginary audience is a well know and understood phenomenon and what that indicates about their mental state and capacity is also well known and understood.

If I cared even the slightest I would feel pity, but I don't. I'm just damn glad the creator endowed me otherwise.

 

[Lonyo]

Logic based rational arguments debating any of the actual OP points made would lend credence to your claim. And evidence against what appears to be an obvious case of projection.

Quite literally, any shit for brains can (and often does) make a statement like that, it takes real brains to formulate rational logic based responses to specific points.

I'm waiting with bated breath.

You don't even understand what "the" "Steam box" is. How can anyone respond to you further in a logical and rational manner when you refuse to acknowledge that your base understanding of the whole issue is wrong.

You're also making one massive assumption that has no evidence.
That "the" "Steam box" will be relevant to the PC gaming market. There is no evidence to suggest it will be.
In this instance I am personally defining a Steam Box as a Linux based PC running Steam.
And there is no Linux gaming right now, and that will have to get traction, along with a very affordably priced gaming system, to go anywhere, otherwise people will just buy a Windows based gaming PC that runs Steam (aka another form of "Steam box".)

The Linux Steam Box can only have relevance or impact if people buy it.
Most people wouldn't buy it, based on what's been indicated so far (that it's not even SUPPOSED to be for everyone to buy... per Gabe N, only for some people, with other choices, aka regular gaming PCs running Steam, being the option for other people, those other people being people who actually want to play games).

 

[AnandThenMan]

Lonyo you complain about assumptions, then go on to make a whole whack of them yourself.

That "the" "Steam box" will be relevant to the PC gaming market. There is no evidence to suggest it will be.

I completely disagree with this.

 

[Ibra]

To stay relevant in gaming Nvidia has to provide gaming hardware that is competitive.

OK. Nvidia goes quantum.

And why everyone is so sure that consoles will help AMD? Both Xbox 360 and PS3 has been sold 70 million units. How much money AMD/Nvidia got?

 

[Lonyo]

Lonyo you complain about assumptions, then go on to make a whole whack of them yourself.

I completely disagree with this.

A Steam box will just be a regular PC... with Steam on it. Typically running Linux.

At least for the next few years this will be the case, at which point Valve will then be doing what everyone else is also doing.
Most of "Valve"'s ideas are just the ideas of other people... but implemented by Valve, or Valve just straight up using their ideas as-is, such as NV's Grid for an internal cloud, or new controllers that people like Microsoft have already shown off.

Nothing that Gabe has said about the Steam box or any of his ideas are new or original, it's just taking ideas from other people and saying they are good ideas that they hope to implement in the future.
The real work is going to be what other people do to develop those ideas ,which then Valve and other people will be able to implement themselves.

Find something Gabe or Valve have said which indicates the Steam Box will have any kind of special features above what is commercially available, or any of his ideas which are new regarding the Steam box.

 

[psoomah]

You don't even understand what "the" "Steam box" is. How can anyone respond to you further in a logical and rational manner when you refuse to acknowledge that your base understanding of the whole issue is wrong.

Just can't quite wrap your head around the 'on topic articulated response to a specific post point' thing can you?

You're also making one massive assumption that has no evidence.
That "the" "Steam box" will be relevant to the PC gaming market. There is no evidence to suggest it will be.

Well, Gabe is known as a wildly impractical blue sky mentally impaired all around failure without a single successful endeavor under his belt ... so I might have to grant you that point.

In this instance I am personally defining a Steam Box as a Linux based PC running Steam.

In the Valve interview 'Blue sky' Gabe defined Valve's branded Steam Box as a Linux based PC running Steam, so I'll have to give you points for some bold and daring prognosticating right there. Kudos.

And there is no Linux gaming right now, and that will have to get traction, along with a very affordably priced gaming system, to go anywhere, otherwise people will just buy a Windows based gaming PC that runs Steam (aka another form of "Steam box".)

Brilliant! I'm betting Gabe would find that insight really really useful. Is it asking too much that you move heaven and earth to make sure Gabe gets that information?

The Linux Steam Box can only have relevance or impact if people buy it.

Do the brilliant revelations never stop? Please add this info to your Gabe Missive.

Most people wouldn't buy it, based on what's been indicated so far (that it's not even SUPPOSED to be for everyone to buy... per Gabe N, only for some people, with other choices, aka regular gaming PCs running Steam, being the option for other people, those other people being people who actually want to play games).

That does it!! You've converted me. 'Blue Sky' Gabe obviously has his head very very far up his ass and will fail miserably.

And to think I used to admire that man.

 

[Lonyo]

He's making a standard PC... that runs Linux, on which a Linux version of Steam will run.

So yes, he has his head up his ass and it will fail miserably.
He's making a Linux gaming PC.
In order to succeed, people need to make Linux games.

Hardware is entirely irrelevant, because no one will buy it unless it's monsterously cheap, which it won't be unless Valve massively subsidise it, because it's just a basic PC. Running Linux. For gaming.

 

[Imouto]

And why everyone is so sure that consoles will help AMD? Both Xbox 360 and PS3 has been sold 70 million units. How much money AMD/Nvidia got?

I guess the key point here is the PC market shrinking.

Hardware is entirely irrelevant, because no one will buy it unless it's monsterously cheap, which it won't be unless Valve massively subsidise it, because it's just a basic PC. Running Linux. For gaming.

Kindle like maybe? Kindle is the best and cheapest e-reader.

 

[blackened23]

Gabe Newell stated that the steam box will allow windows 7 or 8 to be installed, and they will make no attempts to prevent that. Also it should be noted that the Xi device isn't the official steambox - valve is allowing other manufacturers freedom in making devices that are stream friendly.

I just don't see linux gaming picking up that much steam this year, maybe they'll surprise me. But if not, you can always revert to windows 7 I guess?

 

[Arachnotronic]

AMD's GPU division as a whole made $18M in profit last quarter. Nvidia's GeForce division alone made $193M. This does not include Quadro/Tesla which raked in another $100M in profit. I think one of these companies is much better managed than the other and knows what it is doing to control its "fate".