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Termie

Termie

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TheNiceGuy said:
Hi Termie

How about this:
http://s.kakaku.com/item/K0000431725/
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000387671/?lid=shop_itemview_recommend_1
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000360494/?lid=shop_itemview_recommend_2
http://s.kakaku.com/item/K0000320521/
http://s.kakaku.com/item/K0000426288/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_image

That should bring me up just over 6man yen.
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The i5-3470 and an HD7850 2GB is an excellent build with lots of gaming potential. As long as it's in your budget, it's the way to go.

Two tips:
(1) just confirm that the memory kit is 8GB, rather than 4GB. I can't tell due to it being in Japanese.
(2) check whether there are any HD7870 cards within 10% of the price of that HD7850. If so, they are worth the extra cost, as they're about 20% faster. I know we're pushing up against your budget here, but in the U.S., the HD7850 and HD7870 are almost the same price, making it an obvious choice.
 
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TheNiceGuy said:
Ya, the memory is 2 4gb sticks, 8gb total.
The 7870s are close enough in price not to be a problem. There's a few. Here's a couple:
http://s.kakaku.com/item/K0000353698/
http://s.kakaku.com/item/K0000353688/
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Wow, the MSI HD7870 is actually cheaper than the Sapphire HD7850 you'd chosen previously. That's definitely the way to go, getting more performance for less money.

Others may have additional insights, but in my opinion, you're good to go. The i5-3470/HD7870 combo is enough to run BF3 multiplayer at 1080p with every setting maxed out (although you might turn off 4x MSAA to get faster performance). I think you'll be satisfied.
 
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A core i5 will probably be fine at high settings or so in bf4. A i3 will be more like one notch lower. The Ssd won't make any difference in bf4.

And I have used pcs with Ssds and hdds interchangeably and can tell zero difference in system usage except for booting in a few seconds less and perhaps half the game loading times. But in regular desktop usage zero difference, I can't tell whether a system has a Ssd or HDD. And I am super finicky about stutter or microstutter or less than 60 fps and frame times and so on,
 
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That's interesting. I remember playing a game before, can't remember which game it is now, but I could hear the hard drive boot at certain points in game and there was a brief pause while it loaded.
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
And I have used pcs with Ssds and hdds interchangeably and can tell zero difference in system usage except for booting in a few seconds less and perhaps half the game loading times. But in regular desktop usage zero difference, I can't tell whether a system has a Ssd or HDD. And I am super finicky about stutter or microstutter or less than 60 fps and frame times and so on,
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You sir are an extraordinarily patient man. I can tell instantly when a computer is using an HDD. Do you really not notice the extra several seconds it takes to load programs? Or to display a big folder full of files?
 
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The big difference for me is the boot time and game loading times. My friend's "fast" travel on Skyrim takes over a minute to load on the PS3. I don't even see the load screen--just a brief flash of black.
 
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Hi guys, sorry for taking so long to buy, I just want to make sure I'm happy with the purchase and it meets my overall goals.
I'm going to drop the SDD for now. Waiting for loading is really not important to me. I can always add one later in the future if a drive fails or something.
Regarding the processors:
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000387671/?lid=shop_itemview_recommend_1
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000215608/
Is there a huge gap in Battlefield performance? It's about $90 more after all fees. I searched Google for discussions, but they kind of trailed off topic. I looked on Youtube for actual gameplay differences, and even accounting for rendering degradation, they both looked pretty good to me, although it was difficult to tell, and there were only a few older videos.
I forgot to mention I'm not interested in overclocking or bragging rites on benchmarks, that sort of thing, I just want to have some fun. The actual gameplay online is the most important feature to me. In fact, if the BFBC2 servers were full and low ping, and my GPU wasn't failing, I'd be totally fine just keep on playing that. I know this may be sacrilegious to say on a computer hardware forum, but if I can save a bunch of money by turning off a minor game graphical feature, I'd rather do that. However, I don't want the game chugging so bad its literally unplayable or crashing.
I'm leaning towards the i5 system. That'll be about 50000 yen with all fees. Just want to make sure I'm not spending extra on things that aren't important to me.
Anyway, thanks again for your help.
 
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You'll see a big difference between the dual and quad in big BF3 multiplayer games. It's one of the few games that can actual scale to 4 cores.
 
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OK, so here's the final list. I feel pretty good about this one. I was uncomfortable with "future proofing" (for BF4 or otherwise), as that didn't work out on my other builds. But IIUC, this gear all is good bang for buck right now on BF3 on my current hardware and display, and very likely to be used for BF4. Just wanted to make sure BF4 wouldn't use some wacky new hardware or 32GB of RAM or something. Keeping the price low like we've done makes it easier for me to accept any disappointments with the experience as a whole.

i5-3470 http://kakaku.com/item/K0000387671/?lid=shop_itemview_recommend_1
8gb RAM http://kakaku.com/item/K0000320521/
7870 http://kakaku.com/item/K0000353688/
H61 http://kakaku.com/item/K0000369003/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_image

Just to clarify, the main difference in the cheaper MB I selected is slower SSD support?
BTW, I figured out the prices (mainly on the GPUs and CPUs) are going up and down like yoyos daily. It was really confusing me at first. I think what's going on is that primarily smaller shops will drop the price for a day or so just to attract business. I prefer Amazon though, as its much easier, has English support, and the smaller shops often have a convoluted signup process and pepper me with junk mail afterwards.

Anyway, if this is a go, I'll order it and be done with it. Thanks for your help everybody..
 
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Just be aware that H61 mobos were initially made for Sandy Bridge and might arrive needing a BIOS update to be Ivy compliant... which would be problematic. I would encourage checking for an H77 series board (there should be some around the same price/feature set).

Also, I'm coming to this late, so if this was addressed earlier maybe it's a non-issue.
 
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jackstar7 said:
Just be aware that H61 mobos were initially made for Sandy Bridge and might arrive needing a BIOS update to be Ivy compliant... which would be problematic. I would encourage checking for an H77 series board (there should be some around the same price/feature set).

Also, I'm coming to this late, so if this was addressed earlier maybe it's a non-issue.
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Yikes! Was hoping for a thumbs up and to order tonight. Even had a couple of drinks to numb the pain of amputating my money.
These are the H77 boards:
http://kakaku.com/search_results/h77/?category=0001_0036&nkey=&act=Sort&sort=priceb
The cheapest one is about 6500yen, the same price as the B75 boards mentioned earlier.
What do you recon?
 
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Huh. I really expected there would be price parity.

If there's any chance you can get someone to confirm the H61 will come with the latest BIOS/UEFI, then you should be fine... I didn't mean to make you worry about something new.

I actually forgot there were B75 boards... but again, it should be possible to find a less expensive board with those chipsets. I'm surprised there's such a jump.

Hopefully someone else can weigh in on this.
 
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jackstar7 said:
Huh. I really expected there would be price parity.

If there's any chance you can get someone to confirm the H61 will come with the latest BIOS/UEFI, then you should be fine... I didn't mean to make you worry about something new.

I actually forgot there were B75 boards... but again, it should be possible to find a less expensive board with those chipsets. I'm surprised there's such a jump.

Hopefully someone else can weigh in on this.
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There's no way for me to find that out.
BTW, here's the B75 boards, they start at about 5,500 yen:
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000430510/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_image
 
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jackstar7 said:
Huh. I really expected there would be price parity.

If there's any chance you can get someone to confirm the H61 will come with the latest BIOS/UEFI, then you should be fine... I didn't mean to make you worry about something new.

I actually forgot there were B75 boards... but again, it should be possible to find a less expensive board with those chipsets. I'm surprised there's such a jump.

Hopefully someone else can weigh in on this.
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Yeah, for some reason, the Ivy Bridge motherboards didn't have a low-end option like H61. The cheapest is H77, equivalent to H67. So there is no true "budget" buy.

TheNiceGuy said:
There's no way for me to find that out.
BTW, here's the B75 boards, they start at about 5,500 yen:
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000430510/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_image
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The B75 is your best choice given the pricing. You lose 2 of the 4 RAM slots, but as long as you're buying 2x4GB, you're probably OK there.
 
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Termie

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TheNiceGuy said:
OK, so this MB will do the job and have the latest bios/firmware?
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000426831/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_image
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jackstar7 said:
Well, we don't work there... but yeah, it should have a compatible bios. There's no way to know if you'll get the latest. That always depends on how long the product has been sitting on the shelf.

Might want to check reviews on that one at Newegg/amazon just to make sure folks are having good experiences.
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The B75 motherboard selected above will definitely have out-of-the-box support for an i5-3470.
 
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Termie said:
The B75 is your best choice given the pricing. You lose 2 of the 4 RAM slots, but as long as you're buying 2x4GB, you're probably OK there.
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Considering your long-term ownership of that mobo/PC, it would probably behoove you to get one with four memory slots. One of the reasons that PCs go obsolete, is that they cannot expand memory any more.

But if the price difference is significant, then it wouldn't hurt to get one with two slots, I guess.
 
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