Will socket 939 provide a stable upgrade path?

[Samsonid]

?? Will it be here to stay ?
or will it be phased out?
(just as 940 is being phased out by the end of 2004)

I am looking for the most stable upgrade path to build a new AMD system.
(When I say stable, I mean one that will require the least number of motherboard changes [preferably no changes] in the next 3-4 years)

Thanks

 

[pspada]

Who knows what pincount lurks in the mind of AMD?!? The Knowno knows......

 

[AkumaX]

i think 10000 pin count is the way of the future (up until 2008 )

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: AkumaX
i think 10000 pin count is the way of the future (up until 2008 )

LOL

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Samsonid
?? Will it be here to stay ?
or will it be phased out?
(just as 940 is being phased out by the end of 2004)

I am looking for the most stable upgrade path to build a new AMD system.
(When I say stable, I mean one that will require the least number of motherboard changes [preferably no changes] in the next 3-4 years)

Thanks

I think 939 will be stable. It seems to be the 478-pin Northwood to Socket 940's 423-Williamette...

 

[rgreen83]

I think 939 is the way to go. But the way things are changing (k9 by 2006, tejas in 2005, DDR2, PCI express, BTX form factor...) i would be sceptical of any motherboard lasting 3-4 years. And why does everyone keep saying 940 is being phased out? True it wont be a desktop socket by 2Q 2004 but it will live on as the opteron socket for a few more years at least.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: rgreen83
I think 939 is the way to go. But the way things are changing (k9 by 2006, tejas in 2005, DDR2, PCI express, BTX form factor...) i would be sceptical of any motherboard lasting 3-4 years. And why does everyone keep saying 940 is being phased out? True it wont be a desktop socket by 2Q 2004 but it will live on as the opteron socket for a few more years at least.

Because it is being phased out of the desktop market.

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Samsonid
?? Will it be here to stay ?
or will it be phased out?
(just as 940 is being phased out by the end of 2004)

I am looking for the most stable upgrade path to build a new AMD system.
(When I say stable, I mean one that will require the least number of motherboard changes [preferably no changes] in the next 3-4 years)

Thanks

I think 939 will be stable. It seems to be the 478-pin Northwood to Socket 940's 423-Williamette...

Do you think the 754 pin will be long lived as well?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Samsonid

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Samsonid
?? Will it be here to stay ?
or will it be phased out?
(just as 940 is being phased out by the end of 2004)

I am looking for the most stable upgrade path to build a new AMD system.
(When I say stable, I mean one that will require the least number of motherboard changes [preferably no changes] in the next 3-4 years)

Thanks

I think 939 will be stable. It seems to be the 478-pin Northwood to Socket 940's 423-Williamette...

Do you think the 754 pin will be long lived as well?

I do... I think it will be the value line. You'll probably be able to get Athlon-64 (not FX) and Athlon XP's in the future... I don't see the Athlon XP being phased out quite yet... it's an established name now... and value concious consumers will like the fact that AMD's top of the line CPU has now been demoted to their value line and they can get GREAT performance for a fraction of the cost.

 

[Samsonid]

I discovered this link with a lot of relevant info about the AMD roadmap

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Samsonid
I discovered this link with a lot of relevant info about the AMD roadmap

Nice, but it doesn't say too much about the future.

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Samsonid
I discovered this link with a lot of relevant info about the AMD roadmap

Nice, but it doesn't say too much about the future.

It goes up to 2005 (I didn't expect anyone to know beyond that)
I am trying to get a "feel" of the roadmap and make an educated guess.

Interesting ! The 939 pin SanDiego will not be introduced until Q3 2004
(...and here I was expecting it this January2004)

The 940 pin seems to go all the way to 2005 with the "Denmark" core
(...and here I was thinking it will be phased out Q4 2004)

Plus, it looks like the Athlon FX and the Opteron 1xx series are identical (interchangeable). Which means that the 940 pinout will last, at least, as long as the Opteron line lasts.
Interesting! (since I can not wait untill Q3 2004, it looks like the 940 may not be as bad after all ?)

Maybe I could wait for the FX51 prices to drop this December2003 when FX53 will be introduced?

 

[touchmyichi]

Just because the 939 socket might stay, that doesn't mean you'll be able to use the latest cpu's for it. Just wait about a good year. Honestly, you arent' going to need that kind of preformance pretty soon and an overclocked 2500+ or 2.8C will get you by perfectly fine. Its my general rule of thumb never to buy the first generation of new processors. Wait it out bud.

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Samsonid
I discovered this link with a lot of relevant info about the AMD roadmap

Nice, but it doesn't say too much about the future.

Does anyone speak Japaneese?

 

[Jeff7181]

It goes up to 2005

Ahhh... the 2nd ones didn't load the first time I looked at the page, just that first image did.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Samsonid

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Samsonid
I discovered this link with a lot of relevant info about the AMD roadmap

Nice, but it doesn't say too much about the future.

Does anyone speak Japaneese?

That only gives us that AMD is considering FBDIMMs for post DDR2. What concerns me about any roadmaps that go through 2005 or farther is that noe of them incorporate BTX. Though quite a few are incorporating PCI-X there are none that mention BTX. Is anand really jumping the gun on BTX that much?

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Samsonid
I discovered this link with a lot of relevant info about the AMD roadmap

No dual channel on XP through the end of the line on socket 764? That doesn't seem right. And there is no Dual channel on any of the current A64's Accept on the FX line?

And there will be a socket 940 FX-57 on the venus core and a socket 939 fx-57 on the San Diego core tha comes out before the socket 940???

And when the transition to New Castle from Claw Hammer the L2 cache wil be cut in half??

 

[DXM]

That only gives us that AMD is considering FBDIMMs for post DDR2. What concerns me about any roadmaps that go through 2005 or farther is that noe of them incorporate BTX. Though quite a few are incorporating PCI-X there are none that mention BTX. Is anand really jumping the gun on BTX that much?

I believe BTX will be up to motherboard manufacturers, case manufacturers and OEMs to adopt, not the job of AMD and Intel.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: DXM

That only gives us that AMD is considering FBDIMMs for post DDR2. What concerns me about any roadmaps that go through 2005 or farther is that noe of them incorporate BTX. Though quite a few are incorporating PCI-X there are none that mention BTX. Is anand really jumping the gun on BTX that much?

I believe BTX will be up to motherboard manufacturers, case manufacturers and OEMs to adopt, not the job of AMD and Intel.

Oh i realize that but you think it would at least be imortant enough to make the timelines if they are going to put things like ddr2 and whatever else on there. Changing the Form Factor is about as big a change as there is.

 

[Slaimus]

It boggles the mind that AMD would introduce a new socket with 1 less pin... just set one as not connected!

 

[Slaimus]

Also will 939 be the standard socket for A64 or only FXs? if it is for the 64, then that means future 64s will be dual channel. Dual channel + 256k cache is a far better solution than single channel + 1mb cache since it saves them a lot of money and improve yields.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Slaimus
It boggles the mind that AMD would introduce a new socket with 1 less pin... just set one as not connected!

They won't just cut off one pin

There's a lot of changes that they're doing... the FX right now is basically an Opteron with only one hyper transport link. In the future, the FX line will be more different than the Opteron.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Slaimus
It boggles the mind that AMD would introduce a new socket with 1 less pin... just set one as not connected!

They won't just cut off one pin

There's a lot of changes that they're doing... the FX right now is basically an Opteron with only one hyper transport link. In the future, the FX line will be more different than the Opteron.

If I'm not mistaken, removing that one pin lets them go to 4 layer motherboards instead of 6 layers, making boards cheaper to produce (thus being cheaper for us).

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Slaimus
It boggles the mind that AMD would introduce a new socket with 1 less pin... just set one as not connected!

They won't just cut off one pin

There's a lot of changes that they're doing... the FX right now is basically an Opteron with only one hyper transport link. In the future, the FX line will be more different than the Opteron.

If I'm not mistaken, cutting that one pin off lets them go to 4 layer motherboards instead of 6 layers, making boards cheaper to produce (thus being cheaper for us).

But they're not just pulling out their snips and chopping off a pin...

 

[MDE]

I should have rephrased that... they're removing the pin, not chopping it off.