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Will single payer in California save California or kill it?

Zebo

Zebo

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Twice California legislature has passed single payer, twice Arnold Vetoed it. With Jerry Brown enviably coming in and will probably sign such a bill California will have single payer UHC (for awhile at least until insurance and pharma put the mother of all initiatives on the ballot to overturn the legislation, no holds barred here on spending)

Anyway - I think a lot of companies would love it and flock again to the Golden state. It'll be way cheaper both administratively within company and absolutely to bottom line and portable.
 
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This would be awesome. But what happens if someone from outside of California (who is uninsured) needs medical attention while in California? Conversely, what happens when a California resident in another state and needs medical attention?
 
Unfortunately, Jerry Brown is a long way from coming in. A right-wing woman is a billiionare who has budgeted $150 million of her own money to buy attacks to win.

Brown faces the election in a time when the state recalled our last Democratic Governor to put Arnold in office, and there is an expected Republican surge in Obama's off-term.
 
Good question H, I don't know how that will be handled. I'm not a resident so I've never looked into the details. Just posited it could actually be a boon for California via businesses relocation.
 
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Craig234 said:
Unfortunately, Jerry Brown is a long way from coming in. A right-wing woman is a billiionare who has budgeted $150 million of her own money to buy attacks to win.

Brown faces the election in a time when the state recalled our last Democratic Governor to put Arnold in office, and there is an expected Republican surge in Obama's off-term.
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Interesting. I figured Jerry was automatic...Who is this woman?
 
She is following the traditional road to the governorship of California - a right-wing fox in moderate clothing.

Just as Arnold refused all debates until the last one, she had paid for three focus grou-tested sound-good slogans, and is smothering the state in parroting them.

She is reported refusing most reporters' questions.

That's what works - enough people hear the three things they like, and decide they like her, for her to get elected, without much noise from reporters. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter that the real issues are very different than her slogans, and more than it mattered that Republicans running against abortion would not be able to ban it.

We'll likely elect her for these wrong reasons, and quickly say 'gee, she kinda sucks, all politicians do, who knew?'

Hopefully Brown, possibly the most experienced state politicians in the US, will beat her.
 
Craig234 said:
She is following the traditional road to the governorship of California - a right-wing fox in moderate clothing.

Just as Arnold refused all debates until the last one, she had paid for three focus grou-tested sound-good slogans, and is smothering the state in parroting them.

She is reported refusing most reporters' questions.

That's what works - enough people hear the three things they like, and decide they like her, for her to get elected, without much noise from reporters. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter that the real issues are very different than her slogans, and more than it mattered that Republicans running against abortion would not be able to ban it.

We'll likely elect her for these wrong reasons, and quickly say 'gee, she kinda sucks, all politicians do, who knew?'

Hopefully Brown, possibly the most experienced state politicians in the US, will beat her.
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Yeah, if anything, she and Poizner are going to beat each other up in the primary. She's made it clear she's willing to go nasty with the ads. It's not going to be an automatic Brown win, but I think he'll pull it off.
 
rockyct said:
Yeah, if anything, she and Poizner are going to beat each other up in the primary. She's made it clear she's willing to go nasty with the ads. It's not going to be an automatic Brown win, but I think he'll pull it off.
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Thing is, Poizner has a tiny fraction of her money, and she can squish him easily IMO. The 'good' Republican running, Tom Campbell, can barely get seen by the public.
 
Zebo said:
Anyway - I think a lot of companies would love it and flock again to the Golden state. It'll be way cheaper both administratively within company and absolutely to bottom line and portable.
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Possibly, although to be fair there's a perception that CA has a poor business climate due to taxation, regulation, etc. It would be interesting to see how much employment figures would change due businesses being able to drop health benefits in lieu of "free" government healthcare and if it would make up for those other drawbacks.
 
Probably kill it. CA is a mess, its government a huge mess, and putting more into its hands right now will just accelerate decline.
 
glenn1 said:
Possibly, although to be fair there's a perception that CA has a poor business climate due to taxation, regulation, etc. It would be interesting to see how much employment figures would change due businesses being able to drop health benefits in lieu of "free" government healthcare and if it would make up for those other drawbacks.
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True, but look at how many car plants were built in Canada because they, car companies, did not have to worry about rising health care cost.
 
I haven't read the bill, but it's safe to assume that the cost will be paid by business taxes and an increase in tuition.
 
God bless California! They always seem to be on the forefront, testing the waters that other states would never dare and they pay a heavy price for it. May they drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st century!
 
GuitarDaddy said:
God bless California! They always seem to be on the forefront, testing the waters that other states would never dare and they pay a heavy price for it. May they drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st century!
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I wouldn't exactly say that since we did ban gay marriage after all.
 
GuitarDaddy said:
God bless California! They always seem to be on the forefront, testing the waters that other states would never dare and they pay a heavy price for it. May they drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st century!
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I view them as an experiment that teaches us valuable lessons on what not to do. Bankrupting themselves with a single payer system will send shockwaves across the nation.
 
Genx87 said:
I view them as an experiment that teaches us valuable lessons on what not to do. Bankrupting themselves with a single payer system will send shockwaves across the nation.
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We did hurt ourselves pretty bad by deregulating power companies.
 
Yeah, we have a 20billion dollar deficit, and were going to pay for eveyones healthcare. Democrats are so stupid.

Jerry Brown, mayor of Oakland, the murder, drugs, and gang capital of the state(and maybe even country) is the savior? LOL.
 
Zebo said:
Anyway - I think a lot of companies would love it and flock again to the Golden state. It'll be way cheaper both administratively within company and absolutely to bottom line and portable.
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Companies are the ones paying more so others can have it. They are the rich having their wealth more greatly redistributed by California than other states. UHC, along with any other tax and spend program, will only accelerate the exodus from the failed state.
 
Slew Foot said:
Yeah, we have a 20billion dollar deficit, and were going to pay for eveyones healthcare. Democrats are so stupid.

Jerry Brown, mayor of Oakland, the murder, drugs, and gang capital of the state(and maybe even country) is the savior? LOL.
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Isn't Jerry Brown the one who opened the flood gates to Unionizing state workers? No wonder the unions are all behind him.
 
Slew Foot said:
Yeah, we have a 20billion dollar deficit, and were going to pay for eveyones healthcare. Democrats are so stupid.

Jerry Brown, mayor of Oakland, the murder, drugs, and gang capital of the state(and maybe even country) is the savior? LOL.
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Well, that's idiotic. Without even getting into your first claim, on your second, being mayor of a town that has had a concentration of the poor and criminal makes you a bad mayor?

If I make you mayor of Oakland tomorrow, can I say you suck because it has high crime and poverty in parts?

Do you know anything about what Brown did good or bad as mayor ABOUT those problems? It sure doesn't show from your post.

You know, the governor of a poor state sure sucks, his state is poor. Obviously that makes him bad, doesn't matter what he does to improve it.
 
Zebo said:
Anyway - I think a lot of companies would love it and flock again to the Golden state. It'll be way cheaper both administratively within company and absolutely to bottom line and portable.
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Do you ever stop to ask who will pay for it? I'll give you a hint, it won't be those on welfare or the unemployed.
 
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