Will SATA always be so complicated to install?

[overst33r]

Im wondering if SATA harddrives are always going to be so complicated to install because lots of people say that it is. I know that there is people out there that can do it with no sweat but for the average person there are always problems. So what im asking is will sata ever be as simple as the IDE standard in regards to the installation?

 

[ApacheChief]

The average person is the person who does it right, I'd think. They'd follow the guide closely and precisely, your average newbie would rush into things and skip/ignore steps.

Anyway, I'd have to assume it will get easier...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Complicated?

If "insert disk, press F6" is too hard for someone to handle, they should be buying a Dell.

- M4H

 

[overst33r]

I totally agree but what are people complaining about then? I just never installed a SATA HDDbefore, i was just wondering if it was as hard like people claim it is.

 

[BW86]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Complicated?

If "insert disk, press F6" is too hard for someone to handle, they should be buying a Dell.

- M4H

seriously...how can it get any easier?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: BW86

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Complicated?

If "insert disk, press F6" is too hard for someone to handle, they should be buying a Dell.

- M4H

seriously...how can it get any easier?

Well, it could just *work*, like most other peripherals. And it could not require a floppy drive for some arcane reason beyond all comprehension -- why can't it let you swap out the WinXP disk for a driver CD, and then switch back?

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

that has nothing to do with the hardware, it was the way Microsoft made the Windows XP install. You have to use a floppy if there is any hard drive controller not supported by the inital installl CD, be in IDE, SATA or SCSI.

I've had to use a IDE RAID floppy on many occations. Windows just sucks...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
that has nothing to do with the hardware, it was the way Microsoft made the Windows XP install. You have to use a floppy if there is any hard drive controller not supported by the inital installl CD, be in IDE, SATA or SCSI.

I've had to use a IDE RAID floppy on many occations. Windows just sucks...

Slipstreamed drivers > All that crap.

- M4H

 

[footbal07]

man we are spoiled theses days. honestly the hardest part i had installing sata drives was finding a floppy drive to use.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Slipstreamed drivers > All that crap.

- M4H

I dunno, slipstreaming seems like a lot more trouble. I always just keep a floppy handy just in case.

 

[Dennis Travis]

Like has already been said, It's easy and also SOME IDE controlers and a lot of SCSI Controlers need the same F6 insert floppy. The only thing that bugs me about it is Microsoft not allowing you to hit F6 and use a CDROM or other media but just the floppy as Floppys are not even installed in all recent systems and have not been for a while. One would have to get a External USB or buy a floppy in a lot of desktop systems. It's easy to do but I just wish Balmer and Gates would make it so you could use other media. Would make it even easier.

End of Rant.!

 

[Vegito]

sata came out after xp.. most of sata controller came out way after.. so you have to use the f6..

back in w2k days, i had to hit f6 all the time for scsi controllers, now with xp and server 2003, i dont have to... if you want sata to be easy, wait till next windows upgrade, almost all the drivers will be included

 

[DGath]

God... we've gotten to the point where it is difficult to simply insert another disk? Not that I'm by any means the oldest or most experienced on these boards, but I remember back in the day trying to install an OS from a CD-rom on a reformatted computer wthout CD booting capabilities. Manually setting up a CD-rom to work in dos by having to editing the autoexec, config.sys, etc... was probably the hardest thing I ever did. I'll tell ya though, when I finally got it to work after a couple days, I was probably about 12 years old and I was on top of the world. =)

That was my greatest tech personal accomplishment, I'm sure there someone out there who probably had to write their own drivers or something for CD-roms in dos.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

most people don't install floppy drives in their PCs anymore. so, yes, it IS a big deal if you go to format a computer and find out you need a floppy drive, and scamble to get the stuff you need in order to get your PC back up and going again.

 

[Pythias]

Yeah, everyone keeps saying the floppy is obsolete. How can that be if its the goto guy for flashing bios and installing drivers?

 

[DGath]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
most people don't install floppy drives in their PCs anymore. so, yes, it IS a big deal if you go to format a computer and find out you need a floppy drive, and scamble to get the stuff you need in order to get your PC back up and going again.

Not having a USB floppy drive is just asking for trouble in those situations though. I never do builds with floppy's, but having that USB floppy around is a must.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

bootable DOS cds work just as well for bios flashing. the only reason i'd ever need a floppy again is for F6 during windows install, aside from that i've been 100% floppy free for a very,very long time now.

 

[AluminumStudios]

Well, I think we need to put up with whatever you find "difficult" about SATA because we need to be able to choose our hardware independent of what MS supports out of the box. I really wouldn't want to be limited to what MS supports out of the box ...

 

[naruto1988]

i think that floppy drives should become obsolete. seems all the floppies i have are so unreliable and so forth.

 

[Hardtarget]

Originally posted by: forcesho
sata came out after xp.. most of sata controller came out way after.. so you have to use the f6..

back in w2k days, i had to hit f6 all the time for scsi controllers, now with xp and server 2003, i dont have to... if you want sata to be easy, wait till next windows upgrade, almost all the drivers will be included

damn straight. get off your high horse people.

 

[Gerbil333]

I thought it was freaking easy and I didn't bother with instructions. I think I'd read so many posts on here prior to building that machine that I already knew the process. It was almost eaiser than a standard IDE drive. As soon as native support for SATA drives starts appearing, it will indeed be eaiser: no jumpers

 

[Mday]

it's just different because windows does not come with SATA drivers, while it does come with standard generic drivers that works with most motherboard ATA controllers. if you slipstream sata drivers into a windows install disc, it will install just fine without having to F6 for 3rd party storage controller drivers.

 

[TechnoPro]

Originally posted by: Gerbil333
I thought it was freaking easy and I didn't bother with instructions. I think I'd read so many posts on here prior to building that machine that I already knew the process. It was almost eaiser than a standard IDE drive. As soon as native support for SATA drives starts appearing, it will indeed be eaiser: no jumpers

Native SATA support does exist. I asked about it in this thread and got a few leads on motheboards.

 

[billyjak]

If Microsoft was a caring company they would offer a slipstreamed version to us at a very reasonble price. Complete with Service pack 2 and Sata drivers.

This would be contingent, as your registered version is registered.

They don't have too, that's why they make Billions.

 

[Gotham33]

so a USB floppy drive doesnt require any setting up? cause i need a floppy drive that i can use for this sort of thing (bios/drivers)