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Will Rick Perry's libertarianism led him to the White House

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werepossum said:
Assuming Perry gets the Pubby nod . . .

It's going to be very hard to convince people not to vote for Perry because he did nothing to stop illegal immigration when his opponent is the man who actively fought everyone who attempted to stop illegal immigration.
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No0 need to worry, to win a Candidate will need the Independant vote and they aren't going to vote for a Fund A Mental Case Religious nutjob.
 
werepossum said:
Assuming Perry gets the Pubby nod . . .

It's going to be very hard to convince people not to vote for Perry because he did nothing to stop illegal immigration when his opponent is the man who actively fought everyone who attempted to stop illegal immigration.
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Except most issues work better if you can draw a clear line between the candidates. A large difference on an issue means more swing voters go a particular way and more base voters are likely to go to the polls at all. Perry being marginally better (for right leaning folks) on fighting illegal immigration isn't exactly going to start a grassroots movement his way.
 
werepossum said:
Assuming Perry gets the Pubby nod . . .

It's going to be very hard to convince people not to vote for Perry because he did nothing to stop illegal immigration when his opponent is the man who actively fought everyone who attempted to stop illegal immigration.
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hasn't the rate of deportation for illegals increased dramatically over the previous 3 years?
 
werepossum said:
Assuming Perry gets the Pubby nod . . .

It's going to be very hard to convince people not to vote for Perry because he did nothing to stop illegal immigration when his opponent is the man who actively fought everyone who attempted to stop illegal immigration.
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Kick the koolaid, only the blindest of the blind could claim Obama is soft on immigration. Since he took office there have been over 1 million deportations, more than Bush deported in 8 years, actually more than any other President in history. And he is outspoken about promoting the only solution that would actually work by dramatically increasing punishments for companies that employee illegals which the corporatist Republicans continue to fight at all costs.

It is the republicans that aren't serious about fixing immigration because it benifits their special interests. They love to talk about and blame illiegals for all manner of ills because it makes good talking points, but when it comes to actually doing anything about it their track record sucks. See Texashikers comments about Perry's lax policies on immigration in Texas which are right on point:thumbsup:

I know many people in the construction business in Texas and all of them will tell you that nothing gets built in Texas with anything but illegals and it has been that way for two decades. Nobody even tries to hide it anymore and no one even tries to compete with legit american crews in anything but the most technical of trades. Just the way the republican business owners like it.

I have one friend who is a lone wolf that does warranty repair for huge homebuilders. He basically goes in and fixes all the shoddy work when McMansions start falling apart 6-12mos after its sold. And he has been repeatedly told that on a typical 1-2 week warranty assignment they will pay him and his helper more than they paid the entire crew to build the house from the ground up over several months. And they have no problem with it because its cheaper for them to have the houses thrown up on the cheap then go back and fix the ones that are really bad or where the homeowner is a stickler, than it is to build them right to begin with.
 
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Libertarians don't compel teenagers to take unnecessary and dangerous vaccines in order to enrich their friends.
 
ProfJohn said:
If Perry can tone down the religious tones and not making any more major mistakes I think he will be very hard to beat in the primaries and in the general next year.
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Yeah, and if your grandmother had balls, she'd be your grandfather.

Perry's no "libertarian." He's just one more shit for brains bible spewing hypocritical wingnut tard bought and paid for by the Koch brothers and other uber-wealthy totalitarian wannabes.

Guess that makes those who fall for his bullshit Koch suckers. 😀
 
ProfJohn said:
One of the major messages that seems to be coming from Rick Perry at this point is his desire to make Washington “as inconsequential in your lives as possible”

It is a message very similar to the one Reagan used to get him into the White House.
And Perry has been consistent with this tone for a long time. His book was full of similar ideas. The article floating around this weekend about changes to the Constitution that Perry wanted were related to getting power away from Washington and back to the states or people. (The article was based on his book not on Perry calling for said changes directly)

When you look at all the polls that show how much Americans distrust the government I wonder how well this message will play.

We live in an era where people are not happy with their government and don't trust it in many ways. If the election comes down to Obama proclaiming that government is part of the solution vs Perry claiming that government is part of the problem I think Obama will be in big trouble. (If the economy hasn't killed is chances by then)


If Perry can tone down the religious tones and not making any more major mistakes I think he will be very hard to beat in the primaries and in the general next year.


Thoughts?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rick-perrys-very-good-week/2011/08/22/gIQAsoRNWJ_story.html
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NO!
 
Rainsford said:
That is true, but neither are the people who would support him while also claiming to be libertarians. For that matter, neither was Reagan or his supporters, despite all their small government rhetoric.

The thing is, most people who would support Rick Perry aren't really libertarians, but they like the concept. So even though Rick Perry isn't a libertarian either, his potential supporters will appreciate that he says he is, since it validates their own views as "libertarian".

So to answer the thread question...no, I don't think Rick Perry is really libertarian, but his "libertarianism" will indeed help him.
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Yea!! Someone who gets it!

Perry is NOT a hardcore libertarian.

He is a conservative Republican libertarian similar to Reagan. ie. people who understand that government is needed, but want it to have as small of an impact on our lives as possible.

I believe that with the size of government and its current spending levels that the anti-government refrain will be very popular next year.
 
Rainsford said:
Disqualifying everyone from Texas would be very absurd. It's a big state with a lot of different types of people there, not all of them hailing from the "I've watched too many episodes of Walker, Texas Ranger" camp that produced President George W. Bush.

On the other hand, Perry has made it pretty clear that he DOES view himself as part of that camp of Texans. Not so much "I'm from Texas" Texan as the stereotype Texan that reminds people of GWB. Which is fine, but we already tried that kind of President.

In other words, it's more the "Texan" philosophy than it is about actually being from Texas. So on the other side of the aisle, it's less like disqualifying black people because you don't like Obama and more like disqualifying someone who goes around talking about "hope and change" all the time because you don't like Obama. The former would be stupidly prejudicial, but the latter might make a certain amount of political sense.
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You do realize that Perry and Bush are very different types of politicians.

Perry is a true southern conservative while Bush is a northern liberal Republican who happened to live in Texas.

They may walk and talk alive, but what they believe in is very different.

It is also telling that the people who work for Bush do NOT like the people who work for Perry. The two sides have been at war for years. The Bush people even supported an attempt to beat Perry in the GOP primary.

I think it is very safe to say that a Perry Presidency would be VERY different that a Bush presidency.
 
Libertarians are pro big business and extremists. We cannot afford to elect extremists at this time.

We need to elect leaders that are willing to raise taxes on the rich AND cut spending through better enforcement and regulating of entitlement programs AND business dealings, as well as closing those idiotic loopholes that let big businesses get tax breaks they really don't deserve or need.

A libertarian, even a psuedo-libertarian like Perry will never ever do those things necessary to get our economy going the way it needs to.

Yup, I consider Perry a psuedo-libertarian because he is the quintessential political chameleon type that will wear whatever stripe and hue that gets him to where he wants to go. He's like a more skillful version of McCain, which isn't saying much.
 
ProfJohn said:
...Perry is NOT a hardcore libertarian.
He is a conservative Republican libertarian similar to Reagan. ie. people who understand that government is needed, but want it to have as small of an impact on our lives as possible...
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So you think Governor Perry will pay lip service to small government and fiscal responsibility while growing both the Government and the Deficit?
 
ProfJohn said:
If Perry can tone down the religious tones and not making any more major mistakes I think he will be very hard to beat in the primaries and in the general next year.
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I missed this part earlier but...are you fucking serious? lmao.

dude is already a LOCK for the primaries. the repub base loves nothing more these days than a certified end-times nutter.

Expect him to pour it on thicker and thicker until the nomination, then abandon Jesus in near totality when he's carted out in front of the 90% of America that has no idea who this whackadoo is, or what the fuck kind of language he is speaking right now.

at which point, you will finally see the real Perry--the two-faced clown with no answers.
 
ProfJohn said:
I believe that with the size of government and its current spending levels that the anti-government refrain will be very popular next year.
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whoa whoa whoa there! Don't go out on a limb or anything there, professor. That's a rather bold platform for a candidate for POTUS, don't you think?

😀
 
CallMeJoe said:
So you think Governor Perry will pay lip service to small government and fiscal responsibility while growing both the Government and the Deficit?
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the modern conservative indeed. do what everyone else does and will continue to do, just lie a fuckload more than the rest about it.
 
Well, I read his bio, and I was pretty impressed with his earlier life before entering politics. I mean, graduating from college with a 2.22 GPA and then becoming a pilot in the AF is commendable by any measure.

But now we have him as a Repub candiate preaching from both the pulpit and the podium, with both hands tied behind his back by the intransigent hardline Tea Party agenda.

The Repubs have a guy who's used to playing fast and loose on both sides of the fence being ankle cuffed and muzzled by a faction of his party that won't let him play the game that got him positioned where he is right now.

Perry is going to have to bear the ideological burden that the Tea Party is encumbering him with the same way Boehner had to, AND try to attract the swing moderates and independents his way all while competing with an incumbent that's branded himself a moderate conservative by word and action.

Good luck with that Perry, and Romney, well, maybe your Mormon God is more results oriented than Perry's Christian one......somehow.
 
ProfJohn said:
Yea!! Someone who gets it!

Perry is NOT a hardcore libertarian.

He is a conservative Republican libertarian similar to Reagan. ie. people who understand that government is needed, but want it to have as small of an impact on our lives as possible.

I believe that with the size of government and its current spending levels that the anti-government refrain will be very popular next year.
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Let's try this again for the mentally challenged: he's not a libertarian.
 
Harvey said:
Yeah, and if your grandmother had balls, she'd be your grandfather.

Perry's no "libertarian." He's just one more shit for brains bible spewing hypocritical wingnut tard bought and paid for by the Koch brothers and other uber-wealthy totalitarian wannabes.

Guess that makes those who fall for his bullshit Koch suckers. 😀
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We are suffering a Koch sucker and Citizens United hangover here in Wisconsin too 🙁:'( Thankfully we can oust Walker in January.
 
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Rick Perry in less them 3 weeks said he had no problem with states enacting same sex marriage and being in favor of a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage.

Hypocrite and favoring government intrusion in private lives all in the same package.
 
OP's question is a gross insult to liberatarians everywhere. Perry is not a liberatiarian, he just pretends to be one when it is politically advantegous. And then he doubles down on the foolishness by claiming (because GWB and Perry supposed dislike each other) that their presidencys would be totally different.

Perry would go a long way towards finishing the job GWB started-the dismantling and looting of the USA.
 
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