Will Obama win in 2012?

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Will be Obama be re-elected in 2012?

  • Yes, he'll win.

  • No, he'll lose.

  • Something else will happen.


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ericlp

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It is easier to be a better campaigner when all you have to do is point at your competition and say "He sucks"

Hope & change won't work in 2012. Instead Obama will have to run on his record and at this point his record is a disaster.

Well, if you want the "R" to win you better HOPE CHANGE happens! :D

Hmmm, so besides the Oil Spill Disaster... That could happen to any president, want to clue us in on the record???

I'd find it interesting to hear from a "R" prospective.
 

ericlp

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Sarah Palin might be popular amongst the Hannity/Beck/Rush crowd, but just because they're loud doesn't mean they're numerous... their 2008 Chosen Ones fell completely flat in the primaries (Huckabee, Thompson, Romeny)

I'm not even convinced that Palin wants to run, TBH. every move she's made since losing the election has demonstrated that she cares more about the money than the job.

Ha! Yeah well, anyone could see where her priorities are. Still tho till they choose their candidate this thread is pointless. Personally I'm not really keeping up with "R" side all that much. Most the time when I try almost always her name comes into the picture and I can't stand the bitch personally, so I turn the channel. :D
 

ProfJohn

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Well, if you want the "R" to win you better HOPE CHANGE happens! :D

Hmmm, so besides the Oil Spill Disaster... That could happen to any president, want to clue us in on the record???

I'd find it interesting to hear from a "R" prospective.
The record:

Start with the oil spill, sure it could have happened to anyone, but it happened to Obama and he will pay the price for it just like Bush paid the price for Katrina.

Obamacare, I know you libs love it, but the rest of the country does not and look at the new reports coming straight from the government about people having to change plans. One of the big selling points of the bill was the ability to keep your current plan, with that out the window expect even more calls for it to be repealed.

Jobs, the unemployment rate is horrible and it is not getting better. We should be seeing an improving job market month after month at this point and we are not. Obama and his team have no clue how to create jobs and instead are killing them via big spending, healthcare 'reform' and a general sense of uncertainty for the market.

Spending and debt, he makes Bush look cheap and with the crisis in Greece, Spain and other places in Europe we may finally get to the point that people realize we can't keep spending like mad forever.

Iraq, Afghanistan and the war on terror. Sure he is following Bush's lead in much of this, but Obama ran on a platform of doing something different and he didn't. This takes away his ability to talk about these areas and to paint a rosy picture about removing troops and closing gitmo and civil liberties and anything else. Instead he will have to defend following Bush policies which will lead to the irony that the right will be more in agreement with his decisions than the left and he is not going to get a lot of votes from the right.

Incompetence. Probably the biggest threat to Obama's presidency. One of his biggest selling points was he competency. He sounded good, he debated good, he ran a good campaign. Sure he had no experience, but he seemed to be so well put together that people expected him to be a great president. But that is all unravelling now and the BP oil spill is the catalyst. But there were signed of problems prior to that. Giving the British PM DVDs with the wrong region coding, bowing to people when the proper protocol was something else etc etc. The Obama White House looks to be run by a bunch of amateurs.

Conclusion: A lot of the things above may appear to be little things, but they all add up to big trouble for Obama. He is no longer the promised candidate who rides a unicorn and is loved by the world. Instead he is a president who has a LOT of problems and who is having a hard time dealing with those problems and I expect it is only going to get worse as time goes on.
 

ProfJohn

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Now that I have provided the "R" perspective on his record, let's see the D perspective.
 

Elias824

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The biggest issue is the ecnomey the 2nd biggest issue is the war. If we have 6% unemployment and minimal troop in Iraq still, and the afgan war is starting to scale down by then he has a very good chance of being re-elected.
The other variable is who the republican candidate, but considering its the republicans they will pick the worst person they can to run for president. If palin gets the nomination ill stab someone.
 

ProfJohn

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The biggest issue is the ecnomey the 2nd biggest issue is the war. If we have 6% unemployment and minimal troop in Iraq still, and the afgan war is starting to scale down by then he has a very good chance of being re-elected.
The other variable is who the republican candidate, but considering its the republicans they will pick the worst person they can to run for president. If palin gets the nomination ill stab someone.
Getting to 6% by election day 2012 would be a miracle. Obama has a better chance of walking on water than that.

We would have to add some where in the range of 5 million jobs in two years to reach 6% and it isn't going to happen. (that number is a guess based on the number of unemployed people in this country)
 

IamDavid

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He's going to be challenged from within his own party. And lose. Sounds dumb, it's gonna happen though.
 

BudAshes

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Bush is a pretty close to mentally retarded and got elected 2 times. Those of you that think obama won't get re-elected are kidding yourselves. The truth is the president doesn't matter that much. We are the ones that matter and we are the ones that are fucking up this country. If we want change we have to change ourselves, not hope some moron politician can change things.