Will Obama win in 2012?

[Linflas]

I can only imagine what staying "American" means. The rest of your post is full of nonsense.

Think not moving the US to a European style social democracy and that pretty much covers it.

 

[Modelworks]

If he runs an ad campaign with shots like this, how can he lose ?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If the Republicans can offer up a halfway decent candidate (not Palin or a Tea Partier) but rather someone like Romney then I think Obama will lose. The biggest issue is the economy and the job market, of course. The state of the economy won't necessarily be his fault, but he'll pay for it and quite frankly I think that a president who fails to turn it around deserves to lose.

I won't be at all surprised if we have a string of one term presidents as a result of the nation's impending economic collapse.

 

[Patranus]

Well it took Obama 18 months to go from +28 to -18 so one can only imagine what shape he will be in by the 2012 election if he is still president.

 

[evident]

She is just a mouth piece... and can do nothing more than spew out the latest talking points. I think America will be ready to end this nightmare we have been experiencing since 2007. You will see a lot of fiscally conservative people line up.

I am not from New Jersey... but I like the way Chris Christie is dealing with the budget crisis in that state. Raising taxes is a last resort and cutting spending is priority. So far he has the teachers union in NJ pissed so he is doing something right. He is also smart enough to not follow in the footsteps of the Governor of New York who caused a mass exodus of the wealthiest residents. He will be one to watch.

honestly, i think he needs to stay in new jersey because and get the job done there correctly before being considered for another job. he just started one year ago how do you expect him to go through with his entire agenda if he's already looking at another office

 

[ProfJohn]

Except no other non-Obama candidate consistently sniffs 50%+ in any series of significant polling data, so it's entirely irrelevant. And this is the absolute rock bottom low point for the administration with the BP spill, no benefits from healthcare coming until later this year, and the economy taking a very temporary dive due to European debt issues. The spill will of course go away eventually and the economy will improve, so it really won't be difficult for Obama to maintain around 50%. He blew out the most liberal guy the Repubs could get in 08, won't be terribly surprising if he holds on for a 2nd term, and the smart money is on exactly that. Plus, again, we know who is a better speaker, campaigner, and disciplined debater, if you in particular didn't see it between the two in 08. You have to absolutely bank on a complete unknown, that's just the reality.

It is easier to be a better campaigner when all you have to do is point at your competition and say "He sucks"

Hope & change won't work in 2012. Instead Obama will have to run on his record and at this point his record is a disaster.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yes. I did not vote for Bush either time. President Bush was a decent President himself, but his problem was he surrounded himself with political morons. Cheney was a complete disgrace. Rumsfeld was just terrible. Rice was nothing to write home about either. Ashcroft and all 3 of his Secs for Treasuer were walking jokes. And with people like Rove always in his corner with his rhetoric just magnified Bush's poor choice in surrounding himself with competant people who were interested in the country's business. These folks with several others kept his entire presidency in scandals.

Bush II was a complete idiot. Nostradamus, predicted his leadership ascension

 

[bamacre]

They have no one to run against him so it'll be Obama for another term. Obama is a better campaigner period, substance or not. Plus he and the Dems will have more money. Conservatives are just going to have to get used to the idea that Bush fucked them over for a good decade or so.

Well said, agree all around.

 

[First]

It is easier to be a better campaigner when all you have to do is point at your competition and say "He sucks"

Hope & change won't work in 2012. Instead Obama will have to run on his record and at this point his record is a disaster.

Except healthcare, an improving economy, and the (forthcoming) immigration reform is all he'll need to win reelection and that's nowhere near a disaster. Unless the Repubs can sneak in a majority in either chamber by November, which is possible but maybe not terribly likely.

 

[bamacre]

Another thing ProfJohn fails to see is that the Republicans have completely failed to effectively criticize Obama. They have essentially tried to fight battles they can't win. The calls of "Socialist" and "Marxist," the "birther movement," all complete failures. Why? For two reasons. One, the Obama admin and media can easily refute those claims with the truth. Two, because that crap only works with people who would vote for Republicans anyway, it's obviously not going to affect the opinions of Democrats and more importantly Independents, where Republicans really need to garner support.

The problem the Republicans have is that they can't hit Obama where it really hurts, because they only look like total hypocrites. They can't hit him on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They can't hit him on civil rights regarding the "war on terror" domestic policies. Basically, they can't hit him for continuing Bush-era policies. And that's what would garner support with Independents. The Republicans never apologized for Bush, and because of that, they will pay a heavy price, and for quite some time.

 

[Steeplerot]

Think not moving the US to a European style social democracy and that pretty much covers it.

In case you have never actually lived in USA. We are, and always have been a mixed market economy.

 

[Tab]

Is there a way to save a thread? It's hilarious to see predictions that he's going to lose, as if there's someone who actually is going to beat him.

 

[shortylickens]

I am going to have to agree with the rest of the folks here. The shape of the economy will determine if he's reelected or not. Despite the fact that the incumbent president rarely has any effect on the economy.

 

[nageov3t]

Is there a way to save a thread? It's hilarious to see predictions that he's going to lose, as if there's someone who actually is going to beat him.

He's running like 50/50 in generic ballots righ now... it's dumb to say that he's unbeatable. It just depends on how the country is looking in 2 years and who the republicans nominate.

 

[Tab]

He's running like 50/50 in generic ballots righ now... it's dumb to say that he's unbeatable. It just depends on how the country is looking in 2 years and who the republicans nominate.

So?

Bush, literally killed the Republican Party, Reaganomics, Neo-Conservationism. McCain and The Republican Party made a fool out themselves last year and are continuing to do so. The only contenders we have for POTUS are Bobby Jindahl who sounds like a whiny bitch and isn't white, Mitt Romney who is a Mormon which is alternate spelling or moron. There's Tim Plawnty(sp?) but he's probably not conservative enough and he's just not that spectacular either.

So, who has the power to beat Obama? No one.

 

[khon]

I do think he'll win, in large part because he won't face any qualified opposition. Palin, Romney, Jindal or Gingrich isn't going to cut it.

There's also a matter of timing. By 2012 the withdrawal from Iraq will be in effect, and the economy will be on the rebound, which makes it his election to lose.

A different question would be how happy I've been with his presidency so far, and the answer is not very. I'd give him a C. Still that's a lot better than Bush who was an easy F.

 

[Tab]

I'd give a him a B, though I'm somewhat disappointed with his nomination of Kagan. So, eh maybe a B-.

 

[nageov3t]

So?

Bush, literally killed the Republican Party, Reaganomics, Neo-Conservationism. McCain and The Republican Party made a fool out themselves last year and are continuing to do so. The only contenders we have for POTUS are Bobby Jindahl who sounds like a whiny bitch and isn't white, Mitt Romney who is a Mormon which is alternate spelling or moron. There's Tim Plawnty(sp?) but he's probably not conservative enough and he's just not that spectacular either.

So, who has the power to beat Obama? No one.

all the Republicans need to do to stand a fighting chance is nominate someone who's palatable to the center/right and appealing to deficit hawks, imo.

the hard right that thinks Obama is a socialist Kenyan is going to turn out and vote practically regardless of who the GOP nominates... I wouldn't be so willing to say the same for the left, especially the students that propelled Obama to victory, if the economy hasn't turned around by 2012 and if Obama continues to refuse to champion his base's issues.

 

[alphatarget1]

It will be Rick Perry of Texas with Christe of NJ as his running mate.

Write it down now

Rick Perry is a f***ing crook.

I'd vote for Karl Marx before I vote for Rick Perry.

 

[BoberFett]

If he runs an ad campaign with shots like this, how can he lose ?

Dud the photographer just snap the picture at an inopportune time? I never figured Obama to run like a girl.

 

[Jaskalas]

If the Republicans can offer up a halfway decent candidate (not Palin or a Tea Partier) but rather someone like Romney then I think Obama will lose.

Of course you'd think a decent Republican is the big-gov type like Bush and McCain. Patriot Acts galore!

If Romney is the candidate I'd vote for Obama first. We've had enough Neocons in the office, I don't care if they appeal to Democrats they are just as bad for the country.

 

[boomerang]

Dud the photographer just snap the picture at an inopportune time? I never figured Obama to run like a girl.

Google "Man's Country Obama".

 

[boomerang]

all the Republicans need to do to stand a fighting chance is nominate someone who's palatable to the center/right and appealing to deficit hawks, imo.

the hard right that thinks Obama is a socialist Kenyan is going to turn out and vote practically regardless of who the GOP nominates... I wouldn't be so willing to say the same for the left, especially the students that propelled Obama to victory, if the economy hasn't turned around by 2012 and if Obama continues to refuse to champion his base's issues.

loki, I've wanted to tell you for the longest time, that you're oftentimes the most clear thinker here. :thumbsup: You're right on target with this one.

 

[ericlp]

The problem for the republicans will be finding a candidate who can bridge the tea party/ mainstream divide. The only one theoretically capable of that out of those 3 is Paul Ryan, but he has a pretty thin record limited to failed legislation.

If I were a republican I would distance myself as far away from the words "tea party".

I'm all for change, hopefully on the republican side they can pick someone that is sane, smart and down to earth with the people. I have my doubts.

I really hate to say this but they are really prepping Pailin to be the front runner and to be honest I see no one else pulling in front of her. If they do pick her to do the tea bagging then that's all it's gonna amount too.

Bottom line is it's too soon to make a decision till the R's in this fucked up 2 party corrupted system we have make a choice. As usual, it doesn't matter since I'm voting sixth party again.

 

[nageov3t]

If I were a republican I would distance myself as far away from the words "tea party".

I'm all for change, hopefully on the republican side they can pick someone that is sane, smart and down to earth with the people. I have my doubts.

I really hate to say this but they are really prepping Pailin to be the front runner and to be honest I see no one else pulling in front of her. If they do pick her to do the tea bagging then that's all it's gonna amount too.

Bottom line is it's too soon to make a decision till the R's in this fucked up 2 party corrupted system we have make a choice. As usual, it doesn't matter since I'm voting sixth party again.

Sarah Palin might be popular amongst the Hannity/Beck/Rush crowd, but just because they're loud doesn't mean they're numerous... their 2008 Chosen Ones fell completely flat in the primaries (Huckabee, Thompson, Romeny)

I'm not even convinced that Palin wants to run, TBH. every move she's made since losing the election has demonstrated that she cares more about the money than the job.