Will Obama retaliate against the State of Texas?

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jman19

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

actually many were complaining about it.

BUT what how much bush did it and what Obama is are diffrent. Obama is far worse. Bush never took control of any business's.

Are you clueless? AIG? This crap STARTED under Bush!
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

My guess is most of them voted for and supported Bush and couldn't say anything then, but now that a liberal is in office it's time to start bleating about small government again.
 
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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Heh, lotta help Texas was the last time a few of us decided to fight against Washington. :roll:

Oh, and nice unrelated jab at unions ya got there...

Last time Texas was far from the fighting and didn't have a whole lot of people to contribute. This time the table has turned.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Yeah, that's called not being part of the country.
Yep, and the last time it was tried a fascist president started a war over it.

And the federal power is not unlimited as far as attaching strings to federal money.
Really? Name something you think would be out of federal reach.

The state doesn't have my interested in mind either.
And unless you live there, why do you care? Why do we insist on Californians living exactly like Texans and vice versa? Are you happy that the red states dragged the blue states into Iraq?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

My guess is most of them voted for and supported Bush and couldn't say anything then, but now that a liberal is in office it's time to start bleating about small government again.

:roll:

Kind of like the liberals who were against everything Bush did but cheer the same actions from Obama? The hypocrisy and partisan bullshit around here is sickening.
 
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: lupi
I'd like to see this taken to the courts so we can have clear lines drawn on who doesn't support the consitution.

lupi probably has this insane idea that the GOP are the true defenders of the constitution :laugh:

And the Dems are? Them Dems would rather wipe their ass with The Constitution. By the way if you were so smart and a great defender of The Constitution you'd be capitalizing it correctly. ;)
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: BoberFett

Kind of like the liberals who were against everything Bush did but cheer the same actions from Obama? The hypocrisy and partisan bullshit around here is sickening.

like...?
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

It's supposedly related to the purpose of the funds.

Well, the feds don't pay for every road so why do they get to dictate drinking age on all the roads in the state??
 
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
You guys are a joke.

Federal strings have been attached to money since the country was founded.

If you don't like the requirements don't take the money - simple as that.

Jumping up and down screaming 'blackmail' and 'state's rights' is ludicrous.

Go get a clue.
It's nice to know that you're so willing to take a nice steaming pile of shit directly on the U.S. Constitution and the rulings issued by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Unlike you, I've sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies...

Too bad you don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. From US v. American Library Association, the US government has 'wide latitude' to attach conditions to federal funding, as grounded in South Dakota v. Dole.

Unlike you, when I swore to defend the Constitution I took a minute to figure out what that actually meant.

The Supreme Court seems to have taken a case by case point on this. They tossed out the feds requirement to have background checks for gun owners in the brady bill. Though every state voluntarily still does it. The court rules the feds couldnt force them to.

And I dont know if this has been challeged but there are sanctuary cities across the country where cities and states wont enforce federal immigration law.

You haven't bought a gun lately have you? I haven't had a state check for purchasing a gun since I began buying them in 1999. There is a federal check that is done through the FBI system, when you fill out the 4473 form and the store clerk calls it in. No State official is doing any work. IF you have a state issued concealed weapons permit, in most states that bypasses the federal background check.
 
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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
as long as they take a % of the debt with them then cool. ohh and they would have to buy all the federal land in their state, purchase all of the military weaponry and vehicles used by the state guard and purchase all federal buildings in the state. Are they prepared to do all that? or do they just want it all given to them as a handout?

The State can just pull the same BS the Fed pulls. Imminant Domain. PAck up shop and get your shit out in 30 days our it's forfiet.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

My guess is most of them voted for and supported Bush and couldn't say anything then, but now that a liberal is in office it's time to start bleating about small government again.

Oh that's exactly what it is. I have family and friends that are up in arms about Obama's spending but when they're confronted with GWB's recent budgets the crickets come out.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

My guess is most of them voted for and supported Bush and couldn't say anything then, but now that a liberal is in office it's time to start bleating about small government again.

:roll:

Kind of like the liberals who were against everything Bush did but cheer the same actions from Obama? The hypocrisy and partisan bullshit around here is sickening.

Bullshit. Provide a fucking example or shut the hell up.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: rudder
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Do you think other governers will re-assert sovereignty rights...?

Yeah, see below.

Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

:roll:

This has been going on for quite a while.

Over half the states have already passed, failed, or introduced legislation regarding states' rights vis-a-vis the federal government. Link

Fern
 

Jack Flash

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Just playing politics. If John McCain had won and enacted a carbon copy of Obama's policies there would be no uproar from this Governor. He wants attention for a 2012 campaign attempt.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

actually many were complaining about it.

BUT what how much bush did it and what Obama is are diffrent. Obama is far worse. Bush never took control of any business's.

lolololololololol



revisionist history much?


name a company obama has taken over


(helpful hint: they were all taken over by bush lulz)
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Just playing politics. If John McCain had won and enacted a carbon copy of Obama's policies there would be no uproar from this Governor. He wants attention for a 2012 campaign attempt.

Thank you.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BoberFett

And the federal power is not unlimited as far as attaching strings to federal money.
Really? Name something you think would be out of federal reach.

Anything not reasonably related to the funds being disbursed. Like, the federal government couldn't require a state to ban abortion in order to get transportation funding.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett

And the federal power is not unlimited as far as attaching strings to federal money.
Really? Name something you think would be out of federal reach.

Anything not reasonably related to the funds being disbursed. Like, the federal government couldn't require a state to ban abortion in order to get transportation funding.

But it could tie education funding to an abortion ban.

If growing marijuana for personal use can be said to affect interstate commerce then nothing is out of reach.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
You guys are a joke.

Federal strings have been attached to money since the country was founded.

If you don't like the requirements don't take the money - simple as that.

Jumping up and down screaming 'blackmail' and 'state's rights' is ludicrous.

Go get a clue.
It's nice to know that you're so willing to take a nice steaming pile of shit directly on the U.S. Constitution and the rulings issued by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Unlike you, I've sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies...

I would like to thank you then for the 8 years of defending our constitution against GWB.
 

trenchfoot

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It's hilarious to see this same old tired worn out and disproved fallacy of an argument get invoked every time Pres. Obama chooses to apply certain policies similar to or same as those that Bush utilized, and the attack that's used against Pres. Obama's defenders in defense of Bush is hypocrisy.

They may be using those same/similar policies for completely different reasons, and considering how directly conflicting their ideologies are, it's a safe bet that most or all of their INTENT behind the use of similar/same policies are also in direct opposition to each other.

One Small Example Of Many: Bush kept asking for supplemental funding for the Mideast Wars to keep the wars going so that the corrupt profiteering he initiated there could keep on going unabated. Obama is asking for that same supplemental funding to get us the hell out so those funds that went directly into the pockets of Bush's robber baron buddies can be used to rebuild what Bush broke, among a host of other urgent needs that now face us at home.

How this OBVIOUS truth keeps getting in the way of and glaringly ignored by those defending Bush's despicable behavior during his rule is laughable.



 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

You haven't bought a gun lately have you? I haven't had a state check for purchasing a gun since I began buying them in 1999. There is a federal check that is done through the FBI system, when you fill out the 4473 form and the store clerk calls it in. No State official is doing any work. IF you have a state issued concealed weapons permit, in most states that bypasses the federal background check.


Just got an AR15 about a month ago and MN required me to get a pistol permit issued by the local police dept and I was required to have a federal background check performed. But I believe from glancing over that example they were speaking about states requiring a federal background check. The court ruled the feds were overstepping their bounds to require this though every state still voluntarily adhered to the policy.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Just playing politics. If John McCain had won and enacted a carbon copy of Obama's policies there would be no uproar from this Governor. He wants attention for a 2012 campaign attempt.

You are completely wrong.

He still would. Because Texans are more or less against large government. Perry has been using this same type of tactic against Kay Bailey Hutchinson since 2005. He tries to paint her as belonging to DC not Texas. He attacked her similarly with the TARP passage and her voting for it. This has everything to do with puffing up his chest toward Hutchinson, and really nothing to do with states rights. Hed be doing that same thing no matter who is President.

Also, its not 2012. Its the 2010 Texas Gubernatorial Race. Perry KNOWS he has not shot at anything at the national level. The State GOP is often at odds with him. He doesnt have much support amongst elected Republicans in Texas. The problem is, he has a lot of well connected cronies and money men. His GOP opponent is also Pro-Choice. Whoever wins the GOP primary is likely the winner of the Governors race.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Robor
I love how the 'small government' people had nothing to say when GWB was expanding the size of government. Dick's been in office since 2000 so he is a hypocrite.

actually many were complaining about it.

BUT what how much bush did it and what Obama is are diffrent. Obama is far worse. Bush never took control of any business's.

lolololololololol



revisionist history much?


name a company obama has taken over


(helpful hint: they were all taken over by bush lulz)

GM, Chrysler.

He ousted the GM CEO. And is now telling them to file for bankruptcy.

And the Obama admin has continually threatened nationalization.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Wreckem

GM, Chrysler.

He ousted the GM CEO. And is now telling them to file for bankruptcy.

And the Obama admin has continually threatened nationalization.

So what? That may be the best alternative. The cars they made for decades put them in this position.