Will Nvidia Match the Fury X cooler with Pascal?

[tential]

Curious at whether users will demand better coolers?
The Fury X cooler with the issues resolved is top tier. Do you think Nvidia will match this?

What's your take on high end cooling now that we've seen the Fury X and know how it is SUPPOSED to perform.

Please leave all pump issues out of this thread, it's not the point of the thread and will only serve to derail the main topic.

Edit:
This doesn't preclude a high end air cooler as well. If your cooler can be deemed UNIVERSALLY as "AMAZING, I'd want that!" then that's ok as well. These cards could be from AIBs, and have to pass a "quality" test as well. The point is, high end cards should come equipped with GREAT cooling. Not some junk as an afterthought. I don't think any person should have to put much thought into which 980Ti/Fury card they want. At that price point, the cards should be good, period.

 

[Silverforce11]

If they make a big GPU with 250W TDP or greater, its very hard to beat a water cooler setup like Fury X or EVGA's Hybrid 980Ti. You get very cool temps, quiet and also the benefit of water cooling: radiator exhaust heat out the case, which serves as both a case exhaust and a heat dump in one fan setup.

Then you have to factor in multi-GPU setup, and water is just unbeatable there, by far.

Edit: Have to add, water cooling out of the box under warranty is worth a small premium.

 

[tential]

If they make a big GPU with 250W TDP or greater, its very hard to beat a water cooler setup like Fury X or EVGA's Hybrid 980Ti. You get very cool temps, quiet and also the benefit of water cooling: radiator exhaust heat out the case, which serves as both a case exhaust and a heat dump in one fan setup.

Then you have to factor in multi-GPU setup, and water is just unbeatable there, by far.

I still have time to make a decision/wait. My decision has always banked on trying to get to 4K gaming ASAP and with the Wasabi UHD650 with freesync it's viable (Can't thank AMD enough for what they did with FReeysnc).

I've spent some time reading Fury X user reviews who have good cards and they are very happy with it, especially happy with the noise. I mean, I don't care if they offer both a WC/Air version. But I expect the WC version to hold no premium at this point if AMD makes it standard on their highend card. The noise and exhausting heat out of the case? That's great. I am thinking of getting the Fury X and exhausting the heat out the side panel, and still being able to use traditional front to back cooling. Really, with the Fury X, my PC would be silent again while OCed so I'm hoping AMD AND Nvidia keep this standard and compete like this. We as GPU purchasers deserve this. We've gotten price increase after price increase. It's time we get some QUALITY increases.

If Nvidia still wanted to keep AIB highend cards (Which I like as well), I'd definitely want them to make those cards pass a quality level before getting chips. Really, you shouldn't have the opportunity to GET a poor card at a $600+ purchase. It shouldn't require a lot of thought, it's time that high end cards are just GOOD FULL STOP.

 

[alcoholbob]

Doubtful. A triple slot air cooler with a custom fan curve is still way quieter than a buzzing radiator and a 1500-2500rpm static pressure radiator fan., which has the same noise profile all the time but is still too loud at idle.

 

[Silverforce11]

Doubtful. A triple slot air cooler with a custom fan curve is still way quieter than a buzzing radiator and a 1500-2500rpm static pressure radiator fan., which has the same noise profile all the time but is still too loud at idle.

If done properly the fan will adjust its speed based on a temp curve too. The same for the water pump.

That's my setup for the CF R290s, both pump & rad fans are controlled.

The open air cooler also raises the system ambient so your CPU temps will go up.

Water > Air.

 

[Arachnotronic]

AIO coolers are inconvenient compared to air for most users, IMO.

I like being able to just stick a card into my PCIe slot and call it a day.

 

[Dribble]

The stock cooler is designed to work well for SLi, and be as cheap as possible. Individual water coolers achieve neither of these aims.

 

[Eymar]

For the Titan model I think Nvidia will have an AIO. The great thing about Nvidia is they hate getting beat on performance in any kind of metric, especially the marketable metrics like sound and temp an AIO will help win.

 

[atticus14]

I think water is nice, no doubt, but Sapphire just blew it out of the park with their triple fan Fury, I expect at least a few imitators. With the room saved by HBM, that design could really take off next year, as long as you don't mind staying with long cards. Card design should be really interesting with the next round, when basically all cards could have a "nano" version or the extended heatsink/fan for crazy cooling/noise potential. It'll be interesting to see what companies bet on, or if they release one of everything.

 

[railven]

I don't see Nvidia throwing money out the window. If they release a stock water cooler option, it will cost us a nice penny or two.

I'd personally go the route it seems third parties are going, especially if you already have the core components.

For example: Kraken K10 bracket has now worked on 3 generations of Nvidia (and I think 4 generations of AMD cards) with minor modifications. It works with a wide range of CLC coolers and only cost $30.

Corsair offers a new bracket it seems with most newer cards (started with GTX 700 series and Radeon R9 290, which would work on R9 390 with some extra VRAM tape).

AIO is roughly $50-60 for a basic unit, so first time builder it's $100 but transferable.

TL;DR:
I don't think there is enough of a market for stock CLC users and Nvidia would either charge a huge premium to offer this as a stock option or just better leave it suited by their partners. Enthusiast on the top spending premium dollar will either A) have their own water loop or B) their own cooling alternatives)

They do, however, need a new stock cooler if Pascal is going to use anymore power.

 

[Shmee]

I am hoping for a new bridgeless SLI solution with Pascal. Similar to the XDMA crossfire. Though better coolers would also be nice

 

[tential]

If they make a big GPU with 250W TDP or greater, its very hard to beat a water cooler setup like Fury X or EVGA's Hybrid 980Ti. You get very cool temps, quiet and also the benefit of water cooling: radiator exhaust heat out the case, which serves as both a case exhaust and a heat dump in one fan setup.

Then you have to factor in multi-GPU setup, and water is just unbeatable there, by far.

Edit: Have to add, water cooling out of the box under warranty is worth a small premium.

I find it odd how many people in here say WC will cost a premium and a big one at that. AMD was able to deliver a watercooler at the SAME Pricepoint as the GTX 980 TI?

I guess there are limits to the things Nvidia can do.

 

[railven]

I find it odd how many people in here say WC will cost a premium and a big one at that. AMD was able to deliver a watercooler at the SAME Pricepoint as the GTX 980 TI?

I guess there are limits to the things Nvidia can do.

Yeah, but you have to factor in a few things. Think back to the original promotion of Fury -the name, the concept. AMD wanted something like "Titan" that is a halo product that can demand a premium.

Now, imagine if AMD stuck to their plans and Nvidia launched 980 Ti and AMD still aimed at Titan X with a price over $650. They'd be laughed at. I don't even think the hardcore AMD guys can support say $800 or more for a product that loses to a $650 product (and then factor in the pump issues.)

For a while before 980 Ti launched speculating here was that these cards would cost >$800, here is a quick post I found:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37424386&postcount=982

At that price point, a CLC seems almost like a good idea. But than we saw where 980 Ti launched, and I personally think AMD is kicking themselves for including a CLC and having to resort to $650 to stay competitive.

AMD didn't give us a CLC at a reasonable price out of the goodness of their hearts, at $650 the 980 Ti literally invalidated the Fury X, but the decision was finalized for a CLC. I wouldn't be surprised of AMD recants on their decision to leave it OEM for all vendors, and we may see Fury X with an air cooler.

 

[SolMiester]

Pascal will be on a much smaller node, so Im guessing no....

 

[SolMiester]

I find it odd how many people in here say WC will cost a premium and a big one at that. AMD was able to deliver a watercooler at the SAME Pricepoint as the GTX 980 TI?

I guess there are limits to the things Nvidia can do.

Eh?, I believe the pricepoint had to be moved to to Ti pricepoint. They didnt have any option if they wanted sales.

To say NV couldnt do the same is very naive, as for a start, NV isnt chasing sales, so can sell at its own pricepoint and not that of the opposition, unless or course your comment was just a stab at NV

 

[Silverforce11]

Pascal will be on a much smaller node, so Im guessing no....

There's multiple Pascal variants, that's a given. NV has produced a huge GPU die at each node for many generations now.

 

[railven]

If I had to guess, the stock cooler on big Pascal will be a 2-3 fan design. It will dump heat into your case, but at that price point I'm sure NV (or the buyer) won't care.

For example, what AMD did with the 7990:

It will satisfy majority of the needs: noise levels, cooling performance, size, and overall cost (ie it will be cheaper than say an CLC).

Unless they invent something new. Who knows.

 

[NTMBK]

If I had to guess, the stock cooler on big Pascal will be a 2-3 fan design. It will dump heat into your case, but at that price point I'm sure NV (or the buyer) won't care.

For example, what AMD did with the 7990:

It will satisfy majority of the needs: noise levels, cooling performance, size, and overall cost (ie it will be cheaper than say an CLC).

Unless they invent something new. Who knows.

The kind of cooler that looks great in reviews on open-bench test systems, but does a terrible job as soon as you put it in a case...

 

[Goatsecks]

Its not that users demand 'better' (I guess you mean shifting more heat?) coolers but quality coolers. Nothing wrong with air coolers.

 

[guskline]

I am hoping for a new bridgeless SLI solution with Pascal. Similar to the XDMA crossfire. Though better coolers would also be nice

Bingo! Here's the answer. For me, since I custom water cool and EK makes a block, I'm fine.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The Fury X cooler was due to need more than due to will and demand.

I dont think we gonna see much more of that. Also its a turn off for many. Specially after the RMA scandal of Fury X due to noise.

Some of the Fury air coolers show how it can be done with air.


The OP stated no pump noise discussion. You obviously never read the first post.

-Rvenger

 

[Spanners]

The Fury X cooler was due to need more than due to will and demand.

I dont think we gonna see much more of that. Also its a turn off for many. Specially after the RMA scandal of Fury X due to noise.

Some of the Fury air coolers show how it can be done with air.

Was it really due to need though? You seem to contradict yourself by praising Fury non-X air coolers considering how close Fury X is power usage wise. I always assumed AMD were trying to right the wrongs committed (and initial impressions created) with the reference Hawaii launch and market more of a premium product.

Power usage is a lot lower than the 7990 for example and only modestly more than the R9 290x. They could gone down the air-cooler path if they'd wanted to.

I'm not sure the pump noise really issue reach the level of a scandal, maybe this is a language thing but it seems like an overly dramatic way to categorise it.

 

[Goatsecks]

The Fury X cooler was due to need more than due to will and demand.

I dont think we gonna see much more of that. Also its a turn off for many. Specially after the RMA scandal of Fury X due to noise.

Some of the Fury air coolers show how it can be done with air.

I always thought it was AMD demonstrating, after the 290x cooling problems, that they do listen to the community. It would have been an excellent showing...if it were not for the pump wine.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Was it really due to need though? You seem to contradict yourself by praising Fury non-X air coolers considering how close Fury X is power usage wise.

Lower temperature=Lower power consumption. Without the water cooler the Fury X would be 30-50W more.

 

[iiiankiii]

Lower temperature=Lower power consumption. Without the water cooler the Fury X would be 30-50W more.

Well, it depends. As long as it's in the mid 70s, low 80s, power leakage is minimal. The reason why the 290x had such high power leakage was due to it running at 94c all the time. If the Fury X had any decent open air cooler, power consumption due leakage, temperature and noise won't be an issue at all. This is pretty evident by the non-x Fury. Power consumption, temperature and noise were similar to the Fury X counterpart on those non-watercooled open air coolers.

The real problem is trying to fit a blower style cooler on a +250watt GPU. That's the problem. Not only is it bit hotter, it's a bit louder and must reduce clock speeds to stay within the desired temperature envelope.