Will new gen consoles be able to keep up with PC graphics when released?

[BD2003]

What about my arguments hasn't been consistent? I've said from the first post in this thread, they are changing/morphing quality franchises into something simpler and more accessible to the casual gamer.
And my saying it's "futile" is from a purely market and business sense. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot, in almost every case. Why? Because the changes infuriate long-time fans, weaken the game, and the casual fans don't end up being interested anyway. At least not enough to offset the alienation of your previous audience.

This is what I'm trying to convey to you. This is why it's so frustrating. Not only are they butchering many of the franchises, but the intended audience, the people whom they're butchering it for, aren't really interested anyway. And the the franchise is REALLY in trouble. You've alienated your longtime fans, and the new audience you hoped to attract.

It sorta reminds me of what happens to a band after their 3rd or 4th album. They want to go in a new direction, or follow the recent trend and sound more modern. Their old sound gets stale, their new sound alienates fans. Very, very, very few bands pull this long lasting success off over any extended period of time....and its never, ever without a change. Modern day U2 sounds nothing like 80s U2.

I know its rough to watch some of your old favorites get butchered...but this is kind of the natural order of things. A few will survive, most will die, and many will be replaced by new faces. A lot of the new styles will be completely unappealing to the older audience, and even if old favorites keep their old sounds....they'll be irrelevant to the masses who have moved on. Its actually sort of a sign that gaming has matured.

Has something been lost? Sure. But its as unreasonable to expect gaming to go back to the way it was a few decades ago. Journey and AC/DC will never top the charts again...but they're still out there, for those who care.

 

[Sulaco]

So give me an example of a franchise that has changed, worsened, and then failed due to losing the hardcore players that would have otherwise stayed and kept the franchise going.

None have failed yet, as in stopped being produced (well, except Silent Hunter, whose last outing was bad enough to end the series), but sales numbers and popularity has sharply declined across most of those franchises.

The point is, you don't have to wait until "Gee, the series has been cancelled" to see the decline.

For instance, with Final Fantasy, I imagine it would take another release or two of seriously disappointing entries like FF13, before the series was truly on the verge of collapse. That doesn't mean everything is rosy up until it collapses, or that FF13 is not a disappointing game because the series is still alive after its release. Common sense, here.

And if they continue on in their new direction, the poor sales will likely continue.

 

[Veliko]

None have failed yet, as in stopped being produced (well, except Silent Hunter, whose last outing was bad enough to end the series), but sales numbers and popularity has sharply declined across most of those franchises.

The point is, you don't have to wait until "Gee, the series has been cancelled" to see the decline.

For instance, with Final Fantasy, I imagine it would take another release or two of seriously disappointing entries like FF13, before the series was truly on the verge of collapse. That doesn't mean everything is rosy up until it collapses, or that FF13 is not a disappointing game because the series is still alive after its release. Common sense, here.

And if they continue on in their new direction, the poor sales will likely continue.

Well according to Wikipedia, FF13 was actually the fastest-selling game of the series so far and got many good reviews.

So what decline are you referring to?

 

[dagamer34]

Well according to Wikipedia, FF13 was actually the fastest-selling game of the series so far and got many good reviews.

So what decline are you referring to?

But it took 5 years to develop!

 

[exdeath]

Well according to Wikipedia, FF13 was actually the fastest-selling game of the series so far and got many good reviews.

So what decline are you referring to?

Fastest selling != great game. This mentality is EXACTLY what is wrong.

Cheap budget mainstream mass produced Honda Civics and Toyota Camrys are the best selling cars year after year, does that make them better than a Ferrari? Maybe Ferrari should sell out to the masses and start making crappy $20,000 Ferraris with a new model every 6 months so they can get the revenue that Toyota and Honda do. After all Ferrari is associated with prestige, how many millions would run out and buy a $20,000 car they can afford so they can say they have a Ferrari, even if it's not really a Ferrari anymore? <- This is what the game industry is doing right now.

You can take any turd, spice up the graphics and special effects, mainstream it out, slap a familiar franchise title on it, hype the shit out of it, and sell out on launch. That doesn't mean the product is actually any good. Franchises like CoD and Madden prove this time and time and time again.

This is exactly the problem that we've been discussing the last, what 4 pages of this thread? What thread are you in, because it can't be this one. Games being developed solely to pad quarterly statements and not to, you know, actually make awesome games.

Good reviews? From who? Graphics and battle system obsessed hyper nineteen year olds who have never seen anything else who grew up with and think Halo, CoD, and Fast and the Furious are the benchmarks that everything else should live up to? LMAO

PS: I did actually enjoy FF13... but only out of boredom and exploiting the combat system. I resigned myself to the fact that it wasn't a Final Fantasy in about an hour into it, so I was able to lower my expectations and not be as critical. Once I lowered my standards about 1500 light years I was able to semi enjoy it and take it to 100% completion. In the end it is what it is, a hand holding one path linear on rails button mash fest with a bland story tacked on as an afterthought. Seriously you can rig up a drinking bird to hit the A button and go to sleep and the game will play itself.

PSS I didn't buy it, I borrowed it from a friend who warned me that it sucked and it's not a Final Fantasy up front but the battle system alone is fun in and of itself.

 

[Veliko]

Fastest selling != great game. This mentality is EXACTLY what is wrong.

Cheap budget mainstream mass produced Honda Civics and Toyota Camrys are the best selling cars year after year, does that make them better than a Ferrari? Maybe Ferrari should sell out to the masses and start making crappy $20,000 Ferraris with a new model every 6 months so they can get the revenue that Toyota and Honda do. After all Ferrari is associated with prestige, how many millions would run out and buy a $20,000 car they can afford so they can say they have a Ferrari, even if it's not really a Ferrari anymore? <- This is what the game industry is doing right now.

You can take any turd, spice up the graphics and special effects, mainstream it out, slap a familiar franchise title on it, hype the shit out of it, and sell out on launch. That doesn't mean the product is actually any good. Franchises like CoD and Madden prove this time and time and time again.

This is exactly the problem that we've been discussing the last, what 4 pages of this thread? What thread are you in, because it can't be this one. Games being developed solely to pad quarterly statements and not to, you know, actually make awesome games.

Good reviews? From who? Graphics and battle system obsessed hyper nineteen year olds who have never seen anything else who grew up with and think Halo, CoD, and Fast and the Furious are the benchmarks that everything else should live up to? LMAO

PS: I did actually enjoy FF13... but only out of boredom and exploiting the combat system. I resigned myself to the fact that it wasn't a Final Fantasy in about an hour into it, so I was able to lower my expectations and not be as critical. Once I lowered my standards about 1500 light years I was able to semi enjoy it and take it to 100% completion. In the end it is what it is, a hand holding one path linear on rails button mash fest with a bland story tacked on as an afterthought. Seriously you can rig up a drinking bird to hit the A button and go to sleep and the game will play itself.

PSS I didn't buy it, I borrowed it from a friend who warned me that it sucked and it's not a Final Fantasy up front but the battle system alone is fun in and of itself.

You sound mentally ill.

 

[exdeath]

I'm a ADHD gamer who is incapable of parsing forum posts that take longer than 3 seconds to comprehend and got bored quickly because there were no 'splosions. So now I'm going to join the 10 year olds on Call of Duty by slinging insults.

Ok. To each their own.

 

[Kaldorine]

I think on consoles the goal isnt about graphics i think its more about experiencing a different way to game.

 

[BD2003]

You sound mentally ill.

It's cute for a while....then it gets really annoying.

 

[purbeast0]

Fastest selling != great game. This mentality is EXACTLY what is wrong.

Cheap budget mainstream mass produced Honda Civics and Toyota Camrys are the best selling cars year after year, does that make them better than a Ferrari? Maybe Ferrari should sell out to the masses and start making crappy $20,000 Ferraris with a new model every 6 months so they can get the revenue that Toyota and Honda do. After all Ferrari is associated with prestige, how many millions would run out and buy a $20,000 car they can afford so they can say they have a Ferrari, even if it's not really a Ferrari anymore? <- This is what the game industry is doing right now.

You can take any turd, spice up the graphics and special effects, mainstream it out, slap a familiar franchise title on it, hype the shit out of it, and sell out on launch. That doesn't mean the product is actually any good. Franchises like CoD and Madden prove this time and time and time again.

This is exactly the problem that we've been discussing the last, what 4 pages of this thread? What thread are you in, because it can't be this one. Games being developed solely to pad quarterly statements and not to, you know, actually make awesome games.

Good reviews? From who? Graphics and battle system obsessed hyper nineteen year olds who have never seen anything else who grew up with and think Halo, CoD, and Fast and the Furious are the benchmarks that everything else should live up to? LMAO

PS: I did actually enjoy FF13... but only out of boredom and exploiting the combat system. I resigned myself to the fact that it wasn't a Final Fantasy in about an hour into it, so I was able to lower my expectations and not be as critical. Once I lowered my standards about 1500 light years I was able to semi enjoy it and take it to 100% completion. In the end it is what it is, a hand holding one path linear on rails button mash fest with a bland story tacked on as an afterthought. Seriously you can rig up a drinking bird to hit the A button and go to sleep and the game will play itself.

PSS I didn't buy it, I borrowed it from a friend who warned me that it sucked and it's not a Final Fantasy up front but the battle system alone is fun in and of itself.

your problem is that you for some reason think you are superior than these teenagers now a days who have only ever seen COD and Halo in the FPS genre and think that they are great games and enjoy them. you think you are better than them because you played FF games way back before they were born and because they may enjoy FF13.

the fact is that a lot of these people playing Halo or COD games on consoles now a days weren't even exposed to the "pinnacle days" of FPS back on PC days with UT or CS.

i was watching my little brother play COD4 yesterday on 360 (yes, the first MW - he actually plays that one because he likes it better than any of the newer ones) and we were talking about the whole "BOOM headshot" video, and he didn't even know that the whole "headshot" calling out first became big back in UT on PC.

just because your opinion/experience varies from someone elses does not mean that it is better/superior in any way.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

No they won't and you shouldn't care if they do, honestly. Graphics are the about 5th or 7th on the list of what makes a good game, even lower if you grew up in the 70's & 80's like me.