Will Joe Biden cancel student loans?

[MrSquished]

For those against having some generalized college courses be a requirement, why do you draw the line at college? Why not draw the line at 5th grade? Why should we waste our time teaching 6th grade through 12th grade all these different subjects as well? I mean from different sciences to geography to math to history to a range of subjects. Why is that not a waste of resources? We spend all this money educating 6th-12th graders on all these subjects when we could be putting them into more specialized tracks - from a trade track to a lawyer track, from janitorial track to doctor track. All depending on what your parents could afford let's say. I think this sounds like a better system.

 

[pmv]

Well-rounded education equips people with the tools to learn more outside of their specialized area along with other skills. Some may feel motivated to learn outside of a classroom, but I bet many won't.

Personally, I have a few degrees in STEM subjects, but I found core and elective classes outside my major to be enriching and served to give me a broader perspective about the world. They also helped me in areas related to my major like critical thinking, writing, and reading (eg, skills that are broadly applicable throughout life).

The system may have changed a little bit since my day, but the UK system always demanded early specialisation. If you wanted to study sciences you'd have to be studying nothing else from 16 onwards.

I think the idea of a 'general' education was always a particularly US thing. I wonder if there were specific historic and cultural reasons for that being an ideal in the US? Hence "liberal arts colleges".

I'm not entirely sure it really matters in the end. Either way you can't learn everything by 18 or 21, you are either going to be catching up on depth or on breadth later in life.

 

[ondma]

For those against having some generalized college courses be a requirement, why do you draw the line at college? Why not draw the line at 5th grade? Why should we waste our time teaching 6th grade through 12th grade all these different subjects as well? I mean from different sciences to geography to math to history to a range of subjects. Why is that not a waste of resources? We spend all this money educating 6th-12th graders on all these subjects when we could be putting them into more specialized tracks - from a trade track to a lawyer track, from janitorial track to doctor track. All depending on what your parents could afford let's say. I think this sounds like a better system.

I could agree a specialized track in junior high or high school. In fact I think some schools do this.

The situation is not the same as college though. One does not accrue 50k debt from going to high school. And I am not arguing against some general education courses, just that the number might reduced in order to hasten graduation.

 

[Svnla]

- verbally attacks everyone
- complains about verbal attacks

remember to clean your mirror from time to time!

You have the nerve to complain about someone verbally attacking?

Were you the one that attacked me recently for no reason and when I asked you why and your answer was because you said so with zero evidence to back up your assertion, nada, zip? Yup, it was you.

Do as you say and not as you do, eh? LOL. How sad and pathetic. Yup, you go first, clean up your own "hollier than you" mirror, eh?

 

[brycejones]

You have the nerve to complain about someone verbally attacking?

Were you the one that attacked me and when I asked you why and your answer was because you said so? Yup, it was you.

Do as you say and not as you do, eh? LOL. How sad and pathetic. Yup, you go first, clean up your own mirror.

Lol, which binder is that post cataloged in?

 

[MrSquished]

I could agree a specialized track in junior high or high school. In fact I think some schools do this.

The situation is not the same as college though. One does not accrue 50k debt from going to high school. And I am not arguing against some general education courses, just that the number might reduced in order to hasten graduation.

Society pays a great expense for public education for all those years, so there are definitely some massive $$ signs attached to giving all these humans education from 6th-12th grade. I mean where is the cutoff for where some sort of generalized education is not needed anymore? If you want to draw the line at 17-18 years old why not start looking earlier? We could save a lot of money if we did that no?

I mean I am certainly not saying we should not figure out how to curb the cost of universities - the prices are ridiculously astronomical. Some of these colleges are featuring amenities - like LSU and it's lazy river that spells out, well, LSU. It's getting insane. So no, I'm not saying let's not figure out how to cut the cost of college. And I'm sure we can streamline some general coursework but I don't think it should be by that much.

I have evidence that a college education does pay off for society.

Obama, Clinton and Biden have consistently won college educated voters in increasing numbers. Significant margins. College works for a solid amount of people. Enough that a significant portion were able to recognize Trump as a con man and Biden as a competent pick. That should be all the evidence you need.

 

[Svnla]

Lol, which binder is that post cataloged in?

The "stop follow me and continue begging to lick my butt" catalog. No means NO!!!! Get a clue.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You have the nerve to complain about someone verbally attacking?

Were you the one that attacked me recently for no reason and when I asked you why and your answer was because you said so with zero evidence to back up your assertion, nada, zip? Yup, it was you.

Do as you say and not as you do, eh? LOL. How sad and pathetic. Yup, you go first, clean up your own "hollier than you" mirror, eh?

Haha, you're still an idiot, thanks for reminding everyone.

 

[Svnla]

Haha, you're still an idiot, thanks for reminding everyone.

Perfect example. Just like last time. Insult and name calling with ZERO evidence yet WHINE and BITCH non stop when someone else does the same. Need to take your own advise, eh? Clean up the mirror.

LOL. Way to go. Not.

 

[MrSquished]

Perfect example. Just like last time. Insult and name calling yet WHINE and BITCH non stop when someone else does that same. LOL. Way to go. Not.

I'm just curious, where did he whine and bitch about people calling him names?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Perfect example. Just like last time. Insult and name calling yet WHINE and BITCH non stop when someone else does that same. Need to take your own advise, eh? Clean up the mirror.

LOL. Way to go. Not.

oh yeah, you sure showed me, lol. What an idiot, I'm not sure why you insist on showing people just what an idiot you are, but hey, you do you.

 

[Svnla]

I'm just curious, where did he whine and bitch about people calling him names?

Read post 154 again. See the section I highlighted/underlined and what I said about "hollier than you". Can't whine and bitch about anyone verbally attack when he did the very same thing many times over. Just saying.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Read post 154 again. See the section I highlighted/underlined.

In other words, you're such an idiot, you don't even realize how much of an idiot you are. Good job!

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm just curious, where did he whine and bitch about people calling him names?

Yea, you won't find that. @Svnla is just mad because he's an idiot who thought that france covid numbers increasing somehow vindicated magatarians from all their covid asshattery, and I called him an idiot which he just can't seem to let go. I think I'll have to start paying rent soon.

 

[fskimospy]

Read post 154 again. See the section I highlighted/underlined and what I said about "hollier than you". Can't whine and bitch about anyone when he did the very same thing many times over. Just saying.

He was making fun of his hypocrisy, dummy.

 

[Svnla]

He was making fun of his hypocrisy, dummy.

Again, he has no right to complain or say ANYTHING about anyone verbally attack when he is guilty of doing the same thing. He has the right to do whatever he wants to do but no right to complain or SAY ANYTHING or be critical or call out anyone else when he is no saint. That's my sole point. Just saying.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Again, he has no right to complain about anyone verbally attack when he is guilty of doing the same thing. He has the right to do whatever he wants to do but no right to complain about others when he is no saint. Just saying.

Except I'm not the one complaining, idiot. But you and outtahismind love to complain about insults while hurling insults, two idiots in a pod.

 

[brycejones]

So many binders

 

[Greenman]

Again, he has no right to complain or say ANYTHING about anyone verbally attack when he is guilty of doing the same thing. He has the right to do whatever he wants to do but no right to complain or SAY ANYTHING or be critical or call out anyone else when he is no saint. That's my sole point. Just saying.

Apparently, you don't know how P&N works.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Apparently, you don't know how P&N works.

I'm well versed in this method of behavior control. It's pretty common among conservatives to demand others do what they won't.

 

[fskimospy]

Again, he has no right to complain or say ANYTHING about anyone verbally attack when he is guilty of doing the same thing. He has the right to do whatever he wants to do but no right to complain or SAY ANYTHING or be critical or call out anyone else when he is no saint. That's my sole point. Just saying.

Again, he was pointing out the hypocrisy, nothing in his post was complaining about verbal attacks or saying they shouldn’t be used.

 

[Svnla]

Again, he was pointing out the hypocrisy, nothing in his post was complaining about verbal attacks or saying they shouldn’t be used.

So he was pointing out the hypocrisy of another poster (verbal attacks) yet he has being doing the same thing (verbal attacks) himself. Isn't that hypocrisy itself? Asking for a friend.

Just like Trump can't say anything about anyone being disrespect toward women because Trump is full of disrespect toward women.

 

[fskimospy]

So he was pointing out the hypocrisy of another poster (verbal attacks) yet he has being doing the same thing (verbal attacks) himself. Isn't that hypocrisy itself? Asking for a friend.

No, it is not hypocrisy. Why would it be?

 

[MrSquished]

So he was pointing out the hypocrisy of another poster (verbal attacks) yet he has being doing the same thing (verbal attacks) himself. Isn't that hypocrisy itself? Asking for a friend.

If he doesn't give a shit if he gets called names then where is the hypocrisy?

 

[ch33zw1z]

If he doesn't give a shit if he gets called names then where is the hypocrisy?

I also dont tell them to stop. I'm sure @Svnla will have some stern words for outtahismind and his constant personal insults