Will humans *ever* colonize another star system?

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
c) the middle east has never been a hot bed of scientific discovery as far as I know. I doubt we're really missing much from that region of the world.
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Actually, it was at one point. The Arabs invented Algebra, had the first lighted city in the world, and were one of the only reasons we know much of anything about the greeks as they kept records when Europe was in the dark ages.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
c) the middle east has never been a hot bed of scientific discovery as far as I know. I doubt we're really missing much from that region of the world.
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Actually, it was at one point. The Arabs invented Algebra, had the first lighted city in the world, and were one of the only reasons we know much of anything about the greeks as they kept records when Europe was in the dark ages.

I stand corrected.

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
How the hell did this get turned into a religion thread?

Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal.

Huh?... Religion is holding us back from space travel. Please do explain. This should be interesting

It is the general idea that progress happens in spite of religion, not because of it, and that religion is an inhibition to that progress. Think of fundamentalism, and of the Dark Ages, and of the entire freaking Islamic world. Note that I use "religion" in the context of an organized social force, not in the context of personal spirituality.

That was an answer? Those were examples? Well:

a) The fundies are too busy trying to get gays to quit marrying to care what the hell happens with the space program
b) the dark ages are long gone. they ceased to be a viable excuse quite some time ago.
c) the middle east has never been a hot bed of scientific discovery as far as I know. I doubt we're really missing much from that region of the world.

You know what I think inhibits progress? Gravity. I mean, think how much farther along we'd be in the space program if not for gravity. We wouldn't have had to spend all that time designing rockets powerful enough to boost a shuttle. Gravity is really keeping us down

Give it a rest man Religion hasn't interfered with science in any meaningful way for quite some time.

stem cell research?

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
How the hell did this get turned into a religion thread?

Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal.

Huh?... Religion is holding us back from space travel. Please do explain. This should be interesting

It is the general idea that progress happens in spite of religion, not because of it, and that religion is an inhibition to that progress. Think of fundamentalism, and of the Dark Ages, and of the entire freaking Islamic world. Note that I use "religion" in the context of an organized social force, not in the context of personal spirituality.

That was an answer? Those were examples? Well:

a) The fundies are too busy trying to get gays to quit marrying to care what the hell happens with the space program
b) the dark ages are long gone. they ceased to be a viable excuse quite some time ago.
c) the middle east has never been a hot bed of scientific discovery as far as I know. I doubt we're really missing much from that region of the world.

You know what I think inhibits progress? Gravity. I mean, think how much farther along we'd be in the space program if not for gravity. We wouldn't have had to spend all that time designing rockets powerful enough to boost a shuttle. Gravity is really keeping us down

Give it a rest man Religion hasn't interfered with science in any meaningful way for quite some time.

stem cell research?

That's a moral issue we need to work out, religion or not.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Descartes
The closest extrasolar planetary system orbits the star 55 Cancri, and that is a little less than 41 light years away. The fastest space ships today travel at about 0.00004% the speed of light, so I'm not optimistic. I highlighted 55 Cancri in my astronomy software here.

Whooooooooa...

What software is that!?

It's Software Bisque's TheSky. I also use Cartes du Ciel. I use them primarily for locating objects I wish to observe on my telescopes, but I can also control one of my telescopes with it. Here is what I am usually looking at before I localize my targets.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
How the hell did this get turned into a religion thread?

Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal.

Huh?... Religion is holding us back from space travel. Please do explain. This should be interesting

Yeah, are they smashing telescopes, throwing rocks at the space shuttle, what?

No, they just tell their elected officials to cut back on the government funding of NASA, so they can pay less taxes. And let's face it, lack of financial backing is one of the reasons that NASA is struggling to produce major innovations.

 

Earth is a colony.
Wait until they come back.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
How the hell did this get turned into a religion thread?

Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal.

Huh?... Religion is holding us back from space travel. Please do explain. This should be interesting

Yeah, are they smashing telescopes, throwing rocks at the space shuttle, what?

No, they just tell their elected officials to cut back on the government funding of NASA, so they can pay less taxes. And let's face it, lack of financial backing is one of the reasons that NASA is struggling to produce major innovations.

OMG!!!! The religious right is out to get NASA!!! Oh noes!!211 Man, all this time I though that NASA was a relatively small part of our budget compared to military spending, welfare, and the like. Boy was I wrong. Who knew?

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
How about we just ask if humans will ever colonize another planet in general. Would that alter any of your responses?

Mars is literally our neighbor and even at LS it takes 4 minutes to reach it. At LS....and we're FAR behind even knowing whether we ever even might be able to once travel just close at LS. This makes the thought of travelling to another star-system...hmm...VERY sobering....
Btw. it takes 4 to 6 hours at LS jsut to reach Pluto.

So....i have to exclude any thoughts about interstellar travel right now....but what about the other planets, in our solar system ?

I strongly believe that (soner or later) we will terraform Mars...there aer theoretical plans how to do that so it gets an atmosphere and more suitable environment. Yes...maybe not that far off in the future. We will live on Mars, i totally believe that

I also dont think it's not a question about the sense behind...it is much more something like human nature to explore and look what's around.....and i also think there might be attempts to go out from our solar system and reach other stars w/ planets - however i dont know how, what time frames will be involved, what travel speeds etc.....maybe something like that a crew gets frozen and put in a ship and they travel for a looooong, loooooooong time and then are woken up.
It will be done sooner or later as soon as it is technical possible.

Even on earth people do 'useless' things like climbing on mountains or diving in the oceans...its just how humans are

Edit: corrected the 12 mins to reach mars...it was from a chart with the distance Sun <-> Mars...so it's 4-5 mins from earth.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
How the hell did this get turned into a religion thread?

Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal.

Huh?... Religion is holding us back from space travel. Please do explain. This should be interesting

Yeah, are they smashing telescopes, throwing rocks at the space shuttle, what?

No, they just tell their elected officials to cut back on the government funding of NASA, so they can pay less taxes. And let's face it, lack of financial backing is one of the reasons that NASA is struggling to produce major innovations.

Wait a minute. So it's actually the voters holding back our space exploration efforts, but religion is making them do it so they can pay less taxes? And only the religious want to pay less taxes?

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
How the hell did this get turned into a religion thread?

Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal.

Huh?... Religion is holding us back from space travel. Please do explain. This should be interesting

Yeah, are they smashing telescopes, throwing rocks at the space shuttle, what?

No, they just tell their elected officials to cut back on the government funding of NASA, so they can pay less taxes. And let's face it, lack of financial backing is one of the reasons that NASA is struggling to produce major innovations.

Wait a minute. So it's actually the voters holding back our space exploration efforts, but religion is making them do it so they can pay less taxes? And only the religious want to pay less taxes?

In general, the religious right isn't interested in space exploration. They have no interest in how the universe is created, because they already believe that God created it for them in a week. They also tend to be the most conservative Republicans out there, and usually vote for politicans that promise to lower taxes and cut government spending.

 

[tcsenter]

In general, the religious right isn't interested in space exploration. They have no interest in how the universe is created, because they already believe that God created it for them in a week. They also tend to be the most conservative Republicans out there, and usually vote for politicans that promise to lower taxes and cut government spending.

Right...so when we were in a race with the Communists to put the first man into space and on the moon, all those Americans who wanted to see the Capitalist Pigs beat the Pinkos were leftists?

You may remove your foot from your mouth now. Try giving it a little twist before pulling because its actually sticking out your arse.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
How the hell did this get turned into a religion thread?

Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal.

Huh?... Religion is holding us back from space travel. Please do explain. This should be interesting

Yeah, are they smashing telescopes, throwing rocks at the space shuttle, what?

No, they just tell their elected officials to cut back on the government funding of NASA, so they can pay less taxes. And let's face it, lack of financial backing is one of the reasons that NASA is struggling to produce major innovations.

Wait a minute. So it's actually the voters holding back our space exploration efforts, but religion is making them do it so they can pay less taxes? And only the religious want to pay less taxes?

In general, the religious right isn't interested in space exploration. They have no interest in how the universe is created, because they already believe that God created it for them in a week. They also tend to be the most conservative Republicans out there, and usually vote for politicans that promise to lower taxes and cut government spending.

Okay, so conservatives, some of whom happen to be religious, wishing for lower taxes, tend to vote in favor of other issues besides NASA. How do we infer from that: "Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal"?

If the budget for NASA gets voted down it's because the people don't want it, not because it's being sabbotaged by the Pope. It seems like a fiscal issue rather than a spiritual one, and trying to blame religion is a stretch at best.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: lirion


Okay, so conservatives, some of whom happen to be religious, wishing for lower taxes, tend to vote in favor of other issues besides NASA. How do we infer from that: "Because religion is one of (if not the) the largest factors in holding back the kind of progress needed to accomplish such a goal"?

If the budget for NASA gets voted down it's because the people don't want it, not because it's being sabbotaged by the Pope. It seems like a fiscal issue rather than a spiritual one, and trying to blame religion shows how much of a jackass you are

fixed

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

In general, the religious right isn't interested in space exploration. They have no interest in how the universe is created, because they already believe that God created it for them in a week. They also tend to be the most conservative Republicans out there, and usually vote for politicans that promise to lower taxes and cut government spending.

Right...so when we were in a race with the Communists to put the first man into space and on the moon, all those Americans who wanted to see the Capitalist Pigs beat the Pinkos were leftists?

You may remove your foot from your mouth now. Try giving it a little twist before pulling because its actually sticking out your arse.

Well, it sounds like you've convinced yourself that I'm wrong, anyway. If that's "putting my foot in my mouth", I guess that you're right

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
c) the middle east has never been a hot bed of scientific discovery as far as I know. I doubt we're really missing much from that region of the world.
.

Actually, it was at one point. The Arabs invented Algebra, had the first lighted city in the world, and were one of the only reasons we know much of anything about the greeks as they kept records when Europe was in the dark ages.

I stand corrected.

So what, exactly, has the entire Islamic world collectively managed to accomplish since then?

 

[flexy]

So what, exactly, has the entire Islamic world collectively managed to accomplish since then?

Kebap and Falafel....mhmmm...yummmyyyy......

Who else likes Kebap ?

 

[slpaulson]

Originally posted by: Quixfire
When the Zerg start invading we will be looking for a new home.

I miss that show.

 

[Savarak]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
We already have. You just don't know it yet. SG teams have scouted out worlds to colonize that are safe from the Goa'uld and Jaffa threat, and have set up colonies.

Stargate-SG1 reference!! A+++++

 

[beer]

All the accomplishments of Arabs stated - algebra, record-keeping, etc, was well before islam came to fruition in 700 AD