Will Haswell be the clincher CPU of this decade?

[GWestphal]

Haswell: 2x battery life, 20x standby, 2x Graphics, AVX2, Hardware Random Number Generator, integrated thunderbolt

Consumers get lots of performance in terms of computational power and battery life and connectivity.

Broadwell: Die Shrink of Haswell, Multi Chip Package

Consumers get a small bump in computational power and vendors get cheaper/easier to produce motherboards.

Skylake: DDR4....

More bandwidth?

Seems like everything after Haswell is underwhelming in comparison. I know they are farther out, so fewer details, but still it seems like they aren't as big of a leap as Haswell will be.

 

[hokies83]

Haswell 2013 will effectively put Amd behind 50 = 70% clock for clock.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

All I know for sure is that I'm overdue for a new laptop and specifically waiting for Haswell. Hope it lives up to the hype...

 

[HURRIC4NE]

i'm tired of my cpu and motherboard, i wanna switch to haswell so baaaaaaaad.

 

[Ferzerp]

Eh, never count your performance before it hatches.

Wait for reliable benchmarks.

 

[Maximilian]

Possibly but not actually maybe however.

 

[MaxPayne63]

I'm planning on replacing my Nehalem with a Haswell.

That said, I seem to recall another CPU which was supposed to be the bee's knees - more cores and no IPC decrease either. We all know how that turned out.

 

[Cali3350]

In terms of CPU yeah Haswell looks like a good buy, but Broadwell and Skylake are suppposed to keep doubling GPU power each, so its not the clincher for GPU abilities.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Broadwell: Die Shrink of Haswell, Multi Chip Package.

Both Broadwell and Haswell got multichip package for ULT. Broadwell desktop is still 2 chip setup. Thats first changed with Skylake.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'm planning on replacing my Nehalem with a Haswell.

That said, I seem to recall another CPU which was supposed to be the bee's knees - more cores and no IPC decrease either. We all know how that turned out.

Anybody familiar with computer architecture knows that Haswell is a super turbocharged "Sandy Bridge" style core.

I'll bet everything I have that Haswell will, on average, outperform Sandy Bridge.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

the hype is very strong with Haswell, hopefully it delivers

 

[gammaray]

Haswell 2013 will effectively put Amd behind 50 = 70% clock for clock.

By the times haswell is out to retailers and we can buy it, i think AMD will be out of business unfortunately. (i really hope not - not good for us consumers...)

I am also waiting for Haswell to be released to build my new rig. Currently on a 2500 SB.

 

[Ferzerp]

the hype is very strong with Haswell, hopefully it delivers

Never buy in to hype.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Haswell sounds good for laptops/ultrabooks. But for desktop PCs? Not so much.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Haswell: 2x battery life, 20x standby, 2x Graphics, AVX2, Hardware Random Number Generator, integrated thunderbolt

Consumers get lots of performance in terms of computational power and battery life and connectivity.

Broadwell: Die Shrink of Haswell, Multi Chip Package

Consumers get a small bump in computational power and vendors get cheaper/easier to produce motherboards.

Skylake: DDR4....

More bandwidth?

Seems like everything after Haswell is underwhelming in comparison. I know they are farther out, so fewer details, but still it seems like they aren't as big of a leap as Haswell will be.

Actually, depends on how you define the decade. If you define it as 2010 to 2020, maybe, but who knows. If you define decade as the last 10 years, Conroe was the kind of quantum leap that will probably never be repeated in CPUs, especially since the focus is shifting to mobile and away from CPU performance.

 

[jpiniero]

Haswell sounds good for laptops/ultrabooks. But for desktops PCs? Not so much.

I'd almost say the other way around. Haswell might be the last great increase in performance on the desktop for awhile. It might be worth it to wait for Broadwell on laptops to get the benefit of SoC.

Both Broadwell and Haswell got multichip package for ULT. Broadwell desktop is still 2 chip setup. Thats first changed with Skylake.

Well, if you believe the rumor in the other thread, Broadwell is only going to be released as an SoC on BGA and that they aren't going to release high watt desktop versions.

 

[Fjodor2001]

I'd almost say the other way around. Haswell might be the last great increase in performance on the desktop for awhile.

Around 10% IPC increase from what I've heard. Not so impressive. You probably won't even notice it when compared to IB, unless you run some synthetic benchmark test.

On the other hand it will have quite substantial power savings, which likely will be useful for laptops/ultrabooks in certain use cases.

 

[rgallant]

-just saying
day 1 1150 mother boards are the item to watch.
sb seemed to have a rough start with mobo's
-could be wrong but if haswell has the vrm control on die , the interface to the mb could be interesting on the first run of mb's.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Around 10% IPC increase from what I've heard. Not so impressive. You probably won't even notice it when compared to IB, unless you run some synthetic benchmark test.

On the other hand it will have quite substantial power savings, which likely will be useful for laptops/ultrabooks in certain use cases.

1. 10% in non-AVX2 optimized code. And remember, these %'s are compounded over previous generations. ~2x the performance in optimized code.

2. Power efficiency in laptops is a huge deal. The fact that we get 10% IPC with better platform power is an unequivocally good thing.

Haswell is a big deal.

 

[blastingcap]

Around 10% IPC increase from what I've heard. Not so impressive. You probably won't even notice it when compared to IB, unless you run some synthetic benchmark test.

On the other hand it will have quite substantial power savings, which likely will be useful for laptops/ultrabooks in certain use cases.

I agree 100%.

For desktop, I likely won't upgrade for at least another two generations, maybe three or even four depending on various factors, including how much consolization there is in future games.

For mobile/laptop Haswell and Broadwell may be significantly change things which is why I won't upgrade my laptop for a while longer until we know more about Haswell. I may actually jump to tablets, too.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Don't forget possibly increased clocks and higher OC head room. I read Intel designed Ivy Bridge "quick and dirty" and didn't really optimize for the 22nm finfet process. With Haswell, they did/do.

 

[moonbogg]

I'm not expecting any miracles, at least not for my needs. I think it mostly comes down to how well they OC to be honest.

 

[AtenRa]

Haswell (Desktop) IPC will only gain a ~10% on average in Legacy code, but it is designed for higher HyperThreading/MT scaling and AVX 2. SB and IB users will not see any substantial performance increases.

In Laptops/Mobile the better graphics + lower consumption will be a lot more important and will make a big difference upgrading from SB or older systems.

 

[podspi]

The talk of configurable TDP keeps on coming up, I really hope they allow user-configurable TDP (instead of just OEM).

I'd love a dockable tablet with the ability to enter a 'low-power' mode where the fan never has to spin up (or maybe only have the fan in the dock?).

 

[BD231]

Hsawell is not a big deal, just another integration and bug fix's. Its more than likely most the clock speed advantage's of a properly made 22nm product (unlike ivy bridge) will be ate up entirely by integration.

Per usual " Doubling " their integrated graphics speed is basically just Intel's way of saying it's only half as slow as their last gen.

How many times is Intel going to " double " gpu performance and still have crap GPU performance? People on these forums are like " zmog double the speed !! " and are greeted with poor 3D performance/driver support every time.