Will Democrats Learn Or Are We Doomed to Keep Repeating Partisan Tradeoff Elections?

[MrSquished]

Sure, lets circle back... I havent seen 1 person legitimately debate a single item the the D agenda list I posted. You all are saying thats not the D platform... But every time the D's open their mouths those are the only things that come out.

Abortion this, gays and trans that. We oppose religion at every chance we get.

just today: Omar said gave more Anti Israel remarks, especially how she gets a "calm" feeling every time she thinks about the holocaust.

There is the proposed Breathe Act (also promoted by the little bar tender who could, AOC - who should just go back to bartending, her real calling in life), which is a 5 year plan to abolish not only police departments, but also the entire prison/incrassation structure, create a commission to grant slavery reparations, and other great evils to our society.

Every day AOC opens her mouth, is Green New deal, blah blah blah.


find me something in the list Dems actually oppose instead of endorse?
Please?

I've been saying for 10 year, there is going to be civil war in this country due to escalation. I do not wish for it, but it is going to happen. I would prefer we split the country in two so that red can rule red and blue can rule blue.

But mark my words... Red will not be ruled from afar in the blue ivory towers against their wills.

51% to 49% doesnt make the majority right... the only thing that make something right is the Word of God.

You are literal delusional evangelical filth. You don't exist in reality. All your posts are literal delusions. Your fake conservative pro life stances are so easily refuted as I posted, but you garbage never respond.

Trump supporting evangelicals are as disgusting as the white supremacists.

We should put all the evangelical conservatives on an island with the fundamentalist Muslims and nothing but spiked clubs and bows and arrows and let you fight it out. Just never send any boats. The planet would instantly become more habitable.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Sure, lets circle back... I havent seen 1 person legitimately debate a single item the the D agenda list I posted. You all are saying thats not the D platform... But every time the D's open their mouths those are the only things that come out.

Abortion this, gays and trans that. We oppose religion at every chance we get.

just today: Omar said gave more Anti Israel remarks, especially how she gets a "calm" feeling every time she thinks about the holocaust.

There is the proposed Breathe Act (also promoted by the little bar tender who could, AOC - who should just go back to bartending, her real calling in life), which is a 5 year plan to abolish not only police departments, but also the entire prison/incrassation structure, create a commission to grant slavery reparations, and other great evils to our society.

Every day AOC opens her mouth, is Green New deal, blah blah blah.


find me something in the list Dems actually oppose instead of endorse?
Please?

I've been saying for 10 year, there is going to be civil war in this country due to escalation. I do not wish for it, but it is going to happen. I would prefer we split the country in two so that red can rule red and blue can rule blue.

But mark my words... Red will not be ruled from afar in the blue ivory towers against their wills.

51% to 49% doesnt make the majority right... the only thing that make something right is the Word of God.

legitimate debate requires legitimate discussion. your post was so hilariously disingenuous that no one is going to bother with that mess.

and on your last note, how do you know the "word of god" is right? what makes it right? how do you reconcile the "word of god" with teachings from other religions? how morally consistent can one be if they are willing to outlaw abortions in the name of protecting life but provide no support for a child after birth, no support for the poor, and literally no protection of the family (by opposing the separation of children and parents at borders)? how can one claim that we are all children in the eyes of god but deny rights to other human beings? do you think jesus would protect the environment? do you think jesus would support the rights of all human beings regardless of their race/ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, or economic status? do you think jesus would promote a more just distribution of the wealth in the world?

 

[MrSquished]

White conservative evangelicals are horrible horrible people. I've argued with them online a plenty. It's all about being pro-life. Unless you are gay. Or shit, until you are born. Then it's go fuck yourself. Fuck any type of healthcare to help take care of you or affordable housing to house you in, or living wages to raise you with. That's all commie Green New Deal shit.

Hell, any environmental law is evil too - this earth is just a temporary vessel to the after life anyways, plus god put the trees on earth, who cares if we cut them all down, extend that argument to anything like fossil fuels or any resource. Destroy the earth to get them. It's alllll good.

And it's all about morals to these fucked up religious cultists - Clinton was unfit for office because of his indiscretions with women, but Trump and his womanizing is just A-Ok - it's now all about forgiveness. It has nothing to do with morals with these fucking disgusting people, it's ONLY about power. They would sell their souls to anyone who gives them the ability to legislate hatred (against gays/muslims, whomever) or whomever lets them avoid having government doing a goddamn single thing good for a living human being while claiming the mantle of being pro life and followers of Christ. All they care about is their prophecy of the rapture, with Israel and all their machinations that they require for the apocalypse to happen so they can go to the great beyond.

God please come give these fucking useless souls their Rapture, and just take them and put them anywhere but on this amazing planet you have given us. They are the cancer.

 

[Sunburn74]

Sure, lets circle back... I havent seen 1 person legitimately debate a single item the the D agenda list I posted. You all are saying thats not the D platform... But every time the D's open their mouths those are the only things that come out.

Abortion this, gays and trans that. We oppose religion at every chance we get.

just today: Omar said gave more Anti Israel remarks, especially how she gets a "calm" feeling every time she thinks about the holocaust.

There is the proposed Breathe Act (also promoted by the little bar tender who could, AOC - who should just go back to bartending, her real calling in life), which is a 5 year plan to abolish not only police departments, but also the entire prison/incrassation structure, create a commission to grant slavery reparations, and other great evils to our society.

Every day AOC opens her mouth, is Green New deal, blah blah blah.


find me something in the list Dems actually oppose instead of endorse?
Please?

I've been saying for 10 year, there is going to be civil war in this country due to escalation. I do not wish for it, but it is going to happen. I would prefer we split the country in two so that red can rule red and blue can rule blue.

But mark my words... Red will not be ruled from afar in the blue ivory towers against their wills.

51% to 49% doesnt make the majority right... the only thing that make something right is the Word of God.

Where exactly in the new testament does jesus say its ok to go and start cutting off heads if elected officials don't do what you want all the time?

 

[sao123]

legitimate debate requires legitimate discussion. your post was so hilariously disingenuous that no one is going to bother with that mess.

and on your last note, how do you know the "word of god" is right? what makes it right? how do you reconcile the "word of god" with teachings from other religions? how morally consistent can one be if they are willing to outlaw abortions in the name of protecting life but provide no support for a child after birth, no support for the poor, and literally no protection of the family (by opposing the separation of children and parents at borders)? how can one claim that we are all children in the eyes of god but deny rights to other human beings? do you think jesus would protect the environment? do you think jesus would support the rights of all human beings regardless of their race/ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, or economic status? do you think jesus would promote a more just distribution of the wealth in the world?

Do you want actual answers or is this just an exercise in time wasting? Not worth opening this tag if you dont want honest answers.

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how do you know the "word of god" is right?

I know the word of God is truth because it came directly from him.

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"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

what makes it right?

I know the word of God is right because God is Omnicient, Benevolent, Without Flaw, Holy, Pure, Just, and Righteous. He sets the standard by what "Right" means. He is immune to judgement because he sets the standard by which all things are judged.

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When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself,

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy.

“Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, For wisdom and might are His. He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings;

how do you reconcile the "word of god" with teachings from other religions?

I dont concern myself with false religions and false prophets, they will be judged by god. America was founded as a Christian Nation and will continue to be governed as such. Once it is no longer serves God, soon it will no longer exist. If America ceases to fully support Israel as the chosen Nation of God it will also face the same judgments given to those other nations.

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17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

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"Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are on the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from the face of the earth"

But if any nation will not listen, then I will utterly pluck it up and destroy it, says the LORD.”

Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I have made the land a desolation and a waste because of all their abominations which they have committed.

“If you will not listen to me and obey all these commands, if you reject my laws and look at my rules with disgust, if you reject my promise by disobeying my commands, then this is what I will do to you: I will terrorize you with disease and fever. You will suffer from eye problems and depression. You will plant your crops and get nothing because your enemies will eat them. I will condemn you so that you will go down in defeat in front of your enemies. Those who hate you will be your rulers. You will run away even when no one is chasing you.
“If you still will not listen to me, I will discipline you seven times for your sins. I will crush your arrogance. You will have no rain, and your land will be as hard as cement. You will work hard for nothing because your land will produce no crops and the trees will produce no fruit.
“If you resist and don’t listen to me, I will increase the punishment for your sins seven times. I will send wild animals among you. They will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle, and make you so few that your roads will be deserted.
“If this discipline does not help and you still resist, then I, too, will resist you. I will punish you seven times for your sins. I will bring war on you to get revenge for my promise that you rejected When you gather in your cities, I will send plagues on you and you will fall under the control of your enemy. I will destroy your food supply. Ten women will need only one oven to prepare your food. You will eat and go away hungry.
“If in spite of this you do not listen to me and still resist me, I will fiercely resist you. I will discipline you seven times for your sins. You will eat the bodies of your sons and daughters. I will destroy your worship sites, cut down your incense altars, and pile your dead bodies on top of your dead idols. I will look at you with disgust. I will make your cities deserted and ruin your sacred places. I will no longer accept the soothing aroma from your sacrifices. I will make your land so deserted that your enemies will be shocked as they settle in it. I will scatter you among the nations. War will follow you. Your country will be in ruins. Your cities will be deserted.

how morally consistent can one be if they are willing to outlaw abortions in the name of protecting life but provide no support for a child after birth,

What evidence do you provide to say they dont provide protections for the child after birth? I simply contend it is not the role of the Government. Is the role of the Family, the Church, and the Community.
Biblically, I contend also beyond childhood, life is, should be, and is best served as a meritocracy, where each person is measured according to what they contribute to society.

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"even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

“For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower is servant to the lender.

no support for the poor,

Plenty of support for the poor, just not a Government function.

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At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel any loan they have made to a fellow Israelite. They shall not require payment from anyone among their own people, because the Lord’s time for canceling debts has been proclaimed. You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your fellow Israelite owes you. However, there need be no poor people among you, for in the land the Lord your God is giving you to possess as your inheritance, he will richly bless you, if only you fully obey the Lord your God and are careful to follow all these commands I am giving you today. For the Lord your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.

If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them. Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need. Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: “The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near,” so that you do not show ill will toward the needy among your fellow Israelites and give them nothing. They may then appeal to the Lord against you, and you will be found guilty of sin. Give generously to them and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land.

He who has a generous eye will be blessed, For he gives of his bread to the poor.

‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

and literally no protection of the family (by opposing the separation of children and parents at borders)?

What family? Dems have already destroyed the definition of the family beyond repair. We try to protect the family structure.

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Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

"It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

how can one claim that we are all children in the eyes of god but deny rights to other human beings?

I do not believe that denying rights to those who live a gay or trans lifestyle is proper. I am opposed to them being granted a marriage certificate. Marriage is a construct of the church, and not the law.
Implement legal civil unions and use that as the basis for determining benefits/inheritance, etc.
I recognize the right for gays and trans people to have protections as designated by the current laws EXCEPT in these cases which conflict with the freedom of practicing religion.

I support the churches ability to speak out and say that while LEGAL, the lifestyle is a sin and should be avoided.
I recognize the right of individuals and businesses to not be a party to something they deem inappropriate for religious reasons. There is no right to service granted except from government institutions. Businesses are private entities.
I recognize the right of the church to designate that its leaders and hired people remain free from ALL sins which are contrary to the doctrine of the church.
If a church decides to remove a pastor who has declared he or she is gay, that is a fundamental right of the practice of religion. There is no entitlement to employment or protection here.
However My purpose is not to see them denied rights, but to see them repent, be saved, and turn away from a sinful lifestyle.

do you think jesus would protect the environment? do you think jesus would support the rights of all human beings regardless of their race/ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, or economic status? do you think jesus would promote a more just distribution of the wealth in the world?

No, No, and No. Jesus didnt come to alter or setup any government, nor ever made any petition in order to enact social justice change. He didnt come to free the Jews from the oppression of the Romans, nor free slaves from their masters, nor spread wealth among the poor.
He fed people, himself, not telling the authorities it was their job to do. He encouraged other individuals to do the same. He was interested in all individuals, not classes of people based on some perceived identity or economic status.
His purpose was not human rights, nor economics, but love of individuals and salvation.

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Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Gods view of equality and your view of equality are not the same:

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For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

 

[sao123]

Where exactly in the new testament does jesus say its ok to go and start cutting off heads if elected officials don't do what you want all the time?

You have that statement backwards. Christians will be beheaded for supporting the cause of Christ, once the Dems fully enact all the laws which they want to make it punishable by death to practice Christian beliefs.

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I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You have that statement backwards. Christians will be beheaded for supporting the cause of Christ, once the Dems fully enact all the laws which they want to make it punishable by death to practice Christian beliefs.

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I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.

Delusional.

 

[ch33zw1z]

White conservative evangelicals are horrible horrible people. I've argued with them online a plenty. It's all about being pro-life. Unless you are gay. Or shit, until you are born. Then it's go fuck yourself. Fuck any type of healthcare to help take care of you or affordable housing to house you in, or living wages to raise you with. That's all commie Green New Deal shit.

Hell, any environmental law is evil too - this earth is just a temporary vessel to the after life anyways, plus god put the trees on earth, who cares if we cut them all down, extend that argument to anything like fossil fuels or any resource. Destroy the earth to get them. It's alllll good.

And it's all about morals to these fucked up religious cultists - Clinton was unfit for office because of his indiscretions with women, but Trump and his womanizing is just A-Ok - it's now all about forgiveness. It has nothing to do with morals with these fucking disgusting people, it's ONLY about power. They would sell their souls to anyone who gives them the ability to legislate hatred (against gays/muslims, whomever) or whomever lets them avoid having government doing a goddamn single thing good for a living human being while claiming the mantle of being pro life and followers of Christ. All they care about is their prophecy of the rapture, with Israel and all their machinations that they require for the apocalypse to happen so they can go to the great beyond.

God please come give these fucking useless souls their Rapture, and just take them and put them anywhere but on this amazing planet you have given us. They are the cancer.

The rapture will leave millions of modern day christian conservatives right here on this earth. It's easy to forget that they are not actually Christ-like. Jesus == #SJW

 

[ch33zw1z]

Do you want actual answers or is this just an exercise in time wasting? Not worth opening this tag if you dont want honest answers.

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I know the word of God is truth because it came directly from him.

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"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

I know the word of God is right because God is Omnicient, Benevolent, Without Flaw, Holy, Pure, Just, and Righteous. He sets the standard by what "Right" means. He is immune to judgement because he sets the standard by which all things are judged.

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When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself,

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy.

“Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, For wisdom and might are His. He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings;

I dont concern myself with false religions and false prophets, they will be judged by god. America was founded as a Christian Nation and will continue to be governed as such. Once it is no longer serves God, soon it will no longer exist. If America ceases to fully support Israel as the chosen Nation of God it will also face the same judgments given to those other nations.

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17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

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"Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are on the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from the face of the earth"

But if any nation will not listen, then I will utterly pluck it up and destroy it, says the LORD.”

Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I have made the land a desolation and a waste because of all their abominations which they have committed.

“If you will not listen to me and obey all these commands, if you reject my laws and look at my rules with disgust, if you reject my promise by disobeying my commands, then this is what I will do to you: I will terrorize you with disease and fever. You will suffer from eye problems and depression. You will plant your crops and get nothing because your enemies will eat them. I will condemn you so that you will go down in defeat in front of your enemies. Those who hate you will be your rulers. You will run away even when no one is chasing you.
“If you still will not listen to me, I will discipline you seven times for your sins. I will crush your arrogance. You will have no rain, and your land will be as hard as cement. You will work hard for nothing because your land will produce no crops and the trees will produce no fruit.
“If you resist and don’t listen to me, I will increase the punishment for your sins seven times. I will send wild animals among you. They will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle, and make you so few that your roads will be deserted.
“If this discipline does not help and you still resist, then I, too, will resist you. I will punish you seven times for your sins. I will bring war on you to get revenge for my promise that you rejected When you gather in your cities, I will send plagues on you and you will fall under the control of your enemy. I will destroy your food supply. Ten women will need only one oven to prepare your food. You will eat and go away hungry.
“If in spite of this you do not listen to me and still resist me, I will fiercely resist you. I will discipline you seven times for your sins. You will eat the bodies of your sons and daughters. I will destroy your worship sites, cut down your incense altars, and pile your dead bodies on top of your dead idols. I will look at you with disgust. I will make your cities deserted and ruin your sacred places. I will no longer accept the soothing aroma from your sacrifices. I will make your land so deserted that your enemies will be shocked as they settle in it. I will scatter you among the nations. War will follow you. Your country will be in ruins. Your cities will be deserted.

What evidence do you provide to say they dont provide protections for the child after birth? I simply contend it is not the role of the Government. Is the role of the Family, the Church, and the Community.
Biblically, I contend also beyond childhood, life is, should be, and is best served as a meritocracy, where each person is measured according to what they contribute to society.

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"even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

“For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower is servant to the lender.

Plenty of support for the poor, just not a Government function.

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At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel any loan they have made to a fellow Israelite. They shall not require payment from anyone among their own people, because the Lord’s time for canceling debts has been proclaimed. You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your fellow Israelite owes you. However, there need be no poor people among you, for in the land the Lord your God is giving you to possess as your inheritance, he will richly bless you, if only you fully obey the Lord your God and are careful to follow all these commands I am giving you today. For the Lord your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.

If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them. Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need. Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: “The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near,” so that you do not show ill will toward the needy among your fellow Israelites and give them nothing. They may then appeal to the Lord against you, and you will be found guilty of sin. Give generously to them and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land.

He who has a generous eye will be blessed, For he gives of his bread to the poor.

‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

What family? Dems have already destroyed the definition of the family beyond repair. We try to protect the family structure.

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Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

"It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

I do not believe that denying rights to those who live a gay or trans lifestyle is proper. I am opposed to them being granted a marriage certificate. Marriage is a construct of the church, and not the law.
Implement legal civil unions and use that as the basis for determining benefits/inheritance, etc.
I recognize the right for gays and trans people to have protections as designated by the current laws EXCEPT in these cases which conflict with the freedom of practicing religion.

I support the churches ability to speak out and say that while LEGAL, the lifestyle is a sin and should be avoided.
I recognize the right of individuals and businesses to not be a party to something they deem inappropriate for religious reasons. There is no right to service granted except from government institutions. Businesses are private entities.
I recognize the right of the church to designate that its leaders and hired people remain free from ALL sins which are contrary to the doctrine of the church.
If a church decides to remove a pastor who has declared he or she is gay, that is a fundamental right of the practice of religion. There is no entitlement to employment or protection here.
However My purpose is not to see them denied rights, but to see them repent, be saved, and turn away from a sinful lifestyle.



No, No, and No. Jesus didnt come to alter or setup any government, nor ever made any petition in order to enact social justice change. He didnt come to free the Jews from the oppression of the Romans, nor free slaves from their masters, nor spread wealth among the poor.
He fed people, himself, not telling the authorities it was their job to do. He encouraged other individuals to do the same. He was interested in all individuals, not classes of people based on some perceived identity or economic status.
His purpose was not human rights, nor economics, but love of individuals and salvation.

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Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Gods view of equality and your view of equality are not the same:

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For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

In other words, your feels.

 

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Do you want actual answers or is this just an exercise in time wasting? Not worth opening this tag if you dont want honest answers.

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I know the word of God is truth because it came directly from him.

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"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

I know the word of God is right because God is Omnicient, Benevolent, Without Flaw, Holy, Pure, Just, and Righteous. He sets the standard by what "Right" means. He is immune to judgement because he sets the standard by which all things are judged.

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When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself,

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy.

“Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, For wisdom and might are His. He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings;

I dont concern myself with false religions and false prophets, they will be judged by god. America was founded as a Christian Nation and will continue to be governed as such. Once it is no longer serves God, soon it will no longer exist. If America ceases to fully support Israel as the chosen Nation of God it will also face the same judgments given to those other nations.

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17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

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"Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are on the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from the face of the earth"

But if any nation will not listen, then I will utterly pluck it up and destroy it, says the LORD.”

Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I have made the land a desolation and a waste because of all their abominations which they have committed.

“If you will not listen to me and obey all these commands, if you reject my laws and look at my rules with disgust, if you reject my promise by disobeying my commands, then this is what I will do to you: I will terrorize you with disease and fever. You will suffer from eye problems and depression. You will plant your crops and get nothing because your enemies will eat them. I will condemn you so that you will go down in defeat in front of your enemies. Those who hate you will be your rulers. You will run away even when no one is chasing you.
“If you still will not listen to me, I will discipline you seven times for your sins. I will crush your arrogance. You will have no rain, and your land will be as hard as cement. You will work hard for nothing because your land will produce no crops and the trees will produce no fruit.
“If you resist and don’t listen to me, I will increase the punishment for your sins seven times. I will send wild animals among you. They will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle, and make you so few that your roads will be deserted.
“If this discipline does not help and you still resist, then I, too, will resist you. I will punish you seven times for your sins. I will bring war on you to get revenge for my promise that you rejected When you gather in your cities, I will send plagues on you and you will fall under the control of your enemy. I will destroy your food supply. Ten women will need only one oven to prepare your food. You will eat and go away hungry.
“If in spite of this you do not listen to me and still resist me, I will fiercely resist you. I will discipline you seven times for your sins. You will eat the bodies of your sons and daughters. I will destroy your worship sites, cut down your incense altars, and pile your dead bodies on top of your dead idols. I will look at you with disgust. I will make your cities deserted and ruin your sacred places. I will no longer accept the soothing aroma from your sacrifices. I will make your land so deserted that your enemies will be shocked as they settle in it. I will scatter you among the nations. War will follow you. Your country will be in ruins. Your cities will be deserted.

What evidence do you provide to say they dont provide protections for the child after birth? I simply contend it is not the role of the Government. Is the role of the Family, the Church, and the Community.
Biblically, I contend also beyond childhood, life is, should be, and is best served as a meritocracy, where each person is measured according to what they contribute to society.

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"even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

“For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower is servant to the lender.

Plenty of support for the poor, just not a Government function.

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At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel any loan they have made to a fellow Israelite. They shall not require payment from anyone among their own people, because the Lord’s time for canceling debts has been proclaimed. You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your fellow Israelite owes you. However, there need be no poor people among you, for in the land the Lord your God is giving you to possess as your inheritance, he will richly bless you, if only you fully obey the Lord your God and are careful to follow all these commands I am giving you today. For the Lord your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.

If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them. Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need. Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: “The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near,” so that you do not show ill will toward the needy among your fellow Israelites and give them nothing. They may then appeal to the Lord against you, and you will be found guilty of sin. Give generously to them and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land.

He who has a generous eye will be blessed, For he gives of his bread to the poor.

‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

What family? Dems have already destroyed the definition of the family beyond repair. We try to protect the family structure.

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Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

"It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

I do not believe that denying rights to those who live a gay or trans lifestyle is proper. I am opposed to them being granted a marriage certificate. Marriage is a construct of the church, and not the law.
Implement legal civil unions and use that as the basis for determining benefits/inheritance, etc.
I recognize the right for gays and trans people to have protections as designated by the current laws EXCEPT in these cases which conflict with the freedom of practicing religion.

I support the churches ability to speak out and say that while LEGAL, the lifestyle is a sin and should be avoided.
I recognize the right of individuals and businesses to not be a party to something they deem inappropriate for religious reasons. There is no right to service granted except from government institutions. Businesses are private entities.
I recognize the right of the church to designate that its leaders and hired people remain free from ALL sins which are contrary to the doctrine of the church.
If a church decides to remove a pastor who has declared he or she is gay, that is a fundamental right of the practice of religion. There is no entitlement to employment or protection here.
However My purpose is not to see them denied rights, but to see them repent, be saved, and turn away from a sinful lifestyle.



No, No, and No. Jesus didnt come to alter or setup any government, nor ever made any petition in order to enact social justice change. He didnt come to free the Jews from the oppression of the Romans, nor free slaves from their masters, nor spread wealth among the poor.
He fed people, himself, not telling the authorities it was their job to do. He encouraged other individuals to do the same. He was interested in all individuals, not classes of people based on some perceived identity or economic status.
His purpose was not human rights, nor economics, but love of individuals and salvation.

Spoiler

Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Gods view of equality and your view of equality are not the same:

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For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

We deal with facts here, please take your faith elsewhere. It doesn't belong in a rational discussion of fact based agenda.

 

[IronWing]

In other words, your feels.

Yep, that’s all any of his god talk means except that he’s too chicken shit to own his own bigotry so he assigns blame to his sock puppet and then claims his puppet is immune to judgment. What pathetic conduct for someone claiming to be an adult and pretending to want a reasoned discussion.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yep, that’s all any of his god talk means except that he’s too chicken shit to own his own bigotry so he assigns blame to his sock puppet and then claims his puppet is immune to judgment. What pathetic conduct for someone claiming to be an adult and pretending to want a reasoned discussion.

I agree, and along with that just allow right wing (not even far right, just right leaning) media outlets to dump lies directly into your skull.

Did Rashida Tlaib Celebrate the Holocaust, Say It Gave Her a 'Warm Feeling'?

Right-leaning websites grossly distorted the nuanced reflections of the Michigan Congresswoman on what happened in Palestine after World War II.

www.snopes.com

Conservatives are primed for feels over facts, and get angry when challenged.

 

[brycejones]

You have that statement backwards. Christians will be beheaded for supporting the cause of Christ, once the Dems fully enact all the laws which they want to make it punishable by death to practice Christian beliefs.

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I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.

@sao123 what specifically is your source for this?

 

[ewdotson]

...promoted by the little bar tender who could, AOC ...

But mark my words... Red will not be ruled from afar in the blue ivory towers against their wills.

I think one of my favorite things about die-hard GOP types is the way they can sneer at AOC as being a bartender AND insist that the Democrats are the out-of-touch-with-the-common-man elitists.

 

[kage69]

OP is delusional as usual. I find the pompous, sanctimonious posts here to be quite the amusing contrast given results wrt his Election Prediction thread. Funny stuff.

I'm more concerned about when America will stop repeating this pattern where republicans ruin the country and it's up to Dems to put everything back together again.

AOC is on a roll lately, bitchslapping these traitors who have locked themselves into an alternative reality. I think this speaks wonderfully to the affliction OP and others struggle with, where they still think they hold some kind of high ground despite reveling in their anti-democracy, money before life agenda.

Lady has more brains and integrity than all you R traitors combined. I enjoy watching her destroy you fools.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Let me get this straight, the Kenyan Usurper is at fault for not passing a healthcare plan that would make Democratic Socialists, Blue Dog Democrats, and Moderate Conservatives happy, and for not paying off every single underwater mortgage through SOCIALISM?

Wow.

For the people who believe that hilarious delusion, the fucking linchpin is that the DEMOCRATS have to be fucking perfect and thread a semi-truck through a needle...and I guess the Republican Party just doesn't exist in that delusion, or if it does, it's just sitting at home watching television or whatever and not attempting to further destroy any possible compromise by screaming about Democrats all being SOCIALIST COMMUNISTS.

Hilarious. Y'all are fucking hilarious.

The ACA is half-baked, and it is STILL being fought by Republicans as EVIL SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. The Republicans didn't even want to save the banks and if you think the 2007-2008 crash was bad, imagine if banks and certain mass employers had all failed, because that would have happened IN ADDITION to all of the mortgage bankruptcy that did happen.

There is very fucking little the Democratic Party is even allowed to talk about out loud without being called Marxist Communists, and there's people who are so delusional that they believe Obama could have passed Universal Healthcare and deleveraged trillions in home mortgages, just through what, sheer willpower?

Until the Republican Party is no longer able to win elections, this country is fucked. It's so telling that "principled" progressives and "moderate conservatives" are always able to come to an agreement that the real problem is the Democratic Party, while just allowing the Republican Party to skullfuck this country to death by not even mentioning that they're still in charge of most states/governorships/legislatures, and can lose by millions of votes and still control the House, Senate, White House, and Supreme court. No, don't mention that, because it's all the Democrats fault.

If you're bitching and moaning that the Democratic Party sucks and is losing, while just fucking ignoring Republicans SCREAMING HYSTERICALLY about the objectively center-right Democratic Party being SOCIALIST, then YOU'RE part of the fucking problem. You're enabling outright fascists who are trying to destroy this country. Full stop.

The past 40 years of economic policy has been a complete and utter failure, but anything remotely to the left of it is immediately labeled as Communism by the Republican Party. So, clearly, it's all the Democrats fault for not threading that semi-truck through a needle. Obviously.

The OP created a false equivalency topic, lets not get too worked up about S0me0ne being mad at liberals because they hurt his "feelings" and he needs to confirm his bias.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

This thread is making me wonder if I walked into a parallel universe where Trump won the 2020 election.

Nah, just a thread by an OP who's topics essentially boil down to complaining about the loss of white male privilege and lashing out at all those (mostly women) perceived to be responsible.

 

[Vic]

Sure, lets circle back... I havent seen 1 person legitimately debate a single item the the D agenda list I posted. You all are saying thats not the D platform... But every time the D's open their mouths those are the only things that come out.

Abortion this, gays and trans that. We oppose religion at every chance we get.

just today: Omar said gave more Anti Israel remarks, especially how she gets a "calm" feeling every time she thinks about the holocaust.

There is the proposed Breathe Act (also promoted by the little bar tender who could, AOC - who should just go back to bartending, her real calling in life), which is a 5 year plan to abolish not only police departments, but also the entire prison/incrassation structure, create a commission to grant slavery reparations, and other great evils to our society.

Every day AOC opens her mouth, is Green New deal, blah blah blah.


find me something in the list Dems actually oppose instead of endorse?
Please?

I've been saying for 10 year, there is going to be civil war in this country due to escalation. I do not wish for it, but it is going to happen. I would prefer we split the country in two so that red can rule red and blue can rule blue.

But mark my words... Red will not be ruled from afar in the blue ivory towers against their wills.

51% to 49% doesnt make the majority right... the only thing that make something right is the Word of God.

That's because your "D agenda" is nothing but propaganda and lies. I don't know a single person who actually believes any of that shit. Clearly they don't teach the commandment against bearing false witness at your church.

Meanwhile, you totally wish for that civil war. That's why you're talking about it. You're making it clear that if you don't get your way, that if you aren't allowed to impose your "Word of God" on others, that you will do it by violent force. You can't let people live free, you require that their 'freedom' be according to your dictates.. or else.

Which brings us to the real issue here, which is why is Christianity in decline? You believe, incorrectly, that it is because of liberals, science, abortion, gays, trans, and Democrats. But the real reason is because the witness of 'Christians' like yourself is so profoundly un-Christlike. Just look at your posts here, buddy. There is nothing of Christ in your words. Literally nothing. Just wailing and gnashing of teeth. The sad reality is that most liberals display more of the Love of Christ than does your typical 'conservative Christian.' And that's why Christianity is in decline.

 

[Vic]

Delusional.

That post of his pretty much shattered Poe's law for me. There are tens of millions of liberal Christians in America, myself included.

 

[brycejones]

That post of his pretty much shattered Poe's law for me. There are tens of millions of liberal Christians in America, myself included.

Conservative evangelicals are modern Pharisees

 

[ch33zw1z]

That post of his pretty much shattered Poe's law for me. There are tens of millions of liberal Christians in America, myself included.

Exactly. But wait for it.....




He's.....so....woke

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

OP is delusional as usual. I find the pompous, sanctimonious posts here to be quite the amusing contrast given results wrt his Election Prediction thread. Funny stuff.

I'm more concerned about when America will stop repeating this pattern where republicans ruin the country and it's up to Dems to put everything back together again.

AOC is on a roll lately, bitchslapping these traitors who have locked themselves into an alternative reality. I think this speaks wonderfully to the affliction OP and others struggle with, where they still think they hold some kind of high ground despite reveling in their anti-democracy, money before life agenda.

Lady has more brains and integrity than all you R traitors combined. I enjoy watching her destroy you fools.

I love how she builds up all your hopes and dreams - that she is going to go in there and make a difference.

Shes already showing signs of corruption as she continues to march behind their leader and defends Pelosi every step of the way instead of calling them out.

She will fit right in

 

[brycejones]

I love how she builds up all your hopes and dreams - that she is going to go in there and make a difference.

Shes already showing signs of corruption as she continues to march behind their leader and defends Pelosi every step of the way instead of calling them out.

She will fit right in

Still waiting for you to express any grown up thoughts about how to address the issue you perceive. Are you capable of communicating ideas in a rational mature way?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Still waiting for you to express any grown up thoughts about how to address the issue you perceive. Are you capable of communicating ideas in a rational mature way?

Same BS as Jordan Peterson, minus the academic gloss.

 

[blackangst1]

@sao123 what specifically is your source for this?

Revelation 20:4.