Will Democracy end if Republicans sweep the House & Senate?

[eikelbijter]

I never said that.

Sure seemed like it. You're on very thin ice my friend.

 

[blackangst1]

Sure seemed like it. You're on very thin ice my friend.

oh no!

 

[fskimospy]

So you linked 3 articles:
1) Democrat's trying to stop book banning I think. That seems like a good thing.
2) A Congressman who was expelled from office in 1980 for being a criminal doing criminal shit and he was caught (yay?).
3) Dems objecting to the outcome of an election AND NOT ATTACKING THE CAPITOL WHILE DOING IT!

Excellent work.

They also objected as part of the normal certification process. They did not attempt to get the vice president to accept fake slates of electors while throwing out legitimate electoral college votes based on his own decision not to count them.

In the entire history of American presidential succession there was never an attempted coup until 1/6/2020. That coup attempt was carried out by Republicans. There is no denying this.

 

[eikelbijter]

oh no!

I feel we have a great candidate for a little Natural Selection here ladies and gentlemen! Boy, America is fucked.....

 

[akugami]

Really?

Congressional Democrats introduce ‘book ban’ resolution amid nationwide censorship campaign | The Independent

So, an article on how democrats want to stop bans on books, thus proving my point that democrats are not trying to ban books, while republicans in many states have introduced resolutions to ban books. Did you even understand the headline? Did you even read the article? Thanks I guess? Because it furthers my points about how your "the other side does it too" argument is full of crap.

Dem Rep Pleads Guilty to Mass Voter Fraud: Thousands of Dollars Paid to Crooked Judges (westernjournal.com)

No one, not even me, has said that voter fraud has not been committed by both sides. However, this article does not disproves my statement that there is no widespread voter fraud as alleged by republicans (and which has been proven false in every single court). No, contrary to idiotic belief, the drug addict My Pillow guy does not have proof of widespread democratic voter fraud. If anything, there was more proven republican voter fraud in the last election, and zero proven democratic voter fraud (that I know of).

Since 2001, Democrats Objected 3 Times to Electoral College Certification (dailysignal.com)
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So...democrats using lawful processes to challenge election results is the same as an armed insurrection or sending fake electors (which was done by republicans)? That's your argument? Seriously?

 

[blackangst1]

So, an article on how democrats want to stop bans on books, thus proving my point that democrats are not trying to ban books, while republicans in many states have introduced resolutions to ban books. Did you even understand the headline? Did you even read the article? Thanks I guess? Because it furthers my points about how your "the other side does it too" argument is full of crap.



No one, not even me, has said that voter fraud has not been committed by both sides. However, this article does not disproves my statement that there is no widespread voter fraud as alleged by republicans (and which has been proven false in every single court). No, contrary to idiotic belief, the drug addict My Pillow guy does not have proof of widespread democratic voter fraud. If anything, there was more proven republican voter fraud in the last election, and zero proven democratic voter fraud (that I know of).

Since 2001, Democrats Objected 3 Times to Electoral College Certification (dailysignal.com)

So...democrats using lawful processes to challenge election results is the same as an armed insurrection or sending fake electors (which was done by republicans)? That's your argument? Seriously?
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[soundforbjt]

I didn't vote because it won't be the Congress causing the end to democracy, it will be the election deniers elected as Govs, SoS's, State reps & senators etc. that are in charge of election laws and the elections themselves that will end democracy.
Edit: I didn’t vote in the poll, I voted by mail for the election.

 

[compcons]

I didn't vote because it won't be the Congress causing the end to democracy, it will be the election deniers elected as Govs, SoS's, State reps & senators etc. that are in charge of election laws and the elections themselves that will end democracy.

Ummmm... are those people on the ballot? We have some IL supreme court folks on the ballot this year as well as governor.

 

[Leeea]

I didn't vote because it won't be the Congress causing the end to democracy, it will be the election deniers elected as Govs, SoS's, State reps & senators etc. that are in charge of election laws and the elections themselves that will end democracy.

You are aware that "the election deniers elected as Govs, SoS's, State reps & senators etc" are also on the ballot?

 

[Moonbeam]

An ethical question that I think bedeviled liberals is whether you have a right of self defense against the insanity of others, and particularly as regards the concept of a just war. I think this means that democracy is always at risk because the most democratic among us are the least likely to be able to defend it. A liberal will self question if he or she is justified in using violence to protect oneself or ones family or country from the insanity of others because of the logical paradoxes introduced by the decision to believe in ones own sanity in comparison to the insanity of others. Truth is just so subjective and relative that to assume oneself to be judge jury and executioner is morally repugnant to people who reason. Fascists on the authoritarian end of the spectrum, however, do not have such problems.

This means, as far as I can see, that liberals on the non-authoritarian end of the spectrum will be too late in defending themselves from an authoritarian take over. I see that as the reason we have fascists takeovers historically. Liberals fear irrationality and also lack authoritative certainty in their moral structure. Up to 80 million died as a result of the last great fascist rise to power. I do not see anything that will prevent it happening again.

In our society, business success, having money is equated to moral worth. People who are able to succeed in a business in a capitalist system need to be competitive. But competition is actually hate. That means that successful people in our system come built in with instinctive moral blindness. They will default to feeling superior to others which creates a sense of entitlement. They will gravitate toward being authoritarian in belief and blind to serious moral introspection.

All of this happens because as children we learned we were only of value if we played by the rules of whatever stupidity we manufacture to replace lost natural self respect and faith in our own individually.

The price is high for those who do not play the game as there are only invisible rewards. Naturally this is my opinion.

 

[UNCjigga]

A Rothschild just died on election day and the MAGA Qnuts are seeing it as a sign from God.

 

[fskimospy]

A Rothschild just died on election day and the MAGA Qnuts are seeing it as a sign from God.

Annnnny minute now.

 

[Jaskalas]

A Rothschild just died on election day and the MAGA Qnuts are seeing it as a sign from God.

Why did you make me look that up...
Why the hell did you already know the meaning?

And how the hell are they such Nazis?
It is one thing to get loud and stupid and play a part.
It is something else entirely to methodically go through the steps, to check all the marks... and to make Hitler proud.
Some things just test my patience... and those !@#$ers... will be the first to !@#$ around and find out.

 

[Jaskalas]

Annnnny minute now.

To be fair, this is almost certainly their day to shine.

 

[fskimospy]

To be fair, this is almost certainly their day to shine.

I guess that depends on what you mean. In terms of republicans regaining some political power? Most likely. In terms of accomplishing literally any of the objectives of Qanon? Lol no.

 

[soundforbjt]

Ummmm... are those people on the ballot? We have some IL supreme court folks on the ballot this year as well as governor.

I didn’t vote In this poll, I voted by mail for the elections.

 

[compcons]

I didn’t vote In this poll, I voted by mail for the elections.

Well that makes more sense. I oddly feel just a little bit better.

 

[HomerJS]

Legal challenges aren't a coup attempt. The system worked as intended, Joe was seated as president.
The fundamental issue isn't politics so much as tribalism. We all jump on board with our team then tell each other how stupid, violent, backward, and foolish the other side is. We post story after story proving beyond doubt that we're the better group. Most of it is written by extremists, and that's why we end up reading "end of democracy" trash.

Was the shit that happened on Jan 6 a legal challenge?? You willing to live with the next crazed white mob getting a few rooms from assassinating a member of Congress?

You call that a working Democracy??

 

[manly]

Was the shit that happened on Jan 6 a legal challenge?? You willing to live with the next crazed white mob getting a few rooms from assassinating a member of Congress?

You call that a working Democracy??

It's not just the violent insurrection. Much of the GOP House caucus on Jan. 6th was voting to stop the routine certification of the vote, in hopes that a few key states would replace its slate of electors.

 

[zinfamous]

Legal challenges aren't a coup attempt.

It is because of you that democracy will fail, full stop. Simply because you don't udnerstand what words mean is why this country will fail.

It's amazing to consider, but it's where we are right now and it is very much true. You alone don't get to decide what a coup is. See, the rest of us already know a coup when we see it. But for you, it doesn't matter because the result is what you want.

 

[MrSquished]

Was the shit that happened on Jan 6 a legal challenge?? You willing to live with the next crazed white mob getting a few rooms from assassinating a member of Congress?

You call that a working Democracy??

Not to mention directly trying to pressure states to find him votes, or sending fake electors, or any of that.

We will see T-Rexes walk the earth before Greenman ever deals in reality.