Will Bush get Bin Laden before Nov 4?

[glugglug]

Did they check ALL the McCain residences?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I can confirm that I have seen links on yahoo news basically saying this decision to put US boots on the ground and use air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan came from GWB himself. And as such,
its a palehorse and JOS wet dream come true, because this is exactly what they have been advocating for at least two years.

Will this decision lead to the capture of Ossama Bin Laden, is Ossama even alive, will this decision badly backfire, and questions like that are indeed way above the pay grade of my crystal ball.

But a few points to make.

1. This is an rather abrupt policy shift by GWB&co. And yes, it may be cynical electioneering. The longer terms consequences may be borne by our future President.

2. Or alternately, it could result in the Capture of Ossama Bin Laden and Al Zawarhi. Or it could result in a US defeat before the election, with world wide condemnation of US and Nato tactics resulting in an offer they cannot refuse of Yankee go home with an admixture of hang down your head Tom Dooley, because the world is tired of Tom Foolery.

3. Or it could just kick the can further down the road, with Pakistani and Afghan public opinion increasing anti Nato and anti US.

I still feel that this policy is not very smart, now it looks like palehorse and JOS are going to have their ideas put to the 55 day test. And JOS and palehorse, you better stand and deliver, because if you fail, you will not prevail in the arena of rational ideas.

Just for the record, my proposed solution calls for many more simultaneous operations than what we've seen in the last two weeks... as JoS has pointed out, the total solution requires many more sets of SOF boots on the ground directing and/or conducting the hits.

Yes, I'm very happy to see the ball finally start rolling in the right direction. But,
I'll let you know when to start the real timer...

"finally"?

And i disagree, we need more planes and less bullsheit, i really can do with less bullsheit and having to go back because there is nothing i can do about it.

Actually it's hard to say i disagree because we need more specialists all around but without planes, we're not going to have much impact in these areas right now.

Now nests or single groups in a village, that's where we do better work, in strongholds as it's mostly about now, we need more planes in the air, helios are not that great for this.

I don't disagree with you regarding the air power.. not one bit. however, we need more teams than we currently have. regular troops wont cut it.

More SOF boots and increased air support.... sounds great to me!

Originally posted by: Lemon law
55 days and counting, tick tick tick.

wtf is with this 55-day nonsense?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
55 days and counting, tick tick tick. Quite frankly I do not give a damn about JOS's remaining length of deployment, nor do I consider JOS the enemy, the question is and remains, is what JOS advocates wise or
stupidity. Blame not JOS, when GWB&co empowers those who will screw the pooch yet again.

Cheer up JOS, your ideas and my ideas are going to be put to the acid test of results.

My warning lost, your side won, now the onus is still on your side to deliver results.

I don't portray my ideas as some sort of ideal, in my ideal my services would be useless, until they are, i'll be fighting for that idea. THAT is the biggest difference between you and me.

Son, for the fucking last time, i'm not on a "side" i do what is needed when it is needed and what side you think is pro or against is irrelevant to me.

I'm not like you, i'll never be like you.

Well, i guess i shouldn't say never, i might get shot in the head one day.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I can confirm that I have seen links on yahoo news basically saying this decision to put US boots on the ground and use air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan came from GWB himself. And as such,
its a palehorse and JOS wet dream come true, because this is exactly what they have been advocating for at least two years.

Will this decision lead to the capture of Ossama Bin Laden, is Ossama even alive, will this decision badly backfire, and questions like that are indeed way above the pay grade of my crystal ball.

But a few points to make.

1. This is an rather abrupt policy shift by GWB&co. And yes, it may be cynical electioneering. The longer terms consequences may be borne by our future President.

2. Or alternately, it could result in the Capture of Ossama Bin Laden and Al Zawarhi. Or it could result in a US defeat before the election, with world wide condemnation of US and Nato tactics resulting in an offer they cannot refuse of Yankee go home with an admixture of hang down your head Tom Dooley, because the world is tired of Tom Foolery.

3. Or it could just kick the can further down the road, with Pakistani and Afghan public opinion increasing anti Nato and anti US.

I still feel that this policy is not very smart, now it looks like palehorse and JOS are going to have their ideas put to the 55 day test. And JOS and palehorse, you better stand and deliver, because if you fail, you will not prevail in the arena of rational ideas.

Just for the record, my proposed solution calls for many more simultaneous operations than what we've seen in the last two weeks... as JoS has pointed out, the total solution requires many more sets of SOF boots on the ground directing and/or conducting the hits.

Yes, I'm very happy to see the ball finally start rolling in the right direction. But,
I'll let you know when to start the real timer...

"finally"?

And i disagree, we need more planes and less bullsheit, i really can do with less bullsheit and having to go back because there is nothing i can do about it.

Actually it's hard to say i disagree because we need more specialists all around but without planes, we're not going to have much impact in these areas right now.

Now nests or single groups in a village, that's where we do better work, in strongholds as it's mostly about now, we need more planes in the air, helios are not that great for this.

I don't disagree with you regarding the air power.. not one bit. however, we need more teams than we currently have. regular troops wont cut it.

More SOF boots and increased air support.... sounds great to me!

Originally posted by: Lemon law
55 days and counting, tick tick tick.

wtf is with this 55-day nonsense?

If we don't get enough to support us, more boots isn't going to help, but if we do, then i wouldn't mind spotting some purple or greens in the area.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If we don't get enough to support us, more boots isn't going to help, but if we do, then i wouldn't mind spotting some purple or greens in the area.

AFAIC, we should throw our entire box of "crayons" at the problem and get it the fuck over with already...

 

[MadRat]

There hasn't been a single credible sighting of Osama since the bombing of his mule train in Tora Bora, and that's a fact, Jack.

 

[littlebird]

No. US needs a nominal reason to keep military presence in that region.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: MadRat
There hasn't been a single credible sighting of Osama since the bombing of his mule train in Tora Bora, and that's a fact, Jack.

Wow, the CIA lets you, a spy, discuss intelligence on forums? Crazy!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If we don't get enough to support us, more boots isn't going to help, but if we do, then i wouldn't mind spotting some purple or greens in the area.

AFAIC, we should throw our entire box of "crayons" at the problem and get it the fuck over with already...

Getting it the fuck over with is a great idea, i'm doing my best.

This place needs more purple, definently needs more purple, too little purple.

Black would be wasted, green though, that would be nice, especially to the east.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: MadRat
There hasn't been a single credible sighting of Osama since the bombing of his mule train in Tora Bora, and that's a fact, Jack.

Too funny.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If we don't get enough to support us, more boots isn't going to help, but if we do, then i wouldn't mind spotting some purple or greens in the area.

AFAIC, we should throw our entire box of "crayons" at the problem and get it the fuck over with already...

Getting it the fuck over with is a great idea, i'm doing my best.

This place needs more purple, definently needs more purple, too little purple.

Black would be wasted, green though, that would be nice, especially to the east.

LOL!! I'm laughing in real life right now because I'm picturing LL sitting in his basement trying to decipher your post!

It's such a colorful world...

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bin Laden is already dead, or in one of our secret prisons.

At this point, his value is merely as a bogey-man for the GOP to scare their simple-minded base into voting for them.

Speaking of simple minded people. At least you're starting your 9/11 material off well.

You are an astoundingly foolish person, in almost every sense of the term.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If we don't get enough to support us, more boots isn't going to help, but if we do, then i wouldn't mind spotting some purple or greens in the area.

AFAIC, we should throw our entire box of "crayons" at the problem and get it the fuck over with already...

Getting it the fuck over with is a great idea, i'm doing my best.

This place needs more purple, definently needs more purple, too little purple.

Black would be wasted, green though, that would be nice, especially to the east.

LOL!! I'm laughing in real life right now because I'm picturing LL sitting in his basement trying to decipher your post!

It's such a colorful world...

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Sorry Charlie palehorse, this is no longer about me sitting in my basement, this is all about you and all about GWB&co. Fact is, you won and I lost the public policy debate, the USA is going to invade the tribal areas of Pakistan. Fats is in the fire.

Confukingraduations, palehorse, now you better make good your promises.

That is and remains the bottom line.

I do not have to do jack dooley now, the onus is now on you to deliver on your promises.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If we don't get enough to support us, more boots isn't going to help, but if we do, then i wouldn't mind spotting some purple or greens in the area.

AFAIC, we should throw our entire box of "crayons" at the problem and get it the fuck over with already...

Getting it the fuck over with is a great idea, i'm doing my best.

This place needs more purple, definently needs more purple, too little purple.

Black would be wasted, green though, that would be nice, especially to the east.

LOL!! I'm laughing in real life right now because I'm picturing LL sitting in his basement trying to decipher your post!

It's such a colorful world...

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Sorry Charlie palehorse, this is no longer about me sitting in my basement, this is all about you and all about GWB&co. Fact is, you won and I lost the public policy debate, the USA is going to invade the tribal areas of Pakistan. Fats is in the fire.

Confukingraduations, palehorse, now you better make good your promises.

That is and remains the bottom line.

I do not have to do jack dooley now, the onus is now on you to deliver on your promises.

Son, we've been in Pakistan since July.

I just started telling people where i was since it was no longer a big secret, that was about a month ago....

This isn't news to most people in this thread.

 

[Budmantom]

Not if the Democrats have anything to do with it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Not if the Democrats have anything to do with it.

Well, a republican, a part of the US administration even, stated yesterday that this war in Afghanistan might be unwinnable and wanted more international troops to join.

At the same time another minister said that the coalition troops were soon to be down by 95% in Iraq.

Now if you think that the troops count down is going to Afghanistan, you can forget that, especially since the most needed services are not even allowed to participate here because of the US being in charge.

We need support and most of all we need planes that can close in so fast they don't even hear them before they start to run. We need to take this out now, hell we've been waiting for six years to do this shit.

 

[dahunan]

How hard is it to capture Dick Cheney?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: dahunan
How hard is it to capture Dick Cheney?

Well, the man shoots people who are supposed to be his friends in the face....