Will Blu-Ray eventually go away

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purbeast0

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I bought a bluray player 3 yrs ago. I think I played two movies on it and haven't touched it since. I agree that seeing the pores or strand of hair isn't going to add to the movies. Actually with so much computer special effects now, having the picture being super clear makes it a distraction. DVD quality is good enough for me as well.

as someone with a pretty high a/v setup, the video quality isn't what the streaming services lack the most - it is the audio quality. the audio quality of the best stream on netflix is way further away from the bluray sound quality than the streaming video quality is compared to the bluray video quality.

i've definitely streamed some movies through netflix and amazon prime, and it's watchable, but i'd never stream a movie with a lot of action because it would be a waste compared to the quality of sound i'd get from a bluray.
 
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I never bought a Blu-Ray player for my TV (after I trashed my DVD player). It seems like a waste considering you get can everything you need from a combo of Hulu, Netflix, Redbox-instant.

I can understand it if you like to get movies on blu-ray as soon as they are released.

Did VHS, BetaMax, and Cassette Tapes go away?

Almost all electronics will go away at some point, so why not blu-ray?

Wait, what was the point of this thread?
 
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as someone with a pretty high a/v setup, the video quality isn't what the streaming services lack the most - it is the audio quality. the audio quality of the best stream on netflix is way further away from the bluray sound quality than the streaming video quality is compared to the bluray video quality.

i've definitely streamed some movies through netflix and amazon prime, and it's watchable, but i'd never stream a movie with a lot of action because it would be a waste compared to the quality of sound i'd get from a bluray.

Indeed. Most people don't care about video or audio quality though, so Bluray and HD physical media will continue to be a niche market. But we're also going to need some serious improvements to our infrastructure for streaming services to completely eliminate the need for physical media. Network outages? Low bandwidth? Data caps? These are the real problems for streaming. I've never once put in a bluray and been unable to watch it because it kept buffering. Streaming is super convenient until it doesn't work.
 

mmntech

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You can thank the DRM (and the speed of your player) for that.

Ironically, DRM has probably done more to hamper BD's adoption than it has to increase it. Ripping them to a personal media server can be an exercise in extreme patience.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Did VHS, BetaMax, and Cassette Tapes go away?

Almost all electronics will go away at some point, so why not blu-ray?

8-Tracks will never die! Never! Never! Never!!!!

Screw CDs, all you need for a killer home stereo is one of these.

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M0oG0oGaiPan

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yes but not for now. streaming is great but honestly i don't think the netflix library is that great. i usually spend more time looking for something to watch then actually watching. also, you have isps throttling and bandwidth caps to deal with. you don't always have access to commentary tracks that collector's seem to like.

if you do any torrenting, you'll see a lot of people complaining about poor audio. someone that wants the full experience is probably going to prefer a blu ray although torrents/on demand is already really good imho.
 

Red Squirrel

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I don't even own a bluray player. I don't see them go away though, in fact I can see them try to come up with yet another format so you have to buy yet another player. Probably to try to push 8k. Can BR do 4k? If not, then they'll come up with a format for 4k, then later on one for 8k. The movie companies love that since they can sell the same movie like 10 times.

"Star Wars digitally enhanced!" No matter what way you put it, it was still filmed at whatever resolution was available at the time, but they'll still try to sell it again and again and again on new formats. :awe:

I love having a file. It never goes obsolete, I can view it through any program I want, I can back it up, etc... As a kid, there was a novelty of owning a movie on VHS and having it physical, but now I find it's not really a novelty anymore, I'm happy with a file sitting on my SAN.
 

KeithTalent

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I don't even own a bluray player. I don't see them go away though, in fact I can see them try to come up with yet another format so you have to buy yet another player. Probably to try to push 8k. Can BR do 4k? If not, then they'll come up with a format for 4k, then later on one for 8k. The movie companies love that since they can sell the same movie like 10 times.

"Star Wars digitally enhanced!" No matter what way you put it, it was still filmed at whatever resolution was available at the time, but they'll still try to sell it again and again and again on new formats. :awe:

I love having a file. It never goes obsolete, I can view it through any program I want, I can back it up, etc... As a kid, there was a novelty of owning a movie on VHS and having it physical, but now I find it's not really a novelty anymore, I'm happy with a file sitting on my SAN.

Of course you are happy because you are not paying for it.

KT
 

motsm

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"Star Wars digitally enhanced!" No matter what way you put it, it was still filmed at whatever resolution was available at the time, but they'll still try to sell it again and again and again on new formats. :awe:
The original trilogy was filmed on 35mm, so it doesn't have a static digital resolution. Often times, terms like "Digitally restored & enhanced" means they rescanned the original film at whatever current digital technology allows. Since 35mm film has a theoretical resolution of over 3K, re-releasing old movies with a modern 4K transfer often makes them look a lot better.
 

Ketchup

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If Wikipedia is correct, I believe Blue-ray will be around for quite a while. In the future I think that it will evolve into something that will hold a higher resolution and more complex audio formats, but that can exist with Blu-Ray considering the development that is already under way, such as a 4K Ultra HD, and discs that will hold up to 1 TB of data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

As with all technology, sure, it will go away some day, but the difference between audio and video of a Blu-ray disc and online through Netflix/Hulu could not be more clear.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Until we get fiber in every home (like these cities), physical media won't die.

I like my 2.35 AR films to have a 8.5Mbps bitrate video track + 640kbps AC3 / 1536kbps DTS audio track.
For 1.85AR, step the video bitrate up to ~10Mbps.
Netflix streaming doesn't come close.
 

Ichinisan

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Currently, BD is still the best format to own something. I don't have to worry that it will disappear from Netflix before I can show it to someone. VOD and iTunes / Amazon rental fees are outrageous...especially considering how poor the quality is.
 

cubby1223

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Every now and then these threads come out.

If you don't want to buy movies in the Blu-ray format, then don't buy movies in the Blu-ray format.

Blu-ray discs will always be playable. Your purchases from a streaming service all go away when the streaming service runs out of money and shuts down.

Or like what happened to me a few weeks ago, began watching Orphan Black on Comcast's On Demand services. I get 4 episodes in, and Oct. 1 comes, the show has been dropped from On Demand. It has also been dropped from Netflix. Finished off the first season through the Amazon Prime account, but nowhere was season 2 available at no added cost (and I'm someone who really enjoys when a show is not a pixelated slurry on the screen, i.e. don't want to watch the illegitimate steams) I bought the Blu-ray of season 2 for a lesser price than any of the streaming service purchases.

But the difference is, I didn't feel the need to hop on a message board and lecture people about how other people should adopt my opinion on the subject. If you don't want to buy Blu-ray discs, don't buy Blu-ray discs. It all comes down to how much value you place on audio & visual quality.
 
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destrekor

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I don't even own a bluray player. I don't see them go away though, in fact I can see them try to come up with yet another format so you have to buy yet another player. Probably to try to push 8k. Can BR do 4k? If not, then they'll come up with a format for 4k, then later on one for 8k. The movie companies love that since they can sell the same movie like 10 times.

"Star Wars digitally enhanced!" No matter what way you put it, it was still filmed at whatever resolution was available at the time, but they'll still try to sell it again and again and again on new formats. :awe:

I love having a file. It never goes obsolete, I can view it through any program I want, I can back it up, etc... As a kid, there was a novelty of owning a movie on VHS and having it physical, but now I find it's not really a novelty anymore, I'm happy with a file sitting on my SAN.

If it was FILMED, on film, then it can actually be presented at higher quality than we have now.

Have you seriously not heard about the quality of a well-mastered film negative? 4K isn't enough to match what the film can actually produce.

You're happy with low-quality rips - great, enjoy.

Blu-ray will actually be around for some time - some of the earliest Blu-ray players will not be capable of playing new discs mastered under new revisions to the Blu-ray standard, such as discs with 4 or more layers, but the standard will live on and many players available today will simply need firmware updates.

Blu-ray was designed to NOT require a new format come the next wave in technology. That next wave is 4K. I don't know if there was ever a plan to survive beyond 4K (to include 4K-3D, which will surely be on BD as well), but that's two generations of consumer video technology. Not a single home video format ever survived a leap. Heck, TV's were still 480i (same as when VHS was launched) when VHS was officially replaced with DVD, of which also remained dedicated to 480i, though with support for 480p introduced later.

It's not really about maximizing resales of old movies. You make it sound easy.
The first, and most challenging aspect, is convincing the consumer the new format is indeed necessary. There's an extreme cost to getting formats up and running from the development and licensing standpoint, and the new consumer electronics will be necessarily expensive to both recoup this R&D cost and support new hardware component production when costs are still high at the manufacturer.



FWIW, I'll stream content from Netflix and Amazon, and even Vudu on occasion, but ultimately, Vudu is where I go only when it's a movie I want the best quality, yet I cannot find it in a Redbox nor is it a disc I actually want to purchase.

If it's a movie where I want the best possible experience, I am either buying it, renting it from Redbox, or doing one of two things: waiting until I see a good sale, or just watching it on Vudu.

I will never replace "the ultimate experience" will lousy and lossy audio and video. Too much is lost compared to what can be achieved through Blu-ray.

And I hope nobody kids themselves into believing we'll be streaming Blu-ray quality content in the next 10 years. The infrastructure projects move at a snails pace in the US, and even if you can get gigabit to the home, that's last-mile. You might get a few places you can max out that link, but the Tier 1 providers and CDNs can not sustain the roughly 50Mbps bandwidth for content to the majority of users who wish to view digital video. The top actual bitrates for streaming we see is, iirc, around 8-10Mbps? A provider like Vudu might suggest you have a 20Mbps downlink for HDX, but the video and audio combined is not 20Mbps. It might peak in some scenes higher, but average, iirc, is around 10Mbps or less. Netflix, likewise, suggests, what, 12Mbps for HD but the top 1080p bitrate is around 7Mbps. If my source is accurate, Netflix's 4K is roughly 15Mbps - which is pathetic for 4K, even with advances in compression algorithms.

And don't even get my started on the sound, ugh... I think they still top out at less than 500Kbps for DD+ or whatever. Even if the streaming services deliver quality video, they still refuse to add the option to deliver improved audio tracks. Even with a lossy codec, you can get close to 2Mbps for good DD+ tracks. Lossless tracks can trend toward 15Mbps average -- the Blu-ray standard allows for 24.5Mbps DTS-MA. In many scenes, that is unnecessary, so it could be 5Mbps in one scene and nearly 25Mbps in another.

Tier 1 ISPs and CDNs cannot provide even half a million viewers with a sustained 50Mbps throughput for a Blu-ray quality experience. And they won't be able to for quite some time - the U.S. is behind in broadband for many reasons, and not all are driven by corporate greed. The U.S. has a very low average population density, with population in pockets far more spread out than anywhere else in the world. To support that, for our 318 Million-strong country, would cost significantly more than it costs to upgrade more dense (and geographically smaller) countries like Japan and most of Europe.

You can get individual cities and regions up to gigabit (and do so with high costs), but you can't really get them much of the greater-internet delivered anywhere near that speed. You can get bursts, and random data mirrors, but not sustained throughput and media content from the largest content networks in the world.


If you don't care about video quality and watch on TV speakers or budget surround sound... you won't miss the quality. It's not everyone's desire to care that much, I get that. Quite a few, like my parents, basically could care less, but still don't really give two shits. They'll still watch non-HD digital cable channels on either of the plasmas, and my dad might turn on a non-HD ESPN channel even when HD actually is an option. Yet they did accept Blu-ray, they have but a small handful of movies, and don't rent. I've come to realize my parents represent the absolute average of the general population. They haven't adopted streaming, but with cable VOD they basically get what they want in that sense.
 

SlitheryDee

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It will certainly go away. It seems that they'll be able to stretch it out for quite a few years yet though. By the time it is truly hitting it's ceiling for content quality streaming video will probably be very very good though. All but the most anal a/v enthusiasts will probably be fine with streaming by then, and companies will have figured out how to get the latest content up for streaming in a similar time frame to how blu rays are released currently.

It's already almost like that. As someone with a pretty decent HT setup, I can appreciate the superior quality of blu ray vs streaming as well as the next guy, but occasionally I'll rent or purchase a movie from amazon instant video instead of waiting for it to come in from netflix. I gotta say, being able to watch a movie as fast as I can tell Amazon to take my money scratches a primal itch in my reptile brain or something. It just feels good. I am anxiously waiting for the time to come that streaming quality is at least good enough that it is hard to tell a difference between it and the blu ray in either audio or video.
 

NutBucket

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Most people don't care about video or audio quality though, so Bluray and HD physical media will continue to be a niche market.
This is the essence of the thread summed up in one sentence.

I buy blu-rays for the reasons already discussed. As a bonus, I like being a cheapass by only watching OTA TV and am rewarded with better picture quality over cable/satellite. It's a win-win on every front!
 

13Gigatons

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OTA and BluRay are the ONLY good options for HDTV viewing.

Low-Def on a large 60"+ TV is unwatchable.

Satellite and Cable try to sell HiDef as an upgrade. Streaming is only useful for tablets and PC.
 

motsm

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If it was FILMED, on film, then it can actually be presented at higher quality than we have now.

Have you seriously not heard about the quality of a well-mastered film negative? 4K isn't enough to match what the film can actually produce.
All the info I've read on the matter says 35mm is just a little over 3K resolution, but I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment as I made a similar post earlier. 4K remasters can make older films look spectacular.

As for buying Blu Ray, commentary tracks and extra features are a big incentive, so it's not just the quality improvements for me.
 
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Jumpem

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No. The quality of streaming leaves a lot to be desired.

I am eagerly awaiting 4k Blu-ray late next year.
 

Zodiark1593

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Lacking home broadband, physical media is the only way to go.

As for Blu Ray, it will simply be replaced by a new physical medium lime every other before it.