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Will ATI's R300 really put everything on Anand's GPU shootout using UT2003 to shame? I mean what if it doesn't?

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I wasn't talking about OEM's..."Built By" and "Powered by" are different things. Since when does nVidia even make their own chips. Everything they do is OEM which means "need tech support? Call OEM." or even "Card crapped out? Not our problem!" ATI at least puts their name + reputation behind the chip they make. If an Nvidia chip sucks, it's always "Blame the OEM"
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Welcome to 2002 clueless one. ATi now also has their cards made by third-parties as well and have been for some time.

Hercules, Gigabyte, and Tyan make their own 8500 cards.

NVIDIA sells more chips, PERIOD. Get over it. NVIDIA has been recording record profits for the past 4 years. ATi has been losing money.

Get your facts straight before you start spouting off BS.
 
Here's something for you buddy. Real life experience. I recently had a lan party with 12 people. Of those 12 people only 1 had an ATI card and it was an all in wonder. Proof that Nvidia rules the enthusiant market. Of all of the systems there, only one was unable to play ghost recon. The ati system. It would crash - hard lock - within a few minutes. It turned out that it just couldn't handle 32 bit textures and he had to crank the settings down. This happened with Renegade too although there was no fix we could find. Oh, and he couldn't use FSAA in tacops like we could. His system crashed. Yeah, that's impressive. Yes, he was using the newest drivers that are supposedly so improved. Are they improved? Yes. Are they anywhere near the level of Nvidia's? No way. Is that comment you made about nvidia making their own "chips" valid? no. They do make their own chips. They don't make their own cards. However, good manufacturers like visiontek do offer a lifetime warranty and nvidia makes very stringent guidlines for their manufacture. ATI is also producing third party cards as well. I don't see how that's relevant.
So, to recap:
not as fast
not as stable
texture problems (see may issue of maximum pc)
not the market leader or not even close.
crazy fanboys
 
The sad thing about all this is if someone posted "nVidia is the best. They have no competition. Anyone who buys anything else is a n00b who knows nothing about hardware"; i bet no-one here would even argue.

A lot of you should feel some remorse over the way you ripped into the market leader thing even though you failed to realize that nVidia sells chips for OEM, not cards...I don't expect an apology but you should think twice before being a complete ass...there's no link that needs to be given on this. Is there anyone here who has a 4600 "built by nVidia"? didn't think so...I'm not going to argue semantics with you people anymore.

NFS4; it's people like you that make message board debates worthless. If you ever started a point with that in real life, you'd get a punch right in the face...

Therapist; I'm not being an ass to anyone who doesn't blatantly insult me. maybe you should stop being so biased and think about what you're saying to another person! Your bias is shown by the fact that you ignored that 3-4 links is over "like a billion" of you as opposed to there being only one "me."...Your whole post is countered by the OEM thing.

So let's summarize:

1) Original Question: Will R300 kill the 4600 in benching? Duh! It's a next gen card...
2) Is ATi the market leader: Yes, because nVidia has a market share of ZERO. it doesn't sell cards!
3) A bunch of you; although not nearly all are just being assholes for no good reason.

this conversation should have ended a long time ago with this post:

Rainsford
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07/01/2002 10:37 AM



Hehe, I love it. "A card coming out in the future will be faster than video cards that have been out for a while now." Thanks, Captain Obvious.


(Although the captain obvious thing didn't make much sense to tell me since the original question had only one obvious answer. I merely stated the obvious...)


So seriously, unless you just enjoy being an ass to someone, there's no reason to continue this topic...

 
I still don't see your point. It makes no sense. So what if nvidia sells to visiontek and visiontek sells to me (just like ATI sometimes) what difference does it make? It still has a lifetime warranty (unlike ATI) and still kicks ATI's cards ass. Why would you want an apology for that? What the FSCK does that have to do with ANYTHING? Are you in grade school or something? I just can't follow your thinking. The reason that there are a "billion of us and only one of you" is because your argument is just so stupid. No one will stand behind it. It's not because we're nvidia zealots. It's because we AREN'T ATI nutcases making crazy claims that make no sense. Nice, telling another poster that he'd get a punch in the face for his opinion. You're truly an ignoramus. Go crash some games.
 
i really wish this board had 72 font so that I could with one statement cut off about half to three fourths of the posts from this thread:

"I never said I disliked nVidia. I've ran various nVidia powered cards since the days of nVidia Vanta. I've has an ATI card for a week. nVidia powers quality cards but to think that ATI is incapable and to think that the *nVidia is the best because its nVidia* is not a valid statement or one worth serious consideration"
 
A lot of you should feel some remorse over the way you ripped into the market leader thing even though you failed to realize that nVidia sells chips for OEM, not cards...I don't expect an apology but you should think twice before being a complete ass..
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Actually, you already made a complete ass out of yourself, and continue to embarass yourself even more with every post you make. Mercury research data shows the number of graphics card sold to computer manufacturers (desktop standalone, integrated, and mobile), not the number of graphics chips sold to board makers.

So, let's summarize:

Nivida is the graphics market leader.
2x revenue of ATI in the last quarter.
2x market share.
5x profit

🙂

Leon
 
Originally posted by: 7757524
Here's something for you buddy. Real life experience. I recently had a lan party with 12 people. Of those 12 people only 1 had an ATI card and it was an all in wonder. Proof that Nvidia rules the enthusiant market. Of all of the systems there, only one was unable to play ghost recon. The ati system. It would crash - hard lock - within a few minutes. It turned out that it. Are they anywhere near the level of Nvidia's? No way. Is that comment you made about nvidia making their own "chips" va just couldn't handle 32 bit textures and he had to crank the settings down. This happened with Renegade too although there was no fix we could find. Oh, and he couldn't use FSAA in tacops like we could. His system crashed. Yeah, that's impressive. Yes, he was using the newest drivers that are supposedly so improved. Are they improved? Yeslid? no. They do make their own chips. They don't make their own cards. However, good manufacturers like visiontek do offer a lifetime warranty and nvidia makes very stringent guidlines for their manufacture. ATI is also producing third party cards as well. I don't see how that's relevant.
So, to recap:
not as fast
not as stable
texture problems (see may issue of maximum pc)
not the market leader or not even close.
crazy fanboys
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Everyone knows its impossible to build a stable ATI system
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Yeah, really, if, when you said that ATI is the market leader, you were going to completely discount nvidia becuase they don't make their own PCBs then you must have been meaning to compare it to some other graphics maker's share...uh, would that be Intel. I doubt it. You were obviously trying to knock down Nvidia and prove that your ATI is better because it sells more and when you were pointed out as wrong you changed your story...idiot.
 
*nVidia is the best because its nVidia* is not a valid statement or one worth serious consideration
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You're right. It's not a valid statement. And I don't believe that anyone here would say that. We're not like you. Nvidia is the best because they have such a market penetration that games are programed right to them. They are the fastest, most compatible, and most stable cards on the market - that's cards, not chips -
 
*nVidia is the best because its nVidia* is not a valid statement or one worth serious consideration
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You're right. It's not a valid statement. And I don't believe that anyone here would say that. We're not like you. Nvidia is the best because they have such a market penetration that games are programed right to them. They are the fastest, most compatible, and most stable cards on the market - that's cards, not chips -
 
Originally posted by: antondorokhin


Therapist; I'm not being an ass to anyone who doesn't blatantly insult me. maybe you should stop being so biased and think about what you're saying to another person! Your bias is shown by the fact that you ignored that 3-4 links is over "like a billion" of you as opposed to there being only one "me."...Your whole post is countered by the OEM thing.
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Well, I had edited my post because I felt bad about calling you a dorky little bitch, but now I don't feel so remorseful for having done so, only remorseful for having edited it.
My bias is shown by the fact that there are so many of us, that's why we have 3-4 links? Your bias is shown by the fact that you have yet to produce even 1 link, yet blindly hold onto your WRONG statement. The OEM thing doesn't make any sense at all; who cares about the actual cards, as long as the chipset is the best? Just like who cares about having a computer made by Compaq or Dell or Gateway or Noname or custom built as long as there's a P4 or an AMD quality chip in there and the parts are all good? Anand has already proved in his various video card roundups that there's no significant real world difference between cards with the same chipset (minus slight fluctuations in temps and overclocking ability, cosmetics).


"1) Original Question: Will R300 kill the 4600 in benching? Duh! It's a next gen card..."

Like i said, I wasn't arguing with you on this point, as this is the only argument in which no one can back up reasonably.

Finally, I see you've decided also to state "So seriously, unless you just enjoy being an ass to someone, there's no reason to continue this topic..." but follow it nicely with another post, 10 minutes later.
😀
 
7757524; yet again you prove to be nothing more than an ass. It was you who started arguing semantics. I never made that as a "primary point" in the discussion. It was merely countering the view that ATI is incapable of keeping up...Seriously; it's not that irrelevent to the topic, so stop being an ass by making every post about that one statement.

As i've said before, its easy to just criticize.... you haven't contributed anything to the thread discussion (Will ATI's R300 really put everything on Anand's GPU shootout using UT2003 to shame? I mean what if it doesn't?) so why don't you take just stop talking!
 
Hhehe, I think I know how antondorokhin feels. I used to be a 3dfx zealot in these forums back in the voodoo3 days. Damn I was loyal to that company, until they went to sh*t 😀
 
I would stop talking but I'm having a lot of fun playing with you. You're a really stupid person. I still go back every so often and read the post where you said you would punch NFS4 in the face for having his opinion in real life. That's rich. Here's what I have to contribute to the original question:
Hey, has anyone else noticed that this thread is nothing more than a platform for an ATI zealot to say "our new card is coming out soon and then we'll be on top."
It's obvious that he's already made up his mind and doens't need anyone's opinions. Will it be faster? Maybe. Will it be as compatible or stable. Snowballs chance in hell. Your thread wasn't actually a question. It could just as easily have been read:
ATI's new card will bury Nvidia...HA HA HA HA I WIN! I'm so COOOOOL!
 
FOR THE LAST TIME. Learn to read!! I never have said ATI is better. NEVER! Stop misquoting me....I prefer nVidia chips; all I've ever said was that yes: R300 will be better than the 4600....


Therapist928; i'm just trying to not be an ass. If people post something directed at me, i respond...

And oh yeah...I didn't start the thread. Yet again; you're just an asshole. If I'm being dubbed "dumbass of the day" then this guy better be "ass of the century"
 
wow, lucky on my side of the fence...that's a new one. Remember that chieftec thread? LOL! Oh well. There's a new chieftec thread too. I think he's going to get it from a shop just down the road from me 🙂
 

"Therapist928; i'm just trying to not be an ass. If people post something directed at me, i respond..."

wow, when you respond you should try not to be an ass too. I dunno if you dropped out in grade 5 or something but definitely some training on logical thinking is in order...
 


I think the R300 will be an awesome card, and be better than the ge4, but then Nvidia will stopm it with the NV30 just like the 8500 and the gefroce3, then nvidia released the ge4, besides no matter how fast a card ATI makes, unreal is still gonna be waaaaaaay optimized for the geforce chips
 
1) Original Question: Will R300 kill the 4600 in benching? Duh! It's a next gen card...
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Did the Matrox Parhelia kill the 4600 in benching? Duh! No, and it's a next gen card... (wasn't even close most of the time)
 
Yeah, I think that we don't have nearly enough info to say either way. Educated guess even is impossible. One thing that we can do is look at the past. Around this time last release the 8500 was hyped up EVEN MORE than this chip WAYYYY more and was supposed to dethrone the then kind by a wide margin. Well it didn't. It was slower. Then a new release knocked it off the chart. History may repeat itself.
 
AmdInside, that was beautiful man. Absolutely pricesless. Wow, is it thise hot anywhere else in the world. I live in canada and we're having the hottest day in history here. The humidex is at like 45. I've never seen temps above like 25 before. I think it's affecting my head....not so much that I can't still laugh at our ATI guy here though.
 
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