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Will Anand sell out?

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jhalada

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I am curious about Anand's upcoming review of P4.

Will Anand sell out and run the benchmarks Intel will tell him to run, the way Intel will tell him to run them, with the compiler Intel will provide, with the compiler settings that Intel will provide, or will Anand be fair.

Will Anand disclose the conditions Intel placed on reviewers as a condition for receiving evaluation units?

I can sense a huge misinformation campaign that will be waged by Intel. Will Anand be an Intel pawn, or will he maintain independence.

I still remember every web site (including Anand) hawking "Naturally Speaking" speech recognition application when Intel released a processor with SSE, which was the only application that existed at the time to showcase SSE, and it became the standard for "High End Application Performance". Somehow, the application disappeared from all the reviews.

What is going to be the "Naturally Speaking" of Pentium IV? Will Anand be a good soldier, report what Intel asks him and salute? The sudden inclusion of SPEC FP benchmarks, P4 best application (using Intel compiler, with Intel optimization flags) seems to indicate that Anand will do as he is told by Intel.

Does anybody think it is a coincidence that Anand suddenly started to use SPEC, at exactly the same moment Intel needs him to include it?
 
So if Anand gives the P4 the thumbs up, he's a sell out!? (I can sense some paranoia!)

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Why don't you give him the chance to do the review first, before you start calling him a sell out?
 
he probably already has sold out at some point. Sorry to be cynical but some of his past reviews, like the first geforce one, the first coppermine one , etc.
 
WOW,

Anand can't win :disgust:

He includes SPEC, one of the most respected benchmark's in the industry, for the DDR review and the Athlon obliterates the PIII in that benchmark.

The next thing you know people are calling him an Intel sheep for including it.

I have read many hardware review sites and Anand is as objective as you can get.

 
So if Anand gives the P4 the thumbs up, he's a sell out!?

No, it depends on benchmarks he runs. Anand seems to be laying the ground work for a huge misinformation campaign on behalf of Intel by including 4 pages of SPEC benchmarks, promising even more. This is the one benchmark Intel wants him to run.

BTW, how often do you run a weather prediction algorithm on your computer? Do you simulate Northbridge Earthquake? Do you use your computer for face recognition? How about simulation of "large systems of molecules"?
 
I noticed those tests in the last review. I didnt think he put much importance in them. I certainly dont look at em, but I also dont know what they mean. But to be able to keep the payments on his C2 or C4 I would do the same.

We are all going back to Toms.
 
I smell Paranoia. I bet that Anand will be fair in his review. The SPEC benchmarks are probably just going to be there for a rating of the optimal capabilities of the p4, as well as to asses the future potential of the core once it gets better support in certain areas. Gotta jet for the moment but I'll probably post in about 30 mins or so again.
 
It sounds as if you're coming into the debate with a predefined notion of what you think is better. I think Anand can use whichever benchmark to rank test them, and you can stick with your Athlon. I love my tbird, and I'm not too worried about Anand. We'll see how it goes.
 
The SPEC benches have been standard since at least March in his CPU reviews, maybe before then but I'm not sure.
 
GD695372,

The SPEC benchmarks are probably just going to be there for a rating of the optimal capabilities of the p4

If you were Intel with billions of market capitalization, with a turkey of a processor on your hands, wouldn't you want to show the "optimal capabilities" of this turkey, rather than the fact that the product is a turkey?

I have a suspicion that this is exactly what Anand is going to do. It is beginning to smell like Anand's Rambus "review".
 
jhalada,

Do you work for AMD? 😉 Seriously, it only makes sense to give Anand the benefit of the doubt until facts prove otherwise. I recall his skinny on Rambus. Part one was positive of Rambus. Folks ranted and raved here (which probably didn't affect much of anything hehe) then part two arrived showing the downsides and evil side of Scambus.
 
What are you trying to say? That Anand is so desperate to review a P4 he can only get one from intel and would have to sign an agreement with them to do so? Or that he is taking bribes?
My guess is that as usual Anand will attempt to show the strong and weak points of the processor. As this processor is something for the future, it will naturally be interesting to have benchmarks show what the enhancements could do. But I am pretty sure he's not going to finish the review without pointing to the relative performance of other chips in less hypothetical cases.
 
Jhalada. since your a newbie here, don't epect much respect form some of the old timers. Especially when you start throw accusations out there. Also If I am not mistaken, spec can be compiled and optimized for both cores. Which was done in his DDr reveiw.
 
cableguy,

He includes SPEC, one of the most respected benchmark's in the industry, for the DDR review and the Athlon obliterates the PIII in that benchmark.

The DDR piece was there just to set the stage for Pentium IV review. My guess is in the review of Piv, Anand will finally get the settings right for the Intel compiler with the right optimization flags provided by Intel in order to run the single most important benchmark Intel wants Anand (and all the other hardware sites) to run.

As far as respectability of SPEC, it is a license to cheat and distort, IMO, since the few standards about using real world hardware and compilers are widely ignored. In fact, Intel funds an entire division to produce a compiler that subverts the spirit of the SPEC benchmarking.
 


<< If you were Intel with billions of market capitalization, with a turkey of a processor on your hands, wouldn't you want to show the &quot;optimal capabilities&quot; of this turkey, rather than the fact that the product is a turkey? >>

So you call Anand a sell out because Intel makes a crappy processor, and MAYBE, because the review which isn?t even ready yet (who knows when it will be ready), will show some of the P4?s strong capabilities, because Anand decided to use SPEC? Hey buddy, just cuz you don?t agree with the type of benchmark Anand wants to use in his reviews don?t mean sh1t! You come here with no factual trace to your allegations, and suggest Anands ?laying the ground work for a huge misinformation campaign on behalf of Intel by including 4 pages of SPEC benchmarks?. I?ve never heard such BS since GUTB?

OMG...Intel really killed AMD Anands Athlon 1.2GHz w/ SPEC Benchmarks...
 


<< The DDR piece was there just to set the stage for Pentium IV review. >>

No you're not paranoid, you're and idiot!
 
The Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation (SPEC) came up with another solution to this problem, make the person running the tests handle the job of compiling them as well. By forcing the tester to compile the tests on his/her own, the tester can choose to heavily optimize for one platform or another, but even better yet, the tester can heavily optimize for more than one platform to get the best possible performance figures on any given system. And being a non-profit organization, you don?t have to worry about one company or another contributing to paying SPEC?s bills at the end of each month.
 
conspiracy theory...

he is using it now doesn't mean he is preparing for p4. did you read his latest poll about what users want to see in reviews? also, the spec he uses is the source code, and he can choose to optimize the compilation for any platform. you did read that he spent 10 hrs to compile the benchmark right? if he just uses the pre-compiled version for the ddr tests, does he need to stay up till 5am to publish an article?
 
jhalada

You ask a question..Will Anand sell out?

What pile of steaming slanderous B.S. are you trying to spread around here, for something that hasn't even happened yet?

Where is your website so we can all go and check out all your past contributions to the community and prior work???
 


<< The Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation (SPEC) came up with another solution to this problem, make the person running the tests handle the job of compiling them as well. By forcing the tester to compile the tests on his/her own, the tester can choose to heavily optimize for one platform or another, but even better yet, the tester can heavily optimize for more than one platform to get the best possible performance figures on any given system. And being a non-profit organization, you don?t have to worry about one company or another contributing to paying SPEC?s bills at the end of each month. >>

Exactly, and that proves that Anand will do what he has done in the past. Which is show the down side, and up side of both the processors. Which is only fair for both AMD, and Intel?
 
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