Will AMD surpass Intel's processor speeds?

[xpr8]

It basically boils down to how much you want to spend. Yes, Intel has a higher MhZ chip, but for the amount I spend extra on that Intel chip, I could save the cash, get a ripping 3d card and whoop all y'all in 3dmark scores! 🙂

 

[NuLLxXx]

Originally posted by: ai42
Honestly contrary to the massive amount of AMD fanboys here I think P4 is the way to go. When you can buy a 1.8A for around $160 and overclock fairly easily to 3Ghz without supercooling, or spend $150 for a 2200XP and perhaps hit 2.4 (3100XP by their rating system), and spend the $40 or so for a high end heatsync etc. And at least at the IDF recently we have seen the current P4 core hit 4.7 (I assume under extreme conditions, and high end cooling)

BTW I did check overclockers database and while I guess I am being a bit overly optimistic the clock speeds are possible.

I find that statement very Intel Fanboy'ish

Show me a 1.8A that runs 3Ghz without LN2 cooling, Prometeia, or VapoChill.... As for Water it's only going to
get you so far.... The 1.8A's price it's really damn good... Even the 2.26Ghz and up P4's are in a real
good price range..... Now the new chips can hit 3Ghz or about on air which = bargains!

Back to the topic, who knows Intel has a great trip and fall record and AMD is just always right on them....
Ugh I hate to say the new built in-chip media protection could shift this all around! LOL anyone want a VIA

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: corky-g
And unless they start making a profit, they are not going to make much of anything down the road. And AMD has been around for 40 years IIRC and they are doing way better vs Intel in the last few years than ever before. I don't think they are going anywhere soon.

Hmm, I don't seem to remember that Intel's making a profit lately either.

Actually, Intel has reported a net revenue of $446 million for Q2, $936 million for Q1, and $1.3 billion for the year of 2001. (All are including acquisition-related costs in accordance with GAAP).

But you are right... AMD isn't going anywhere, any time soon.

(Now, back to the topic at hand... 😉 )


Zincq, people worry a lot about not wanting to buy a PC that will be outdated in a few months. The advice that I ALWAYS give, is just to get the best you can afford now, and not worry about the rest. There will ALWAYS be something better "right around the corner." (At least I hope so, anyway. 🙂 )

 

[Zincq]

I know I probably still have the wrong impression on overclocking. I remember two years ago that in order to OC a Athlon/Duron, you had to connect the L2 bridges somehow. Either with wires, or with a pencil, the way you connected them was up to you. Is this still what you need to do to OC the Athlon XP? What about the P4? Is there any "connecting" to do? Or is everything done by only changing the multiplier now without any external changes to the core/chip?

 

[BFG10K]

Will AMD surpass Intel's processor speeds?

In terms of actual MHz? Probably not.

In terms of PR rating? Possibly, especially with the Hammer.

 

[JoPalm]

Why do you need such a fast computers for word processing, internet/email use anyways? Most people out there don't need the fastest, only hard core gamers (like some of us here) and people involved in heavy processor usage. Also just cause we can oc our procs higher and higher doesn't mean everyone else will do the same, the majority of people who buy computers (not like AT ppl) don't know how to do this or would rather not, they just want to buy one, know what I mean? So you can't really say "yea well this proc will oc to this". I don't know if what i'm saying makes any sense but oh well, just my $0.02.

Oh and btw, it's kind of funny when you meet people that have one of the fastest computers and all they use it for is word and internet, (like some of my friends), it's just funny i think. I mean...why do you need such a fast computer! (bragging rights yea...)

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Zincq
I know I probably still have the wrong impression on overclocking. I remember two years ago that in order to OC a Athlon/Duron, you had to connect the L2 bridges somehow. Either with wires, or with a pencil, the way you connected them was up to you. Is this still what you need to do to OC the Athlon XP? What about the P4? Is there any "connecting" to do? Or is everything done by only changing the multiplier now without any external changes to the core/chip?

Actually, whether or not you need to connect the bridges on Athlon/Duron processors depend on what kind of OC you want. You can OC via FSB simply by adjusting the BIOS settings, no need to connect the bridges. However, if you want to change the multiplier (either lower it and increase the FSB for more memory bandwidth or increase it and keep the FSB closer to spec), then you will still need to connect the bridges. OC'ing Intel chips is an entirely different matter, though. The ONLY way to OC a P4 is by increasing the FSB and playing with memory ratios. There is no way to unlock the multiplier, so there are no bridges to connect.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JoPalm
Why do you need such a fast computers for word processing, internet/email use anyways? Most people out there don't need the fastest, only hard core gamers (like some of us here) and people involved in heavy processor usage. Also just cause we can oc our procs higher and higher doesn't mean everyone else will do the same, the majority of people who buy computers (not like AT ppl) don't know how to do this or would rather not, they just want to buy one, know what I mean? So you can't really say "yea well this proc will oc to this". I don't know if what i'm saying makes any sense but oh well, just my $0.02.

Oh and btw, it's kind of funny when you meet people that have one of the fastest computers and all they use it for is word and internet, (like some of my friends), it's just funny i think. I mean...why do you need such a fast computer! (bragging rights yea...)

HEATHEN!

😀 j/k

 

[ai42]

Originally posted by: NuLLxXx
Show me a 1.8A that runs 3Ghz without LN2 cooling, Prometeia, or VapoChill.... As for Water it's only going to
get you so far.... The 1.8A's price it's really damn good... Even the 2.26Ghz and up P4's are in a real
good price range..... Now the new chips can hit 3Ghz or about on air which = bargains!

Check overclockers.com database, while not too many people have pushed 3ghz from a 1.8A it's been done one guy is even doing it on a retail cooler. I admit my original stament was a bit overshot but it is possible, and pushing a 1.8A to around 2.5 is pretty easy. Show me an AMD processor that can overclock 700mhz on air cooling.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ai42

Originally posted by: NuLLxXx
Show me a 1.8A that runs 3Ghz without LN2 cooling, Prometeia, or VapoChill.... As for Water it's only going to
get you so far.... The 1.8A's price it's really damn good... Even the 2.26Ghz and up P4's are in a real
good price range..... Now the new chips can hit 3Ghz or about on air which = bargains!

Check overclockers.com database, while not too many people have pushed 3ghz from a 1.8A it's been done one guy is even doing it on a retail cooler. I admit my original stament was a bit overshot but it is possible, and pushing a 1.8A to around 2.5 is pretty easy. Show me an AMD processor that can overclock 700mhz on air cooling.

Good point(about the better O/Cing capabilities of the P4, but you should know that an Athlon doesn't need to overclock by 700mhz to match a 700mhz overclock of a P4. Can't provide the approx amount needed though.

 

[imgod2u]

No, it needs about a 400-600 MHz overclock depending on the application (from stock speed, assuming you start out with equivalently performing chips). That's still tremendous in terms of the overclocking capabilities of the Athlon. I think as we've seen so far with AMD's adjustment of their PR system that the Athlons don't really scale that much better per clockrate as the P4's do. It's not 66MHz for every 100 MHz the P4 does.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: imgod2u
No, it needs about a 400-600 MHz overclock depending on the application (from stock speed, assuming you start out with equivalently performing chips). That's still tremendous in terms of the overclocking capabilities of the Athlon. I think as we've seen so far with AMD's adjustment of their PR system that the Athlons don't really scale that much better per clockrate as the P4's do. It's not 66MHz for every 100 MHz the P4 does.

True, the recent lower speed XPs have been known to overclock quite well though.

 

[JoPalm]

heathen...lol 🙂

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JoPalm
heathen...lol 🙂

😱😀

 

[grant2]

Why do you need such a fast computers for word processing, internet/email use anyways? Most people out there don't need the fastest, only hard core gamers (like some of us here) and people involved in heavy processor usage.

I think it's an ego thing.

A lot of people spend $2000 on top of the line, just so they "don't have to upgrade for a year" ...

Which seems stupid to me, when you can pay $1000 for a good computer now, and save that other $1000 a year later for something faster than you can even buy today....

 

[Duvie]

I agree I paid 130 bucks for my 1.6a at a time when the 2.53ghz was just ready to come out....I didn't need to spend 500-600 bucks to pound that chip into the ground...

By cheap oc the hell out of it and hope you don't kill it before your upgrade to another one...I like to get 4 or 5 chips back so the price is low and with the northwood and Intels high yields all the chips have possibilty of topping out near one another (except currntly the 2.6 and 2.8's are c1 steppings and are not available in lower chips yet)

 

[Zincq]

Do the P4s yield a higher OC than the Athlons? Right now I'm wanting to go for a XP 1600+ 1.4 Ghz and OC, but I'm not sure how high I can OC it to. If I can get a P4 1.8 Ghz, and OC to somewhere around 2.5, then I believe it might be worth the few extra bucks. But what type of motherboard would be good for the P4 OC, and and AMD OC for that matter? And what type of RAM would I need for the P4? <-- noob question 🙂

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Zincq
Do the P4s yield a higher OC than the Athlons? Right now I'm wanting to go for a XP 1600+ 1.4 Ghz and OC, but I'm not sure how high I can OC it to. If I can get a P4 1.8 Ghz, and OC to somewhere around 2.5, then I believe it might be worth the few extra bucks. But what type of motherboard would be good for the P4 OC, and and AMD OC for that matter? And what type of RAM would I need for the P4? <-- noob question 🙂

Yes, P4s OC higher than Athlons. An XP 1.4GHz (1600+) should OC to about 1.8GHz (2200+) where as a P4 1.8A should OC to around 2.5-2.7GHz. Good OC boards for AMD are: Asus A7V333, Gigabyte 7VRXP, EPoX 8K3A+, EPoX 8K5A2/3+, and the Abit KX7 boards. Good OC boards for P4 are: Asus P4B533-V, EPoX 4G4A(I|+) and Abit BG7. Good RAM for P4 OC would be Corsair XMS PC3000C2 or XMS PC3200C2.

 

[Zincq]

Thanks CrazySaint, you basically summed up everything I was asking about 🙂 I just needed a few recommendations, and now it all depends on my preference and budget.

How long do OC'ed systems last? I'm sure the lifespan of the CPU is shortened by the overclock. Will the processor die on me faster?

 

[Goi]

While the XP 1600+ is widely known to be one of the better Athlon overclockers, I'm doubtful as to whether it will reach 1.8GHz. Most, if not all Athlons, will not overclock much beyond their PR rating, i.e. an Athlon XP 1600+ won't go much beyond 1.6GHz. As for processor life shortening, nobody can give you a definite answer as these sorta thing depend on too many factors that all add up. Its just a risk that you have to take, and you can only reduce it by either cooling your CPU better or not clocking it as high.

 

[tsunek]

The recent agioa athlon 1600+ have been overclocking pretty far. i have mine 1.78 ghz

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Goi
While the XP 1600+ is widely known to be one of the better Athlon overclockers, I'm doubtful as to whether it will reach 1.8GHz. Most, if not all Athlons, will not overclock much beyond their PR rating, i.e. an Athlon XP 1600+ won't go much beyond 1.6GHz. As for processor life shortening, nobody can give you a definite answer as these sorta thing depend on too many factors that all add up. Its just a risk that you have to take, and you can only reduce it by either cooling your CPU better or not clocking it as high.

From everything I've read, it appears that most recent 1600+s will, in fact, reach 1.8GHz (or close to it). I think Acteon even got his to 1.9GHz.