Will AMD ever be able to compete with Intel again?

[witeken]

i dont think intel has made a dedicated videocard after the i740. lol...
I think they made this card to see if they could infact gobble the videocard market, only to lose horribly to Riva which later became the geforce.

Intel isn't really interested in the dGPU market; for the last few years, at least.

 

[aigomorla]

Do you know how much ahead of everyone else Nokia once was? Before Android and iPhone took over that is...

yeah but it doesn't cost 100's of millions of develop a new cpu, then it does a new phone.

And again, from the Nokia symbian OS -> Andriod OS / iOS we had a reset.

Didnt i specifically state unless there is another reset my statement was valid?

Do you see a reset coming anytime soon?
Because the only reset i see is, possibly quantium computing, which BTW intel already has development in.

Nokia did not have andriod development when they were pushing out symbian OS.

Intel does not have goggle/apple competing against, because most of the servers Google uses are Intel and everyone knows a macbook/powerbook goes "ding ding ding ding (insert intel theme song)" when u open them up.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Do you see a reset coming anytime soon?

Neither did Nokia before Android and iPhone hit them.

The future always looks linear and easy to predict until some disruptive event strikes you without notice. And then in hindsight a few years afterwards when it's too late you'll wonder how you could miss that coming.

Only the paranoid survives...

 

[witeken]

yeah but it doesn't cost 100's of millions of develop a new cpu, then it does a new phone.

Yes, it does.

 

[Idontcare]

Do you know how much ahead of everyone else Nokia once was? Before Android and iPhone took over that is...

Nokia didn't decline and suffer because of Android or the iPhone, they suffered and declined because of a piss-pour BoD who decided to hire, and ride all the way to the bitter end, Stephen Elop as the CEO.

RIM experienced the same "death by (mis)management".

Sure Android and Apple benefited the most from Nokia's foolishness, but they certainly were not the cause of Nokia acting foolish.

Intel could suffer the same fate, but the answer to that is not "better products", the only counter for mis-management is to have better management and that requires a Board of Directors that can find its ass with both hands in the dark 😉

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well, the title of the thread is can AMD compete, not has Intel made mistakes. Granted, Intel has had a lot of failures, particularly in mobile, but AMD has not really broken into that market either. Granted, Kabini is more competitive to atom than the big core lines are to intel, but AMD has no presence in phones and a much, much smaller one than intel in tablets. So before this degenerates into the usual intel is going to fail thread, lets ask: Has AMD taken advantage of any of those opportunities? Not really. Granted AMD is trying to leverage ARM, but that is a very low margin segment with cut-throat competition. So I would never say AMD cant compete with intel, but it seems likely they will remain competitive in a only in a limited number of scenarios, but not overall, especially in the high end.

 

[Idontcare]

AMD can compete so long as they don't aspire to be profitable. As soon as they desire to have profits then that alone drives business decisions which pretty much require them to avoid competing with Intel at all costs. Which is probably part of why Dirk was canned and Rory was brought in.

 

[Diogenes5]

The main long term trend affecting AMD's business here is that the PC market is contracting in the long-run permanently. Silicon manufacturing costs billions in R&D and factories and is literally pennies on the dollar in terms of the chips themselves. Being profitable depends on large economies of scale and guaranteed volume.

To be honest, I don't think the desktop/server market can bear two competitors at this point especially if mobile competitors finally find a way to cross into the enterprise/server market.

Intel has the raw performance segment of the market locked down. I think AMD's future is locked into it's graphics business and maybe some mode of differentiation/integration that disrupts the typical desktop market (the APU concept was an ok step in this direction).

 

[tential]

So did AMD completely abandon the high end desktops? The FX line is dead right? Because they say it's not... but I mean there are no new processors coming out? And no plans announced?

So what happens after Devil's Canyon to Intel pricing with no new AMD CPUs to compete for the forseeable future?

I could see Intel sticking to a formula of like 10% performance gains each year (pick the number you want) since it has to compete with itself, and getting complacent and AMD getting lucky. But it'd be awhile from now.

I'm just wondering what happens in the next 3 years since Devil's Canyon definitely wraps up the High End for good for Intel and I don't think the next desktop processors are going to be slower than DC either (or even lower clocked as it would confuse the market maybe?). We're only going to see faster so really what happens to pricing when Intel is the only way to play the latest titles with everything enabled?

 

[NTMBK]

So did AMD completely abandon the high end desktops? The FX line is dead right? Because they say it's not... but I mean there are no new processors coming out? And no plans announced?

There are supposedly new FX parts coming out... but they're mobile APUs.

 

[jihe]

BTW I thought AMD is doing pretty well in consoles, PS4 and Xbox one and all that. How much is AMD actually making from consoles?

 

[Idontcare]

So did AMD completely abandon the high end desktops? The FX line is dead right? Because they say it's not... but I mean there are no new processors coming out? And no plans announced?

So what happens after Devil's Canyon to Intel pricing with no new AMD CPUs to compete for the forseeable future?

I could see Intel sticking to a formula of like 10% performance gains each year (pick the number you want) since it has to compete with itself, and getting complacent and AMD getting lucky. But it'd be awhile from now.

I'm just wondering what happens in the next 3 years since Devil's Canyon definitely wraps up the High End for good for Intel and I don't think the next desktop processors are going to be slower than DC either (or even lower clocked as it would confuse the market maybe?). We're only going to see faster so really what happens to pricing when Intel is the only way to play the latest titles with everything enabled?

AMD abandoned high-end desktop and server markets about 2yrs ago when Rory put out his presentation in which he vilified the wastefulness of investing in the "old way" of AMD pursuing big cores on leading edge process nodes.

The writing has literally been on the wall for many to read and see since circa 2012.