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The Pentium Guy

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Damn...

You know how cool that would be? I'm sick of this English shhit. I want everyhting to be practical, prescise, exact. Just like code. There should only be ONE way of expressing a sentence, and that's final. Any other way is considered a syntax error that our human brains cannot compile.

Dunno. I mean how DOES a new language come about? I realize it evolves, and some idiot doesn't sit there with a pen inventing this stuff... but just wow.

I predict the first reply will be a nef post :p.

-The Pentium Guy
 
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Kilrsat

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But there are also 20 billion ways to express the same concept in code, so there goes your idea.
 
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Ricemarine

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How bout Japanese? lol.

Its easy, and they just say enough so that you understand the message.
 
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yllus

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Pick up a copy of Jared Diamond's 'Guns, Germs and Steel' - it has a pretty readable explanation of how language evolved and spread throughout the world, including the key qualifiers for keeping a language alive.

I would love to elaborate but I have a headache and can't recall details at the moment.
 
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aiex

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Well they did invent Espirante(sp?) as a european language. never caught on though
 
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Falloutboy

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language evolves overtime. but I don't think there will be a new language ever created, more likely one will become comonplace and once that happens it wll just evolve overtime to suit the needs of the changing society
 
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The Pentium Guy

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Originally posted by: Kilrsat
But there are also 20 billion ways to express the same concept in code, so there goes your idea.
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I'm talking about sentence formation, not circumlocution:

ATOT a;
a = new ATOT("Nef");

ATOT a = new ATOT("Nef");

Works out the same...but you can't really say

a ATOT;

Etc...

I dunno, some say languages are beautiful becuase they're not rigid. I disagree. Complexity confuses me. Simplicty > All. As long as you get your point across why the hell not?

-The Pentium Guy

 
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DaveSimmons

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Let's start with the spelling:

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter 'c' would be dropped to be replased either by 'k' or 's', and likewise 'x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which 'c' would be retained would be the 'ch' formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform 'w' spelling, so that 'which' and 'one' would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish 'y' replasing it with 'i' and Iear 4 might fiks the 'g/j' anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez 'c', 'y' and 'x' -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais 'ch', 'sh', and 'th' rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

(author: Mark Twain)
 
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sonz70

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Let's start with the spelling:

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter 'c' would be dropped to be replased either by 'k' or 's', and likewise 'x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which 'c' would be retained would be the 'ch' formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform 'w' spelling, so that 'which' and 'one' would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish 'y' replasing it with 'i' and Iear 4 might fiks the 'g/j' anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez 'c', 'y' and 'x' -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais 'ch', 'sh', and 'th' rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

(author: Mark Twain)
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That is actually kind of cool
 
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Adica

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Let's start with the spelling:

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter 'c' would be dropped to be replased either by 'k' or 's', and likewise 'x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which 'c' would be retained would be the 'ch' formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform 'w' spelling, so that 'which' and 'one' would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish 'y' replasing it with 'i' and Iear 4 might fiks the 'g/j' anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez 'c', 'y' and 'x' -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais 'ch', 'sh', and 'th' rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

(author: Mark Twain)
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The Pentium Guy

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Let's start with the spelling:

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter 'c' would be dropped to be replased either by 'k' or 's', and likewise 'x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which 'c' would be retained would be the 'ch' formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform 'w' spelling, so that 'which' and 'one' would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish 'y' replasing it with 'i' and Iear 4 might fiks the 'g/j' anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez 'c', 'y' and 'x' -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais 'ch', 'sh', and 'th' rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

(author: Mark Twain)
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That's insane.

We should start doing this right now....
 
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there was esperanto, which is based in large part on turkish. turkish, of course, was modernized (along with everything else in turkey) by kemal mustafa ataturk back in the 1920s.
 
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thehstrybean

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We could revive PIE. it's thought that PIE (Proto Indo European) is the "father" so to speak of all languages. Sounds good...
 
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DiamondJ

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Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
you mean like newspeak?

big brother is watching :p
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that's exactly what came to mind for me as well.

You want to learn a more concise language, or at least see what the implications of one would be, I suggest reading 1984
 
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