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GarfieldtheCat said:
In a new update, Manning , for two nights straight, has been forced to strip naked and lie in his cell all night without clothes, and then in the morning is forced to stand to attention outside his cell naked as well.

Of course, he is the only soldier in the brig that is having this happen to him, once again proving he is not being treated equally.



The interesting thing is that if you read these quotes:




His treatment is right out of the gitmo/ Abu Ghraib playbook. Doesn't sound like he is being treated the same with this going on.

Given this treatment was done explicitly to break people in gitmo and AG, I guess the military is hoping they can break Manning now. I am sure everyone is OK with an innocent US Soldier being abused like this. 🙄

Hmmm.......isn't punishment before conviction illegal?
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*Yawn
 
between said:
I hope Bradley Manning can take some comfort in the fact he is the moral superior of all those assholes keeping him captive. Also, he should take comfort in the fact his actions led to the overthrow of murderous dictators in Tunisia and Egypt, and soon, hopefully, Libya.
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No it didn't.
 
So now it comes out this is to be the norm, from now on, Manning will be stripped naked every night and forced to stand for rolecall naked as well.

Link

Of course he isn't on suicide watch, so this is just more abusive treatment pre-trial, which is really illegal. There is no legitimate reason for this abuse.

If Manning was a POW, this would be illegal under the Geneva Convention. Love to see all you people defend how a US citizen and soldier somehow has less rights and protection then a POW. I am guess this will be willfully ignored by the usual group, since it would cause to many problems for them.
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
So now it comes out this is to be the norm, from now on, Manning will be stripped naked every night and forced to stand for rolecall naked as well.

Link

Of course he isn't on suicide watch, so this is just more abusive treatment pre-trial, which is really illegal. There is no legitimate reason for this abuse.

If Manning was a POW, this would be illegal under the Geneva Convention. Love to see all you people defend how a US citizen and soldier somehow has less rights and protection then a POW. I am guess this will be willfully ignored by the usual group, since it would cause to many problems for them.
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He isn't a POW, nor is he a US Citizen at this point. He is property of the US Armed Forces and subject to the UCMJ. He knows what he did and what would happen, he brought it all on himself and will serve the punishments for doing so.
 
PhoKingGuy said:
He isn't a POW, nor is he a US Citizen at this point. He is property of the US Armed Forces and subject to the UCMJ. He knows what he did and what would happen, he brought it all on himself and will serve the punishments for doing so.
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WOW!!!

Such stupidity in your post, that might be a forum record. Are you SERIOUSLY saying a that a US citizen that is in the US military ISN'T a Citizen??????

Epic stupidity FTL!

Of course, at the beginning of this dogpile I linked the UCMJ quote that said this was wrong as well, but you couldn't be bothered to read that, am I rite?
 
PhoKingGuy said:
He isn't a POW, nor is he a US Citizen at this point. He is property of the US Armed Forces and subject to the UCMJ. He knows what he did and what would happen, he brought it all on himself and will serve the punishments for doing so.
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Why can't you liberal idiots understand this? The UCMJ allows the military do to whatever they want to him. This is just another blatant attempt by the anti-American progressives and the MSM to stir up hatred against the US and to make people sympathize with terrorists and traitors just like they tried to do with Gitmo and Abu Gharib. Guess what libtards, the traitors and terrorists are there for a reason!
 
comptr6 said:
Why can't you liberal idiots understand this? The UCMJ allows the military do to whatever they want to him. This is just another blatant attempt by the anti-American progressives and the MSM to stir up hatred against the US and to make people sympathize with terrorists and traitors just like they tried to do with Gitmo and Abu Gharib. Guess what libtards, the traitors and terrorists are there for a reason!
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Who is this guy? Take your picksof the previous banned trolls.

Maybe we should start a lottery to pick who he is.
 
comptr6 said:
Why can't you liberal idiots understand this? The UCMJ allows the military do to whatever they want to him. This is just another blatant attempt by the anti-American progressives and the MSM to stir up hatred against the US and to make people sympathize with terrorists and traitors just like they tried to do with Gitmo and Abu Gharib. Guess what libtards, the traitors and terrorists are there for a reason!
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I STAND WITH WALKER. WILL YOU?
I STAND WITH ISRAEL. WILL YOU?
CRUSADE ON, AMERICA!

True American Heroes:
SARAH PALIN, GLENN BECK,
RUSH LIMBAUGH, CHUCK NORRIS,
DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN,
TAMMY FAYE & PAT ROBERTSON
WE THE PEOPLE!
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Oh, I'm going to like you, aren't I, you delightful little neocon bigot you🙂

 
GarfieldtheCat said:
So now it comes out this is to be the norm, from now on, Manning will be stripped naked every night and forced to stand for rolecall naked as well.

Link

Of course he isn't on suicide watch, so this is just more abusive treatment pre-trial, which is really illegal. There is no legitimate reason for this abuse.

If Manning was a POW, this would be illegal under the Geneva Convention. Love to see all you people defend how a US citizen and soldier somehow has less rights and protection then a POW. I am guess this will be willfully ignored by the usual group, since it would cause to many problems for them.
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No, we're not going to ignore you. You choose to ignore the fact that he is being treated in accordance with the brig rules.

Now, where is the outrage from Private Manning's Senators and Congressmen? Or for that fact the US AG or President? Could it be that they also know that Private Manning is being treated in accordance with the UCMJ and the brig rules?
 
Londo_Jowo said:
No, we're not going to ignore you. You choose to ignore the fact that he is being treated in accordance with the brig rules.

Now, where is the outrage from Private Manning's Senators and Congressmen? Or for that fact the US AG or President? Could it be that they also know that Private Manning is being treated in accordance with the UCMJ and the brig rules?
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OR it could be they are in breach of the UCMJ, and are ignoring it. But that couldn't be true, now could it?

I mean, the US didn't break the law with warrentless wiretapping, did it? Oops, yes it did. Then they passed a law to cover themselves.

This is the typical lack of logic that you guys have. Your defense is "they are doing it, so it must be legal, otherwise they wouldn't do it"? Really? Are you that dumb?

Just as an example, we see videos of police beatings, that without the video, the police would get away with it, by claiming it didn't happen. No crime there, right?

There are plenty of examples of the government breaking the law (or not following the law). ALso not sure with lack of complaints has to do with anything, but again, just another emotional non-statement thrown out since you don't have anything else to add.

There is only one thing that matters. What the law (UCMJ) says. Here is the part of the UCMJ that handles detainees (people held pre-trial).

UCMJ

813. ART. 13 PUNISHMENT PROHIBITED BEFORE TRIAL
No person, while being held for trial, may be subjected to punishment or penalty other than arrest or confinement upon the charges pending against him, nor shall the arrest or confinement imposed upon him be any more rigorous than the circumstances required to insure his presence, but he may be subjected to minor punishment during that period for infractions of discipline.
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I don't see anything about punishment being allowed. In fact it is specifically prohibited. Manning is the ONLY detainee treated like this, all other detainees are in medium imprisonment.

So in your twisted mind, what part of "no punishment" means it is OK to treat him different then every other innocent (since all detainees are innocent, since they have not yet been convicted of a crime) detainee?

Can you come up with anything logical, or just throw out more emotional appeals since you think he is guilty and thus don't care about the law?

I wonder what you and all the other "assumed guilty" people here would do if you were accused of a crime and locked up like this. I bet you and your families would complain loudly then. But chickenhawks always support harsh treatment for others as long as they stay nice and safe.
 
Here again you are seeing things from your point of view. Private Manning's treatment is in accordance with the UCMJ and the brig rules, if it wasn't his lawyer would have had grounds to get the conditions changed.
 
between said:
Huh? Does anyone seriously claim the uprising in Tunisia wasn't kicked off by the release of those cables 'stolen' by Bradley Manning? And Tunisia led to Egypt. Very few individuals can be held responsible for the liberation of entire nations - but Manning is one of those individuals. A true American hero.
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No. As with almost all revolutions, it was simply economics. The man who burned himself had his livelihood taken away and was publicly humiliated by a policewoman (in an Arab country). This was the straw that broke the camel back for the protestors. Assange, the anti-Semite, had nothing to do with it.
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
OR it could be they are in breach of the UCMJ, and are ignoring it. But that couldn't be true, now could it?

I mean, the US didn't break the law with warrentless wiretapping, did it? Oops, yes it did. Then they passed a law to cover themselves.

This is the typical lack of logic that you guys have. Your defense is "they are doing it, so it must be legal, otherwise they wouldn't do it"? Really? Are you that dumb?

Just as an example, we see videos of police beatings, that without the video, the police would get away with it, by claiming it didn't happen. No crime there, right?

There are plenty of examples of the government breaking the law (or not following the law). ALso not sure with lack of complaints has to do with anything, but again, just another emotional non-statement thrown out since you don't have anything else to add.

There is only one thing that matters. What the law (UCMJ) says. Here is the part of the UCMJ that handles detainees (people held pre-trial).

UCMJ



I don't see anything about punishment being allowed. In fact it is specifically prohibited. Manning is the ONLY detainee treated like this, all other detainees are in medium imprisonment.

So in your twisted mind, what part of "no punishment" means it is OK to treat him different then every other innocent (since all detainees are innocent, since they have not yet been convicted of a crime) detainee?

Can you come up with anything logical, or just throw out more emotional appeals since you think he is guilty and thus don't care about the law?

I wonder what you and all the other "assumed guilty" people here would do if you were accused of a crime and locked up like this. I bet you and your families would complain loudly then. But chickenhawks always support harsh treatment for others as long as they stay nice and safe.
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I congratulate you for being smarter than his civilian and military attourney.

Please contact them and offer your services on how to get Manning out of the current conditions. They apparently are unaware of what is coing on and how to get him out of the situtation.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Here again you are seeing things from your point of view. Private Manning's treatment is in accordance with the UCMJ and the brig rules, if it wasn't his lawyer would have had grounds to get the conditions changed.
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Link to proof? Evidence other then your own thoughts?

I see the "he's guilty, so I don't give shit" party is out in full force. Whay to support our laws.

I can't believe that the idiocy of people is so high that y'alls only argument is "hey, the government did it, so it must be legal". That is such a backwards, BS non-argument I don't even know where to start. Suffice to say, if you think about it, it is no argument at all. Cursory google will show plenty of times the government was taken to court, and fought the courts ruling when a court ruled they were in the wrong.

To seriously think that the government never does anything wrong without getting caught and made to reverse themselves is ludicrous.

And I notice that no one still can provide any rational, legal argument to show his treatment is correct. The only response is belittling (thanks CC for your insightful fact-free comments, you really should know better), outright ignorance (he's not a citizen, rules don't apply to the military), or apathy (he's guilty in my mind, so do whatever you want to him, I don't care).

No one has read the UCMJ and posted any defense of the governments actions. No one. Typical.

So again, given that he is being treated different from everyone, and not in keeping with getting to him to trial safely, as the UCMJ states, how can you defend his treatment? Facts and law only please.

If anyone else in the military was locked up this long without trial and treated this way, y'all would scream bloody murder, but again, since you don't care, you allow the gov to get away with it. Pathetic. Guess the law only applies to people you like.

Just like Freedom of speech is freedom for speech you don't like, following the law is following it for all, not just the people you like.
 
I am sure that his lawyers have read the USMJ and tried to point out any inconsistencies to the overseers.

Apparently, there are none that they can make a public stink over.

Seeing how you feel that you have discovered one; let them know and come back with a results posting.
 
Lanyap said:
Why doesn't Mr Obama just let him go. He is in charge of the military.
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Why should he? The person violated the military laws.


You get a CIC that micromanages and it destroy the military. The CIC position is to point to what he wants to get accomplished and then turn the military loose on getting the job done.
When politics starts getting involved; military personal die needlessly
 
The dude committed a crime and deserves to pay for it. He was aware of the risks and consequences. He still did it. Now who's the idiot? His life is ruined and he probably will either end it prematurely (suicide) or spend the rest of it behind bars for something that people have already forgotten.
 
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