WikiLeaks' Assange complains he's victim of leaks

[Throckmorton]

If you have proof that people have died because of these wiki leaks please prove them by providing links. I showed links to back up my claims I would expect you to do the same.

That's the same deflection I've seen over and over again from the far left.

The unethical act was releasing those names.

It's irrelevant to the morality of what Assange did whether I can dig up proof that people died because the Taliban found out they're informers. The Taliban did say they were pursuing retribution against those people BTW.

If you're arguing that it's only wrong if people died and I can prove it, do you feel the same way about telling a Nazi where a Jew is hiding?

 

[JSt0rm]

He's not writing stories though. He's just publishing government documents.

It would take him 5 lifetimes to write up stories on all of these facts. Best to release the facts and let other journalists write stories.

What do we gain from knowing that the American Diplomat to Kyrgyzstan thinks that the British Prince is a moron?

Not much but thats the reason you chose that as an example. There are many many of these things leaked and there are many that should be known. I do not weigh something as unimportant as your example against something as important as my example and neither should you.

 

[Throckmorton]

It would take him 5 lifetimes to write up stories on all of these facts. Best to release the facts and let other journalists write stories.





Not much but thats the reason you chose that as an example. There are many many of these things leaked and there are many that should be known. I do not weigh something as unimportant as your example against something as important as my example and neither should you.

We all agree there are are good leaks and bad leaks.

But Julian Assange can't tell the difference. He doesn't release EVERYTHING, but he releases everything that makes us look bad, with no regard for the greater good. I don't think he has a moral compass at all. He's just a chaotic neutral anarchist with a hatred for the West.

 

[Scotteq]

I dont give 2 shits about this leak. He is going to be stomped into the ground by these corporations and governments. But he did what he did regardless of that. He is a hero.

It look a lot of fucking big brass balls to do what he did.

Then he can show that he continues to posess a pair of brass ones by Man~ing Up to the fallout of his actions, rather than crying about the public~ness of his personal life.

 

[JSt0rm]

That's the same deflection I've seen over and over again from the far left.

The unethical act was releasing those names.

It's irrelevant to the morality of what Assange did whether I can dig up proof that people died because the Taliban found out they're informers. The Taliban did say they were pursuing retribution against those people BTW.

Ahh so this is a left right issue. Go it. So you cant show any harm coming to those people even though the far right touted that many people would be killed if these things were released.

If you're arguing that it's only wrong if people died and I can prove it, do you feel the same way about telling a Nazi where a Jew is hiding?

But I can prove that children were raped at the hands of an American company that gets 95% of its funding from the American taxpayer. Does this anger you as a conservative republican bent on smaller government? Or do you see that as the cost of doing business?

 

[JSt0rm]

We all agree there are are good leaks and bad leaks.

But Julian Assange can't tell the difference. He doesn't release EVERYTHING, but he releases everything that makes us look bad, with no regard for the greater good. I don't think he has a moral compass at all. He's just a chaotic neutral anarchist with a hatred for the West.

We are in the middle of the storm. It would be foolish on our parts to assume anything about what he will or wont release. He has released things that make other countries look bad. Its not just us.

 

[CanOWorms]

It would take him 5 lifetimes to write up stories on all of these facts. Best to release the facts and let other journalists write stories.

Other journalists are writing stories right now. It would not take 5 lifetimes. Also, a lot of these facts are stupid and not worthy of any stories.

Not much but thats the reason you chose that as an example. There are many many of these things leaked and there are many that should be known. I do not weigh something as unimportant as your example against something as important as my example and neither should you.

I chose it as an example because a lot of the leaked stuff is stupid and shouldn't have been leaked. Assange only leaked it because he has no concept of privacy. If he had naked pictures of you then he would leak those, too. No privacy for you. We want to know if you have any moles on your penis after all.

Nothing very groundbreaking has come out of these leaks. Most of the relevant things that should have been leaked were already known. All we get is confirmation that a single US diplomat knows it, too.

 

[JSt0rm]

Then he can show that he continues to posess a pair of brass ones by Man~ing Up to the fallout of his actions, rather than crying about the public~ness of his personal life.

Actually he turned himself in the moment an arrest warrant was issued. I would call that manning up. I also expect him to fight the charges brought against him.

 

[JSt0rm]

Other journalists are writing stories right now. It would not take 5 lifetimes. Also, a lot of these facts are stupid and not worthy of any stories.

I guess we will just have to disagree about how long it would take to write a story about any one of the important wikileaks. I think we can both agree that it is faster having multiple people writing stories then just one yes?

I chose it as an example because a lot of the leaked stuff is stupid and shouldn't have been leaked.

And I chose my example as something so heinous that it had to be leaked. The importance of almost everything else takes a back seat when we are talking about little boys being raped by grown men. This is especially true when we are talking about cables that are little more then "gossip girl" material and have no bearing on the real world.

 

[Scotteq]

Actually he turned himself in the moment an arrest warrant was issued. I would call that manning up. I also expect him to fight the charges brought against him.

Then he can continue the trend by not whining about the predictable results of his actions.


If you want to worship the guy as some kind of hero or free speech saint, that's your own stupidity. Personally, I find it *highly* amusing he leaks about others freely, but gets upset when it's done to him. That little bit of hypocracy tells me everything I need to know.

 

[dali71]

 

[Throckmorton]

Ahh so this is a left right issue. Go it. So you cant show any harm coming to those people even though the far right touted that many people would be killed if these things were released.

I said the far left. I've been arguing with the far left and libertarian anarchists about Wikileaks. Those of us who have a problem with Assange seem to be on the center left, the center right, and the neocons.

I don't have to prove that the Taliban followed through on their promise and killed informants and "collaborators" when they found out who they were. Releasing those names was unethical. Why can't you understand that?

Did you know Wikileaks also released the Climategate emails? Julian Assange said he wrestled with the ethics, and then released the emails anyway. He KNEW they were misleading and would cause people to wrongly suspect climate scientists. Do I need to prove that more global warming will happen in order for what he did to be unethical?

But I can prove that children were raped at the hands of an American company that gets 95% of its funding from the American taxpayer. Does this anger you as a conservative republican bent on smaller government? Or do you see that as the cost of doing business?

I agree that the boy rape was wrong and needed to be leaked. That's why I said there are good leaks. One of my heroes is Samuel Provance, the Abu Graib whistleblower.

I'm not a small government conservative. I'm a big government liberal. Unlike you nutjobs on the far left and the anarchist far right, I can tell right from wrong.

If you really believe that sticking your finger in the eye of government is inherently good because government is inherently evil, grab some magic markers and a posterboard and head to your nearest TEA Party rally. I'm sure they'll welcome another anti-government fundamentalist.

 

[CanOWorms]

I guess we will just have to disagree about how long it would take to write a story about any one of the important wikileaks. I think we can both agree that it is faster having multiple people writing stories then just one yes?

I don't think that there are many important wikileaks. It would be faster to have multiple people writing stories on them, but one person probably could probably have an easy job writing stories on the so-called important ones.

And I chose my example as something so heinous that it had to be leaked. The importance of almost everything else takes a back seat when we are talking about little boys being raped by grown men. This is especially true when we are talking about cables that are little more then "gossip girl" material and have no bearing on the real world.

Sorry, leaking that doesn't do anything. It needs to be accompanied by journalism. Also if that's an important wikileak then it doesn't say much about the quality of Assange's leaks.

 

[JSt0rm]

Then he can continue the trend by not whining about the predictable results of his actions.


If you want to worship the guy as some kind of hero or free speech saint, that's your own stupidity. Personally, I find it *highly* amusing he leaks about others freely, but gets upset when it's done to him. That little bit of hypocracy tells me everything I need to know.

You can get upset because he is upset or realize that the man matters little after the leaks have been done. What is done is done and he will continue to leak more. I'm looking forward to the bank of America leaks, are you?

Maybe my moral compass is just different but I can tell you there is nothing i find more reprehensible then an American corporation that is funded by MY tax dollars using children in the fashion that they did. Honestly there is nothing else. There needs not be one more leak of importance to make the entire thing valid in my mind. Justice for those children is worth shit on the shoes of every diplomat on the planet.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Hahahahahaha

...gasp...

hahahahah!!!!

 

[Scotteq]

You can get upset because he is upset or realize that the man matters little after the leaks have been done. What is done is done and he will continue to leak more. I'm looking forward to the bank of America leaks, are you?

Maybe my moral compass is just different but I can tell you there is nothing i find more reprehensible then an American corporation that is funded by MY tax dollars using children in the fashion that they did. Honestly there is nothing else. There needs not be one more leak of importance to make the entire thing valid in my mind. Justice for those children is worth shit on the shoes of every diplomat on the planet.

ROFL!!!


Who said I was upset? I said I was amused at his hypocracy, that these are the fully predictable results of his actions, and that he shouldn't whine about it since he was the one who set the whole episode in motion.

You're the one trying to argue by shifting the topic to cherry picked items that he leaked, rather than his whining about his own info being put out there. But what the hell, right? Gives you something to do, anyways.

 

[LumbergTech]

nothing bad was really leaked about him anyway

just the case...it doesnt prove anything

nothin to qq about

 

[LumbergTech]

That's the same deflection I've seen over and over again from the far left.

The unethical act was releasing those names.

It's irrelevant to the morality of what Assange did whether I can dig up proof that people died because the Taliban found out they're informers. The Taliban did say they were pursuing retribution against those people BTW.

If you're arguing that it's only wrong if people died and I can prove it, do you feel the same way about telling a Nazi where a Jew is hiding?

of course, jump straight to the nazis

 

[Throckmorton]

of course, jump straight to the nazis

I didn't jump straight to the Nazis. I try to convince people that leaking the names of informants to the Taliban is wrong, but something stops them from "getting it" until I compare it directly to the Jews. That "something" is anti-Afghan or maybe anti-Muslim bigotry.

You want to apply Godwin's Law? Go ahead. Explain how this is less bad than ratting out Jews to Nazis. By even making that argument you'll reveal yourself as a bigot.

 

[JSt0rm]

Explain how this is less bad than ratting out Jews to Nazis. By even making that argument you'll reveal yourself as a bigot.

My girlfriends grandparents would like to have a word with you.

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Guaranteed: If anyone dies because of the leaks it will be on EVERY news station for at least 48 hours if not longer. The powers that be will MAKE SURE to sway pubic opinion in the "right" direction.

 

[airdata]

Aww getting a taste of his own medicine. Poor baby......awwww

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101221/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_wikileaks_assange

LONDON – It has come to this: Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, is complaining that someone leaked a Swedish police report on his alleged sexual offenses...............

I wouldn't call it getting a taste of his own medicine.

There's a distinct difference. The charges were dropped months ago for one. Then you have the weirdness of the girl w\ ties to the CIA and what not.

 

[sandorski]

Assenge is an Idealist who believes in total Freedom of Speech/Information. Perhaps he has acted naively by publishing names which could harm innocents, but then there's no guarantee that those innocents have been or will be(I'm sure some will somehow) harmed. In subsequent releases Wikileaks has blocked such information to address this concern.

I'm less concerned about Wikileaks than the backlash and calls for Death of those associated with it. Most of those angered have suffered nothing more than embarrassment and this is their response?

It seems we have fallen much farther from the Noble Principles that have brought us to this point than I ever imagined.

 

[Throckmorton]

My girlfriends grandparents would like to have a word with you.

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Guaranteed: If anyone dies because of the leaks it will be on EVERY news station for at least 48 hours if not longer. The powers that be will MAKE SURE to sway pubic opinion in the "right" direction.

So you can't really argue that it's less bad? Maybe there's hope for you yet.

 

[Throckmorton]

Assenge is an Idealist who believes in total Freedom of Speech/Information. Perhaps he has acted naively by publishing names which could harm innocents, but then there's no guarantee that those innocents have been or will be(I'm sure some will somehow) harmed. In subsequent releases Wikileaks has blocked such information to address this concern.

I'm less concerned about Wikileaks than the backlash and calls for Death of those associated with it. Most of those angered have suffered nothing more than embarrassment and this is their response?

It seems we have fallen much farther from the Noble Principles that have brought us to this point than I ever imagined.

Where does the "no evidence" talking point come from? I've seen it repeated in so many places.

You're missing the point. Julian Assange harmed those people by releasing their identities. If the KKK is killing civil rights sympathizers, and you release a list of their identities, you have done harm to those people regardless of whether the KKK is able to kill them.

 

[sandorski]

So you can't really argue that it's less bad? Maybe there's hope for you yet.

One, you're snitching your neighbour to the Government, which gets him/her killed.

The other, you're snitching your Government to your neighbour, which gets it (?).