Wife wants a Pontiac Grand Am - are they bad cars for reliability?

TomC25

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My wife wants a 2000 V6 Grand Am - mostly for looks.

I was thinking they were not very reliable cars based on some I have seen.

She keeps telling me that since so many people drive them that they must be good.

I say there are a lot of people like her that go for looks.

We have looked at some reviews, but I would like some comments from others.

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daveman

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They are sharp looking cars but I would also question the reliability. I bought 3 new Pontiacs back in the late 80's they were nice cars but after a few years they all started giving trouble. You may want to give the Honda's, Toyotas, and Nissans a second look.
 

Helpless

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I have a '98 Grand AM GT that I bought new...finally put some money in it as I changed the tires..other than that, it has been a great car. In fact, the car I owned before that was a '94 Grand Am that I bought new and traded in for another ;) ...seems more relaible than my wife's Z-28
 

Helpless

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>You are about to get 50 posts telling her to get a civic or an accord or a camry<


If you do, just don't drop in the 1200W BassBox, the fat a$$ chrome muffler extension that makes your economy car sound &quot;phat,&quot; and the chain-link license plate :) ...and pull your damn pants up, man.
 

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<< She keeps telling me that since so many people drive them that they must be good.
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if that's her logic, tell her to look at the best selling cars over the last several years...
 

Keribeth

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I'm planning on purchasing a Grand Am too after I graduate. I'm curious to read these comments as well. Are there some years that are more reliable than others?
 

Doggiedog

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Grand Ams are cars you can easily rent. You should rent one for a week and see if you like it.
 

Pliablemoose

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If I remember correctly, they don't stand up well to crash testing NHSTA crash test data Does she want a 2 or 4 door?

Consumer reports: The redesigned Grand Am has little to recommend it. An independent rear suspension improved the ride a bit, but handling isn't crisp.Wind noise is pronounced. The 2.4-liter, 150-hp Four performs responsively, but it's noisy and rough; the uplevel 3.4-liter V6 is smoother, and quieter (the Four offers a manual transmission). The seats are soft but unsupportive. And a high lip makes the generous trunk hard to load. Reliability has improved to average. For 2001, the Grand Am gets an uplevel sound system and lower anchors for a LATCH/ISOFIX-compatible child seat.

The driving experience

The Grand Am mutes most bumps in the road fairly well, but its ride isn't as well controlled as the Contour's. A full load worsens the ride a little. The noise level is a lot like the Alero's, but with much more wind rush.

The Grand Am lacks the Contour's agility. Its body leans sharply in corners, and the steering gives little feel of the road. In fast corners, the car initially runs wide and then corrects its line sloppily. It was a bit difficult to control through our avoidance maneuver, but it was predictable enough.

The 2.4-liter Four performs responsively, but it's noisy. Expect about 23 mpg in mixed driving. An extra $595 buys a smoother, quieter, and more responsive 3.4-liter V6. Fuel economy should drop by only 1 or 2 mpg. The four-speed automatic transmission shifts very smoothly. All-speed traction control is standard in all versions of the Grand Am.

Braking is adequate.


Inside the car

Thanks to height adjustments for the seat and steering wheel, there's plenty of room for six-foot drivers, and five-footers can see out easily. We liked the Grand Am's large outside mirrors.

The front seats are soft but poorly padded and unsupportive. Unless the seatbacks are reclined considerably, they make people slouch forward. The rear seat can hold three adults, but it's too low.

Storage space in the cabin includes a deep, narrow glove compartment and several bins and pockets. There are two sturdy cup holders in front and two more in the rear. The front pair, ahead of the shift lever, are awkward to use. Each sun visor has an unlit, covered vanity mirror. You get no map lights or reading lights.

The large, easy-to-read gauges are bathed in soft red light at night. Most controls are easy to use. But the cruise-control switches are oddly placed, under the hub of the steering wheel, and the wheel partly conceals some minor controls.

The climate system is powerful and versatile. Ducts under the front seats route warmed air to rear-seat passengers.

The trunk can hold five Pullman cases or a folded wheelchair, and the split rear seatback can be folded down.The trunk sill is high, narrow, and far forward of the bumper, and the trunk hinges can crush cargo placed under them.


Safety and reliability

The Grand Am has dual air bags and four sets of lap-and-shoulder belts. The center-rear position has only a lap belt. The front belts have an adjustable upper mount. When the front head restraints are raised, they don't lock in position. But even when fully lowered, they're high enough. The two built-in head restraints in the rear seat are also high enough, though the shape of the seatback leaves them too far from the passenger's head. The Grand Am has daytime running lights.

This car hasn't yet been crash-tested by the government. Our bumper-basher distorted the bumper covers to the tune of $704 in front, $496 in the rear.

Driving with kids: You can easily secure most child seats snugly in the rear, where a child is safest. A comfort guide keeps the rear shoulder belts over the shoulder of an older child.

It's too early for us to predict the new Grand Am's reliability. (The previous model had an average record.) Our car arrived with misaligned door panels and other exterior fit-and-finish flaws, all counted as one defect.

How about a Pontiac Aztec?
 

rufruf44

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Grandam has a stylish looks, but their reliability still below the mainstream offering from Honda/Toyota. GM drivetrain should hold itself together nicely, and repair cost should be cheaper than the Japanese counterpart. Its the other parts of the car that tend to have problem sooner than comparable Japanese car. Resale value its quite low as well, although they're cheaper to begin with.
 

Helpless

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>Grand Ams are cars you can easily rent. You should rent one for a week and see if you like it.<


Great advice, sir...That is a far better way to judge than to read the so-called Consumer Reports...they have a hidden agenda and make a lot money off their rating system...you would be amazed at the number of times GM and other manufactures fly the &quot;testers&quot; around the world to different events to &quot;evaluate&quot; the cars...a direct correlation between the ratings they grant and the *perks* they receive.
 

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I had a grand-am for many years, and I loved it. I would recommend them.


Perfect for someone my size. I just purchased a new car, and grand am was at the top of my list until I saw the dashboard. I didn't like it.

So I bought a dodge stratus R/T. Nice car, very pleased with it. This is the V6 sport version. Actually cheaper, and nice looks. I always wanted a black car too, but didn't want to pay for a car wash each time I filled it up.

But black is definitely the best looking car color.
 

TomC25

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Hey thanks for the input guys.

I keep telling her we should get a newer Altima because our 95 Altima is great.

She wants something more sporty and with a V6.

I thought of a V6 Camry, but she thinks thats a grandma car.

She drove a Grand Am as a rental one time and that helped her want one.

We would want to keep the car for at least 5 years and I don't want costly repairs 3 years from now.

Well, off to more reviews and thanks to Pliablemoosefor the informative post and Helpless for the Comsumer Reports heads up.

 

slunk

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I disagree on the stylish looks. My girlfriend's sister owns a 2000 Grand Am, and it is quite ugly. Get something that's fuel efficient, safe, and attractive.
 

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Hi Tom - I own a 2000 Grand Am and I love it - looks good, nice smooth ride, and even though I only have the 150hp v4 its got a lot of guts for the money!

I have had mine 10 months with no problems at all... not quite long enough to tell you for sure, sorry! :)
 

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Hey my Camry XLE V6 rocks....man those baby ride so smooth its amazing...I had a Grand Prix not a Grand Am before the Camry....driving and performance was way too amazing but so was the number of times it went into the mechanics (7 times last year, luckily I had extensive warranty on it God bless those blokes at the bank who forced me to get it). But then again that was a 97 Grand Prix with 45000 on it when I used it last year. And that sure was a gas guzzler ..used to get 17/18MPG in the city.


If she wants a sporty car why not look out for the Accord EX V6 Coupe...I love those ..couldnt afford them though.


Yes I would say go for an import anytime...its fun driving a domestic (but that dosent last too long)
 

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My Step Mother, Grandma &amp; sister all bought late model grand am's between 1 &amp; 2 years ago... Of the 3 Only 1 still has the Grandam... of the 2 that they no longer have the 1st was paid for new in cash &amp; after spending a total of 4 months at the dealership in the first 6 months of owning the car she used it as a trade in with less than 500 miles on a Durango. The 2nd of wich politely had the power steering &amp; The brakes both go out at the same time on an icy road... thankfully my sister managed to curb it before hitting oncomming traffic. that was 3 days out of the dealership, so of course the dealership paid to fix it, &amp; 3 weeks after she got the car back she was driving down the freeway when the engine cought on fire. After the Local news station contacted the dealership she was promptly given a full refund...

Would I Buy one... NO...
 

Raspewtin

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<< Would I Buy one... NO... >>



good thing your sister was okay :Q I certainly would never buy virtually any Pontiac. American car manufacturers need to get it together.
 



<< You are about to get 50 posts telling her to get a civic or an accord or a camry. >>


Too bad thoes cars as weak as it gets.

Im looking at a Grand Prix, possibly a GTP.
 

Yo Ma Ma

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I bought a new GrandAm (4cyl though) in '86, it was a very reliable car. Only &quot;complaint&quot; I would pass along is it seemed to be a very desirable car for theft, so that might impact your insurance? I sold mine to my dad and it was stolen from him and trashed.
 

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<< . . . politely had the power steering &amp; The brakes both go out at the same time. . . >>

LMAO. Not that it's funny that that happened. It was the way you said it.

So, Grand Ma kept the Grand Am. GM can build some good cars, but when a bad one comes off the line, look the hell out! GM's quality control only seems to work part time at the assembly plants. GM is penny wise and pound foolish with the parts and engineering. If they can save a dime on that car that they think you won't notice, they will. You ever notice how many tail lights are burned out on late model GM cars? They probably saved $1.50 per case of those bulbs over what Toyota, Ford, etc. pays. GM is notorious for using deficient brake rotors on their Malibu. Why? To save a couple bucks per car. But it costs them a bundle to turn those rotors under warranty later, and pisses off customers. I'm sure there are many other examples.

GM is my least favorite car company because of thier conservative design and build quality, and it's the reason they're losing so much market share. They thought nobody would notice, but oh, how wrong they were.
 

Doggiedog

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Garfang is that true about the Malibus?

I rented one in SF while my boss rented a Mazda 626. I had to follow him in the pouring rain to a hotel and I was never more terrified in my life! He was just zipping around at 85mph while I thought I was going to hydroplane and die in that thing. It must have had the worst brakes and handling of any car I've ever driven in my life.
 

Thegonagle

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<< Garfang is that true about the Malibus? >>

Well, I try not to lie. ;) Look at the customer reviews on www.carreview.com. You'll see. GM has some of the lowest average ratings on the site. Beware: that site is S L O W during the daytime. Deficient servers, I guess. . . LOL.