Wi-fi only Xoom available for preorder $599

[ponyo]

All of a sudden specs matter.

When has it not mattered for successful mainstream product?

 

[Patranus]

All of a sudden specs matter.

Specs matter to a point where the user experience because unacceptable.

 

[theeedude]

Specs matter to a point where the user experience because unacceptable.

What exactly is that point? I am having an acceptable user experience on Nook Color with single core Droid 1 SOC. Let me guess, your idea of acceptable is whatever Apple has at the moment, everything below is not enough, everything above doesn't matter.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Man these threads all go in the same circles...

The Xoom is a bit pricy at the moment considering it's more mature competition, however I think it's important that Android Tablets maintain a sense of quality instead of being relegated to cheap competition. A company like Motorola may not have a product worthy of $600 at this time, however they want the market to recognize their product as having value. This way when they release a better and more mature product it will seem like a better deal.

Apple had the advantage of vertical integration that doesn't have these growing pains open platforms have and thus can have a more stable system quickly.

Also I should note I haven't used Honeycomb yet, and my total time spent with the iPad is roughly 5 minutes. That said I'm talking my mom into getting an iPad 2 because of ease of use and inclusion of FaceTime, however I would most likely get a Honeycomb tablet for myself (although the entire tablet market is too immature to justify the current price point given my current (lack of) income).

 

[Patranus]

What exactly is that point? I am having an acceptable user experience on Nook Color with single core Droid 1 SOC. Let me guess, your idea of acceptable is whatever Apple has at the moment, everything below is not enough, everything above doesn't matter.

The Nook color isn't a tablet, its is an e-reader.

 

[JD50]

Specs matter to a point where the user experience because unacceptable.

What do you find unacceptable with your NC experience?

 

[Ns1]

What do you find unacceptable with your NC experience?

Doesn't work the way you want it to out of the box?

 

[JD50]

The Nook color isn't a tablet, its is an e-reader.

The NC runs great with Android. You said that Android runs like shit on cheap hardware.

 

[JD50]

Doesn't work the way you want it to out of the box?

relevance?

Remember we're talking hardware specs here.

 

[Ns1]

relevance?

Remember we're talking hardware specs here.

"What do you find unacceptable about your NC experience" is the question.

I don't give a fuck what specs are under the hood I just want a great user experience, and reading hours upon hours of forum posts on how to root my color nook isn't one of those great user experiences (as an example).

 

[Mopetar]

relevance?

Remember we're talking hardware specs here.

Hardware specs don't live in a vacuum. You can have lower hardware specs if your software is better tuned or optimized. There's also a sense of balance; it wouldn't make much sense to release a Tegra 2 device with 8 GB of RAM.

Debating specs is utterly pointless. Debating what kind of performance you can get with them is somewhat more meaningful. Debating whether the performance you can get is suitable for the intended workload is probably best.

 

[Ns1]

Debating specs is utterly pointless. Debating what kind of performance you can get with them is somewhat more meaningful. Debating whether the performance you can get is suitable for the intended workload is probably best.

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[Munky]

The Nook color isn't a tablet, its is an e-reader.

It's a tablet disguised as an ereader. For anyone willing to spend a few minutes unlocking it, it becomes much more than a simple ereader.

By the same argument, I can say the ipad is an over-sized ipod touch.

 

[Sephire]

I will buy one for $200. For shits and giggles.

 

[theeedude]

The Nook color isn't a tablet, its is an e-reader.

I don't see how that strengthens your argument, when even an e-reader designed with bare minimum hardware has acceptable performance to run a tablet OS.

 

[Patranus]

The NC runs great with Android. You said that Android runs like shit on cheap hardware.

Are people here really this stupid?

The Xoom runs on "cheap" hardware if Motorola didn't make a profit.

To sell a tablet for ~$300 its manufacturing costs are going to be ~$150.
That is cheap hardware.

To sell a tablet (like the Xoom) for ~$600 its manufauring costs are going to be ~$300

I really don't understand why this is so fucking difficult for people to understand.

The NC isn't being sold as a tablet. BN doesn't make any money off of it. They don't have to make money on each unit because they make downstream income from book sales.

You cannot compare e-readers to tablets. They are 2 completely separate markets and business models.

If BN sold the NC with a tablet OS at its current retail price they would go out of business.

 

[JD50]

"What do you find unacceptable about your NC experience" is the question.

I don't give a fuck what specs are under the hood I just want a great user experience, and reading hours upon hours of forum posts on how to root my color nook isn't one of those great user experiences (as an example).

I'm not the one that brought up specs. What is so hard about this? If it takes you hours upon hours of reading forum posts to root your NC then I highly doubt you'd even be able to figure out how to turn the thing on in the first place. Rooting the NC, or replacing the entire stock build is literally around 10 to 15 steps, it's about as easy as it could possibly be.

However, that is completely irrelevant. What I and others have said is that IF a company sold the Nook Color with Froyo, Honeycomb, or Gingerbread PREINSTALLED for $300 it would fly off the shelves. The user experience is amazing for the $200 that I paid for it.

You're complaining about the user experience of a device you've never even used. The argument was that Android does not run well on cheaper hardware, go look at the NC and you'll see that's an absurd argument.

 

[JD50]

Hardware specs don't live in a vacuum. You can have lower hardware specs if your software is better tuned or optimized. There's also a sense of balance; it wouldn't make much sense to release a Tegra 2 device with 8 GB of RAM.

Debating specs is utterly pointless. Debating what kind of performance you can get with them is somewhat more meaningful. Debating whether the performance you can get is suitable for the intended workload is probably best.

Did you and NS1 completely ignore the person that I was responding to?

 

[smartpatrol]

Who cares what iPad of 5 years from now sells for? iPad is not going to be mainstream tablet, just like MacBook Air is not mainstream netbook, it's going to be a premium product.
5 years from now, $200 is going to be selling price for a mainstream Android tablet.

Sounds like what people were saying about the iPod several years ago. Yet it did become mainstream, despite being a premium product selling at a premium price. There were countless cheaper options, countless so-called "iPod killers", and yet iPod still utterly dominated the music player market.

I would argue that the $500 iPad is ALREADY a mainstream tablet -- possibly more mainstream than any Android tablet will ever be. The iPad's position is very similar to the iPod's position several years ago. It's the hot new gadget that people are fawning over. "iPad" is synonymous with tablets just like "iPod" was synonymous with mp3 players. And, the competitors are all scrambling like crazy to try and grab a piece of the market.

In other words, sure, there will be cheaper options, but it remains to be seen whether the general public will embrace them in significant numbers.

 

[JD50]

Are people here really this stupid?

The Xoom runs on "cheap" hardware if Motorola didn't make a profit.

To sell a tablet for ~$300 its manufacturing costs are going to be ~$150.
That is cheap hardware.

To sell a tablet (like the Xoom) for ~$600 its manufauring costs are going to be ~$300

I really don't understand why this is so fucking difficult for people to understand.

The NC isn't being sold as a tablet. BN doesn't make any money off of it. They don't have to make money on each unit because they make downstream income from book sales.

You cannot compare e-readers to tablets. They are 2 completely separate markets and business models.

If BN sold the NC with a tablet OS at its current retail price they would go out of business.

Patranus, you have been asked repeatedly to provide some proof of how much it costs to make the NC. That is the key to your argument so it might be worth it for you to look that up.

I am not talking about selling a tablet like the XOOM, I'm talking about selling a tablet like the NC. When you put Android on the NC it runs almost flawlessly.

 

[JD50]

"What do you find unacceptable about your NC experience" is the question.

I don't give a fuck what specs are under the hood I just want a great user experience, and reading hours upon hours of forum posts on how to root my color nook isn't one of those great user experiences (as an example).

Seriously, did you even read the post I quoted when I asked that question?

 

[Geekbabe]

The Nook color isn't a tablet, its is an e-reader.

LOL mine seems to think it's a tablet, it's behaving like one

 

[Patranus]

I am not talking about selling a tablet like the XOOM, I'm talking about selling a tablet like the NC. When you put Android on the NC it runs almost flawlessly.

A tablet like the Nook Color when being sold as a tablet would have the price point of $400+.

 

[Ns1]

Seriously, did you even read the post I quoted when I asked that question?

Specs matter to a point where the user experience because unacceptable.

What do you find unacceptable with your NC experience?

WTF kind of reply do you want? I don't give a fuck if you got a 1.1ghz processor under the hood when I need to root the fucking machine to use the machine to it's fullest potential (and then look up more forum posts to figure out how to get bluetooth working, or to get flash working, or to get the app store working, or WHATEVER)

I'm toying with the idea of a rooted nook or an android device cuz I'm a geek and am fairly willing to tinker. BUT most of my friends (and all of my female friends) would scoff at the idea of something that doesn't work right out of the box.

And quite frankly after being spoiled by apple products I'm starting to get there too. I REALLY want an Envy 14 but the thought of spending a few hours to get rid of alllllllllll the bloat and shit kills me.


Therefore specs of the machine matters up to the point where it affects the user experience, and quite frankly the specs of the CN don't matter to me cuz the "user experience" of tinkering with a Nook is NOT a + to me.

So I guess I'm grouping the "buying experience" with the "user experience"

 

[theeedude]

Sounds like what people were saying about the iPod several years ago. Yet it did become mainstream, despite being a premium product selling at a premium price. There were countless cheaper options, countless so-called "iPod killers", and yet iPod still utterly dominated the music player market.

I would argue that the $500 iPad is ALREADY a mainstream tablet -- possibly more mainstream than any Android tablet will ever be. The iPad's position is very similar to the iPod's position several years ago. It's the hot new gadget that people are fawning over. "iPad" is synonymous with tablets just like "iPod" was synonymous with mp3 players. And, the competitors are all scrambling like crazy to try and grab a piece of the market.

In other words, sure, there will be cheaper options, but it remains to be seen whether the general public will embrace them in significant numbers.

Of course it remains to be seen. But even if you look at iPod, it's being replaced with smartphones, where Android already has the biggest share.
iPad is the hot new gadget now, in 2015 it's going to be something else, and tablets are going to be commodities. Then Apple is going to be left with "if it's not an iPad, it's not an iPad" as the reason why you should get an iPad.