Why you shouldn't race into a burning house to save a pet.

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

What kind of 'serious issues' are those? Perhaps you can enlighten me, and i'll seek help.

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

If the firefighters are there, and if they say 'no', then no, you shouldn't. It's their job, they are much better equipped and trained to do it, and you entering the house could double the number of people they need to rescue.

Well, they didn't in the other guy's case. They had 30 mins to do it, and with all their equipment and training, they obviously didn't... but the guy was able to do it himself.

If after 30 mins, i didn't think the firefighters were getting any closer to saving a family member, i would try it myself if it was possible . Of course i wouldn't run into a hopeless situation.

First off, the article doesn't say "He told them, and then they waited 30 minutes"... he very well could have waited 30 minutes, then told them, then decided to run up anyway.

And why are we supposed to trust his memory of "almost 30 minutes" when he also told us he used a barbell to open the door? (See Video)

The fact that he was lucky nothing happened doesn't automatically mean that he was right and the firefighters were wrong. He had absolutely no knowledge of what was going on, how dangerous it was, etc. While we are happy the dog lived, it was a stupid decision he made.

Sometimes stupid decisions have better outcomes than the smart decisions... which obviously happened in this case. You win some, and you lose some. For me, i would risk it. Maybe to you life isn't as important. *shrug*

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

What kind of 'serious issues' are those? Perhaps you can enlighten me, and i'll seek help.

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

By that logic, you could just marry someone else, or have another kid if one were to die

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

If the firefighters are there, and if they say 'no', then no, you shouldn't. It's their job, they are much better equipped and trained to do it, and you entering the house could double the number of people they need to rescue.

Well, they didn't in the other guy's case. They had 30 mins to do it, and with all their equipment and training, they obviously didn't... but the guy was able to do it himself.

If after 30 mins, i didn't think the firefighters were getting any closer to saving a family member, i would try it myself if it was possible . Of course i wouldn't run into a hopeless situation.

First off, the article doesn't say "He told them, and then they waited 30 minutes"... he very well could have waited 30 minutes, then told them, then decided to run up anyway.

And why are we supposed to trust his memory of "almost 30 minutes" when he also told us he used a barbell to open the door? (See Video)

The fact that he was lucky nothing happened doesn't automatically mean that he was right and the firefighters were wrong. He had absolutely no knowledge of what was going on, how dangerous it was, etc. While we are happy the dog lived, it was a stupid decision he made.

Sometimes stupid decisions have better outcomes than the smart decisions... which obviously happened in this case. You win some, and you lose some. For me, i would risk it. Maybe to you life isn't as important. *shrug*

Maybe to your family, your life is more important than your dog's.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

What kind of 'serious issues' are those? Perhaps you can enlighten me, and i'll seek help.

Like I said, is your dog going to put food on the table and pay the bills when you're gone?

No, what does that matter? My family have other ways of making money... not every family is dependent on one person. Sometimes risking your life is just required... whether it's for a pet, or a stranger. What difference does it make?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You know, sometimes logic isn't the answer to everything. Logically, an animal should just be an animal, but it's not. I would rescue my pets, as much as i would rescue a stranger from a burning building. If i die rescueing my pets, it'll be sad, but i'm sure my family would understand.

I'm sure they would, I could just see your wife comforting your kids.

"It's ok dear, I know your father burned to death and his remains were charred beyond recognition, but you still have you're pet hamster"

Yeah, they'd understand.

And who are you to say how my family should value lives?

 

[Emveach]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

Yes. I do. My dog is like my child to me. If it came down to the choice of watching her die, or risking my life to save her, I would take that risk.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

What kind of 'serious issues' are those? Perhaps you can enlighten me, and i'll seek help.

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

Sure you can. Adoption or just procreating another one. What's the matter with you? People are made everyday.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

What kind of 'serious issues' are those? Perhaps you can enlighten me, and i'll seek help.

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

By that logic, you could just marry someone else, or have another kid

While everybody establishes strong relationships with their pets, very strong, you cannot compare them to a human member of your family. Your wife didn't bear a dog. You aren't going to watch your dog go through school, you aren't going to watch your dog graduate college, marry somebody, live a life, have kids of their own, etc.

If you run in and save your dog, while dying int he process, your wife has lost her huband of 10 years, your children will grow up without a dad, your family will no longer be able to afford their basic needs, etc.

If you lose the dog, everyone will be upset, no doubt, but it isn't going to change your life drastically for years to come.

Don't get mad at me, I am an animal lover as much as the next person, but I am realistic when it comes to serious matters.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You know, sometimes logic isn't the answer to everything. Logically, an animal should just be an animal, but it's not. I would rescue my pets, as much as i would rescue a stranger from a burning building. If i die rescueing my pets, it'll be sad, but i'm sure my family would understand.

I'm sure they would, I could just see your wife comforting your kids.

"It's ok dear, I know your father burned to death and his remains were charred beyond recognition, but you still have you're pet hamster"

Yeah, they'd understand.

Again, what are these 'serious issues' i have that you mentioned. I'll like them identify if you could please, since you already know what they are.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Cause it's hard telling a wife and kids that your father died because he was trying to save rover.



PS: pets can be replaced easily, fathers/husbands can't.....

My dog is not only part of the family but a living creature. Sacrificing her life for mine is pathetic. I don't care what the reprocussions are, but I am going to try my hardest to save my pets life in any situation and not just stand around and watch it die.

 

[Mrburns2007]

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

Sure you can. Adoption or just procreating another one. What's the matter with you? People are made everyday.[/quote]

I hope your being sarcastic ?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

What kind of 'serious issues' are those? Perhaps you can enlighten me, and i'll seek help.

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

By that logic, you could just marry someone else, or have another kid

While everybody establishes strong relationships with their pets, very strong, you cannot compare them to a human member of your family. Your wife didn't bear a dog. You aren't going to watch your dog go through school, you aren't going to watch your dog graduate college, marry somebody, live a life, have kids of their own, etc.

If you run in and save your dog, while dying int he process, your wife has lost her huband of 10 years, your children will grow up without a dad, your family will no longer be able to afford their basic needs, etc.

If you lose the dog, everyone will be upset, no doubt, but it isn't going to change your life drastically for years to come.

Don't get mad at me, I am an animal lover as much as the next person, but I am realistic when it comes to serious matters.

Well, obviously some people establish stronger bonds than others. Like i asked, risking your life for a stranger wouldn't be worth it then? If i saved a stranger but died, the stranger would certainly have less impact on my family than a pet does... so by your logic, i shouldn't bother saving that 5 year old neighbour girl of mine... her life is certainly isn't worth as much as mine according to my family.

 

[Dragnov]

Thats nice. What about those people that don't have wife and kids? What if their pet is their only family member?

 

[EDiT]

Originally posted by: MacBaineLike I said, is your dog going to put food on the table and pay the bills when you're gone?

Is a complete stranger going to put food on the table if I die trying to save him? By your logic, I should never help anyone else unless my quality of life will suffer if I don't. "Hmm...that guy just crashed his car into a tree, and it may blow up any moment, but since he doesn't pay my water bill, I'm going to let him die."

Must be nice to be able to go through life not being burdened with feelings like compassion.

Oh, and if I didn't go back in to a burning building to save our dogs, my wife would kill me herself. I would rather die than see one of our boys die.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

Sure you can. Adoption or just procreating another one. What's the matter with you? People are made everyday.

I hope your being sarcastic ?[/quote]

What do you think? I'm just saying some people consider their pets FAMILY... equal to every other family member. Just like you don't descriminate between the oldest son from the youngest daughter, we don't descriminate our pets. By your logic, a son should be worth more than an infants daughter's life... since a son has a better chance of making money for the family than the infant daughter.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007 My friend is a city fightfighter and he has already seen three people get killed trying to rescue there pets from fires. It's stupid and irresponsible and when your dead your wife and kids are going to miss you more then the pets.

Well then i shouldn't try rescuing my baby either, right?

Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

What kind of 'serious issues' are those? Perhaps you can enlighten me, and i'll seek help.

I've had 5 or 6 cats which have gone to cat heaven but I always just get another cat, if a family member dies I cannot replace them.

By that logic, you could just marry someone else, or have another kid

While everybody establishes strong relationships with their pets, very strong, you cannot compare them to a human member of your family. Your wife didn't bear a dog. You aren't going to watch your dog go through school, you aren't going to watch your dog graduate college, marry somebody, live a life, have kids of their own, etc.

If you run in and save your dog, while dying int he process, your wife has lost her huband of 10 years, your children will grow up without a dad, your family will no longer be able to afford their basic needs, etc.

If you lose the dog, everyone will be upset, no doubt, but it isn't going to change your life drastically for years to come.

Don't get mad at me, I am an animal lover as much as the next person, but I am realistic when it comes to serious matters.

Well, obviously some people establish stronger bonds than others. Like i asked, risking your life for a stranger wouldn't be worth it then? If i saved a stranger but died, the stranger would certainly have less impact on my family than a pet does... so by your logic, i shouldn't bother saving that 5 year old neighbour girl of mine... her life is certainly isn't worth as much as mine according to my family.

Why can't you just let the firefighters save her? How is your judgement better than theirs?

 

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Cause it's hard telling a wife and kids that your father died because he was trying to save rover.



PS: pets can be replaced easily, fathers/husbands can't.....

My dog is not only part of the family but a living creature. Sacrificing her life for mine is pathetic. I don't care what the reprocussions are, but I am going to try my hardest to save my pets life in any situation and not just stand around and watch it die.

Great then the fightfighters will sit around and watch you die.

 

[EDiT]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Cause it's hard telling a wife and kids that your father died because he was trying to save rover.



PS: pets can be replaced easily, fathers/husbands can't.....

My dog is not only part of the family but a living creature. Sacrificing her life for mine is pathetic. I don't care what the reprocussions are, but I am going to try my hardest to save my pets life in any situation and not just stand around and watch it die.

Great then the fightfighters will sit around watch you die.

Wouldn't want them to exert themselves anyways...

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Great then the fightfighters will sit around watch you die.

Then so be it. Let that one linger with them for the rest of their lives. Sort of how I'd always regret it if I had not tried to save my pet.

 

[Looney]

Why can't you just let the firefighters save her? How is your judgement better than theirs?

It's not... and i would let the firefighters do their job... but if i saw they weren't doing it good enough, or they weren't there, i would take desperate measure... even if it means risking my life.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Torghn


Do you really think an animal has the same importance as an human does? If so you have some serious issues.

It depends who you're talking about. *My* dog means more to me than you do. I could much more easily deal with losing a complete stranger (especially one that talks trash) than losing my dog. I'd miss my dog, I can't say that I'd miss you.


That's the key to being on someone's "good side". I'd gladly help someone who seems nice, but I won't risk singeing my hair trying to save someone that I don't like.

 

[Looney]

I think some of you guys are missing the point... none of us are saying we would take over a firefighters role and do it ourselves, which didn't even enter into the discussion until halfway through. We're just saying that our pets are equal to our family, so risking our life for them is worth it. Would i purposely interfere with the firefighters to save a family member? Not unless i was desperate... in which case i would, whether it was a dog or a girl... or at least i would like to think i would have the courage to.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Cause it's hard telling a wife and kids that your father died because he was trying to save rover.



PS: pets can be replaced easily, fathers/husbands can't.....

My dog is not only part of the family but a living creature. Sacrificing her life for mine is pathetic. I don't care what the reprocussions are, but I am going to try my hardest to save my pets life in any situation and not just stand around and watch it die.

Great then the fightfighters will sit around and watch you die.

What's your point? That's a risk some people are willing to take for their pets who they view as family members

 

[Torghn]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Moralpanic You know, sometimes logic isn't the answer to everything. Logically, an animal should just be an animal, but it's not. I would rescue my pets, as much as i would rescue a stranger from a burning building. If i die rescueing my pets, it'll be sad, but i'm sure my family would understand.

I'm sure they would, I could just see your wife comforting your kids. "It's ok dear, I know your father burned to death and his remains were charred beyond recognition, but you still have you're pet hamster" Yeah, they'd understand.

Again, what are these 'serious issues' i have that you mentioned. I'll like them identify if you could please, since you already know what they are.

You have pointed them out many times already, you value pets as much as family members. Animals are NOT as important as humans. Think about it the other way around. Would you rather have your pet or your wife? Don't come up with some lame answer like it's her choice if she wants to risk her life, simply answer who would you choose if you had to make the choice. If you even have to think about it, that's your problem.