Why you american so obsess with guns??

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Gun epidemic? You sound like someone who has been brainwashed by anti-gun groups. Pick up a pamphlet for HCI recently?

Remind me never to vote you into any elected office in my state or country.

here:

In 2000, there were 29,573 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day.

In 2000, 75,685 people suffered firearm gunshot injuries.

Gun deaths per 100,00 people in '99:

England/Wales 0.12
Scotland 0.12
Switzerland 0.50
Canada 0.54
USA 4.08

So the US had over seven times the rate of the next person in the list, and that was several years ago...

More facts? here's some for you all:

- 8 children a day die in murders, suicides and accidents involving guns

- since John F. Kennedy was assinated more Americans have died from gunshot wounds at home than died in all the wars of the 20th century

- Osama bin Laden would need at least nine twin towers like attacks each year to equal what Americans do to themselves every year with guns.


But yeah, guns are a fantastic idea...

I'd rather save the above lives and have them fight along my side in case of government oppression.

Also, if your government does turn against you for some reason, do you really think you're going to stop the US army with your small arms? Remember that rifle vs tank video posted here not so long ago?

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Do you know what the population of the United States is? As of the year 2000 it was 281,421,906. So, 29,573 gun deaths in 2000 is what? .01%??? I can live with that. :laugh:

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Gun epidemic? You sound like someone who has been brainwashed by anti-gun groups. Pick up a pamphlet for HCI recently?

Remind me never to vote you into any elected office in my state or country.

here:

In 2000, there were 29,573 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day.

In 2000, 75,685 people suffered firearm gunshot injuries.

Gun deaths per 100,00 people in '99:

England/Wales 0.12
Scotland 0.12
Switzerland 0.50
Canada 0.54
USA 4.08

So the US had over seven times the rate of the next person in the list, and that was several years ago...

More facts? here's some for you all:

- 8 children a day die in murders, suicides and accidents involving guns

- since John F. Kennedy was assinated more Americans have died from gunshot wounds at home than died in all the wars of the 20th century

- Osama bin Laden would need at least nine twin towers like attacks each year to equal what Americans do to themselves every year with guns.


But yeah, guns are a fantastic idea...

I'd rather save the above lives and have them fight along my side in case of government oppression.

Also, if your government does turn against you for some reason, do you really think you're going to stop the US army with your small arms? Remember that rifle vs tank video posted here not so long ago?

Yeah, I'd like to see your "statistics" for crimes commited with knives in other countries compared to the US.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Gun epidemic? You sound like someone who has been brainwashed by anti-gun groups. Pick up a pamphlet for HCI recently?

Remind me never to vote you into any elected office in my state or country.

here:

In 2000, there were 29,573 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day.

In 2000, 75,685 people suffered firearm gunshot injuries.

Gun deaths per 100,00 people in '99:

England/Wales 0.12
Scotland 0.12
Switzerland 0.50
Canada 0.54
USA 4.08

So the US had over seven times the rate of the next person in the list, and that was several years ago...

More facts? here's some for you all:

- 8 children a day die in murders, suicides and accidents involving guns

- since John F. Kennedy was assinated more Americans have died from gunshot wounds at home than died in all the wars of the 20th century

- Osama bin Laden would need at least nine twin towers like attacks each year to equal what Americans do to themselves every year with guns.


But yeah, guns are a fantastic idea...

I'd rather save the above lives and have them fight along my side in case of government oppression.

Also, if your government does turn against you for some reason, do you really think you're going to stop the US army with your small arms? Remember that rifle vs tank video posted here not so long ago?

Sorry but you can't include suicides in any statistic concerning gun control. That's probably the main reason those numbers are so skewed.

 

[CHfan4ever]

But you see, here its different.The "threat" level is really not like in US.Probably the main reason why having a gun in your country, is nearly required.If by any bad luck, someone, exemple,try to break into my house, well iv been teach to run to a nearly neiberhood and call the cops.

You guys have been raise to defend yourself,while he have been raise in a more ..peacefull way?

Im not saying that the way you guys got raised or act is wrong.Maybe one day, if canada go crazy and criminality level go up 500%, i will be the one who might fall first, because i never been raised to defend myself.All i have is my 5ft bastard sword lol!And damn its heavy to swing at someone

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: ifesfor
But you see, here its different.The "threat" level is really not like in US.Probably the main reason why having a gun in your country, is nearly required.If by any bad luck, someone, exemple,try to break into my house, well iv been teach to run to a nearly neiberhood and call the cops.

You guys have been raise to defend yourself,while he have been raise in a more ..peacefull way?

Im not saying that the way you guys got raised or act is wrong.Maybe one day, if canada go crazy and criminality level go up 500%, i will be the one who might fall first, because i never been raised to defend myself.All i have is my 5ft bastard sword lol!And damn its heavy to swing at someone

Have fun running with a hole in your head. Or back. Or chest. Or wherever the intruder happens to shoot you. Dumbass.

Oh, and In Before the "French = Surrender" connection.

- M4H

 

[KC5AV]

If an armed criminal broke into your house, that sword would probably get you killed. Do you even have room to swing it?

 

[CHfan4ever]

Originally posted by: KC5AV
If an armed criminal broke into your house, that sword would probably get you killed. Do you even have room to swing it?

LOL no!I would hit nearly walls before hitting my target

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: ifesfor
But you see, here its different.The "threat" level is really not like in US.Probably the main reason why having a gun in your country, is nearly required.If by any bad luck, someone, exemple,try to break into my house, well iv been teach to run to a nearly neiberhood and call the cops.

You guys have been raise to defend yourself,while he have been raise in a more ..peacefull way?

Im not saying that the way you guys got raised or act is wrong.Maybe one day, if canada go crazy and criminality level go up 500%, i will be the one who might fall first, because i never been raised to defend myself.All i have is my 5ft bastard sword lol!And damn its heavy to swing at someone

Is English your first language?

I'd like to see you run out of your house to a neighbor (isn't that quaint) at 3am when you're being burglarized.

It's sad that you were taught to just roll over and acquiesce to whoever has power over you. Enjoy.

 

[Mayfriday0529]

I want a gun but i can't afford it.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Is English your first language?

He's from Quebec.

I'd like to see you run out of your house to a neighbor (isn't that quaint) at 3am when you're being burglarized.

Quebec is in Canada.

It's sad that you were taught to just roll over and acquiesce to whoever has power over you. Enjoy.

Quebec is predominantly French.

I couldn't resist.

- M4H

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Is English your first language?

He's from Quebec.

I'd like to see you run out of your house to a neighbor (isn't that quaint) at 3am when you're being burglarized.

Quebec is in Canada.

It's sad that you were taught to just roll over and acquiesce to whoever has power over you. Enjoy.

Quebec is predominantly French.

I couldn't resist.

- M4H

"Gee Mr. Burglar, I see you got my money and valuable possessions, would you like me to fellate you now?"

 

[CHfan4ever]

Here, i update my signature so you guys can understand now that my english isnt perfect and is not my primary language!

 

Do you think hitler would get into power these days? Do you not feel that many lessons were learnt from WW2?
People do have brains, governments do have international policies to prevent events like WW2 and the communist revolution reoccuring.
Paranoia is not a good reason to possess a lethal weapon.

Absolutely he could rise to power these days. 50 years of history won't make that much difference in human nature. I think you need to actually take a look at issues across the world to realize how foolish your view is. In the past 50 years there have been at least 5 similar military coups, international policy does nothing to stop this.

As insightful as your post is there, I must disagree. The UK is one of the most liberal and open countries in the world. It does not force people to swear allegiance upon entering the country nor does it have the national flag in every classroom. We do not say "God bless Britain" with our hands on our hearts. You tell me who's "owned".

Your govt. structure is less open and accessible than ours in america. You have to swear allegiance to the queen. What does students saying a pledge of allegiance in the morning have to do with anything? Since when do you have to swear allegiance when entering the country, where are you getting that bs info from? If you want to be a citizen, then mabey I can see that being a stipulation, though it is like that in almost every country. I'm sure it's like that in the UK too. Otherwise you have no idea what you're talking about and are coming off like a typical anti-america bandwagon jackass.

In this day and age, there really is no decent excuse for joe average to own a gun. Only farmers and perhaps those living a significant distance from civilsation should own a gun, as it is in europe. If you're unsure about this last statement, go and check the figures for gun deaths in the respective regions.

Sorry, europe isn't the center of the world. The world doesn't run by the rules that europe does.
There is no decent excuse for joe average to do an uncountable number of things, but they are done anyway. You sound like a socialist, take that nanny state crap elsewhere. Oh wait, I thought you lived in the most open and liberal country on the planet. :roll:

You're comparing the UK (pop. 60million) to the US (pop 300 million). That's a VERY large difference, and will account for many cultural and economic differences. You want a better comparison, compare california to UK or New York to the UK.

In the end it boils down to you talking out of your ass like the typical anti-gun zealot. You can't analyze data beyond the first step, which is made very apparant by your ridiculous claim of "gun deaths being an epidemic" in america. There are so many other things that cause more deaths on a daily basis, why arn't they "epidemics"? If guns are such a problem, why don't the swiss have a huge gun problem on their hands? There are more guns per capita there than anywhere else in the world.

There have been so many gun threads like this in the past and in everyone of them someone like you pulls the same argument and gets their ass handed to them on a platter, just like this thread. It's amazing how strong of an argument you can make while knowing so little. Google is your only friend.

 

[torpid]

I don't care what language you speak primarily, ifesfor, your opinions are unbelievably ignorant and childish. I can only hope that you are intentionally posting flame bait and trolling, otherwise my faith in canadians, or more specifically, Quebec, has faded. That someone so ignorant is allowed to post drek like the stuff below makes me think Quebec needs to focus on internet control as if it is an illicit substance that no one should use.

call 911 if someone threatened you" here in canada, while in US its " shoot if someone threatened you"

 

[Linflas]

What? So you pay all this money in taxes, and your government spends more on it's military than the next 10 countries combined, and yet you feel defense is the duty of the citizens?

Yep that pretty much sums it up. The vast majority of us do love this country enough to feel exactly that way.

 

[oslama]

Originally posted by: ifesfor


Why do you guys buy guns?You aware of the consequence if something go bad in your life and you decide to do a stupid move right?

Americans are stupid and arrogant. They think they can solve all their problems via violence.

 

[smithdj]

Originally posted by: oslama

Originally posted by: ifesfor


Why do you guys buy guns?You aware of the consequence if something go bad in your life and you decide to do a stupid move right?

Americans are stupid and arrogant. They think they can solve all their problems via violence.

Best Post Ever ^

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: oslama

Originally posted by: ifesfor


Why do you guys buy guns?You aware of the consequence if something go bad in your life and you decide to do a stupid move right?

Americans are stupid and arrogant. They think they can solve all their problems via violence.

Simply not true -- we like to murder idiots.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: oslama

Americans are stupid and arrogant. They think they can solve all their problems via violence.

Well, we didn't become the world's #1 superpower by acting like pansies. Sometimes you have to be proactive. Destroying all that oppose you can be healthy and effective.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Linflas

What? So you pay all this money in taxes, and your government spends more on it's military than the next 10 countries combined, and yet you feel defense is the duty of the citizens?

Yep that pretty much sums it up. The vast majority of us do love this country enough to feel exactly that way.

In America, the citizens ARE the government. Government is not our God, and we are not slaves to it.

 

[CraigRT]

I dont like guns either.. they can stay south of the border for all I care

 

[MikeMike]

i like guns.

guns can be very decorative if used correctly.

hence this pic...decorative

bad pic, i know. new lens i was trying to use

MIKE

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: sixone
No argument here. Europe would fold like a wet blanket, and do anything for 'peace'. Well, maybe not the UK, but France and Germany would. Haven't you heard their puling about the Middle East? No?

Myopic. There are over 5 million arab residents in France, for a start...
Are you talking about how they didn't help invade iraq? I seem to recall huge demonstrations in the UK and the US because the citizens thought it a bad idea. Then they went ahead anyway and suprise suprise, no WMD's and our soldiers are getting killed almost daily, not to mention civilian casualties. This is offtopic, however.

Europe wouldn't fold, plain and simple. You forget that Europe and the US are allies, as well as many other countries. Who's going to take that on?

Somalia and Sudan. Your international policies ain't doing squat.

Sure, but they have serious government corruption issues and are hardly westernised. The tribes that live in the amazon jungle also aren't going to abide by international policy. The westernised world is different.
Look what happened when we thought Sadam was a threat. Who's actually going to be any kind of a threat?

More people die in car accidents every day than die in shootings. You should be more concerned about that.

Grow up. A car is primarily designed for transport, which is essential. A gun is primarily designed to kill, which isn't.

There is no decent excuse for joe average to own a home, or get paid vacation time for work, or eat beef instead of ham.

What are you even talking about? go away.

If you like Europe better, you're welcome to live there.

Gladly. Incidentally, check out how many people are moving out of the US and coming here...

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Wait a minute, I thought guns were the root of society's evils. Oh...

Want to quote me on that? It's a combination of your media/government/way of life and poor gun control.

And one more thing, you see what the terrorists are doing to the US Military in Iraq? Yeah, those guys have small arms and explosives. Interesting...

Yeah, they've sent the coalition packing, look how they're running away! All they do is pick off the odd person patrolling the street, fire a couple of mortars/RPG's or set off a suicide bomb. Not many of you guys have mortars or explosives that you're willing to run up and detonate yourself, do you?

Remember they're trying to maintain the peace there, not stop an invading army!

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Nothing gets a burglar running for his life faster than a good loud shotgun pump

And what's your reaction when the burglar's doing the pumping?

You guys seem to be under the impression that all burglars are bumbling goons without a clue who stumble blindy into your home, making loads of noise and wearing a T-shirt with a big target on it...

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Do you know what the population of the United States is? As of the year 2000 it was 281,421,906. So, 29,573 gun deaths in 2000 is what? .01%??? I can live with that.

Even if it was your brother/mother/father caught in crossfire?

Originally posted by: SampSon
Absolutely he could rise to power these days. 50 years of history won't make that much difference in human nature. I think you need to actually take a look at issues across the world to realize how foolish your view is. In the past 50 years there have been at least 5 similar military coups, international policy does nothing to stop this.

So you're saying that extremists like Hitler could gain power in the US, and the people would take it, and the only way these leaders currently don't crop up there is because you guys have guns in your houses... I see.

If you were in the army and some new extremist leader ordered you to attack your own people, would you? Neither would I.

Your govt. structure is less open and accessible than ours in america. You have to swear allegiance to the queen. What does students saying a pledge of allegiance in the morning have to do with anything? Since when do you have to swear allegiance when entering the country, where are you getting that bs info from? If you want to be a citizen, then mabey I can see that being a stipulation, though it is like that in almost every country. I'm sure it's like that in the UK too. Otherwise you have no idea what you're talking about and are coming off like a typical anti-america bandwagon jackass.

-You don't have to swear allegiance to the queen, that's exactly my point.
-Students saying the pledge of allegiance to the country each morning is closer to 'brainwashing' and being 'owned' (as you put it) by the country than the British method which is.... to start the lesson and not say anything.
-Obviously you don't have to swear allegiance when you're going on holiday, stop being a fool. Blatantly I was talking about when becoming a citizen. It's not like that in the UK, that was my point!
-As for me not knowing what I'm talking about.... well the proof is in the pudding. It seems you guys are closer to being 'owned' by your government. Sorry.

Sorry, europe isn't the center of the world. Th...

[little childish rant]

...omeone like you pulls the same argument and gets their ass handed to them on a platter, just like this thread. It's amazing how strong of an argument you can make while knowing so little. Google is your only friend.

Well that was very grown up of you. You going to get a cap gun for your 14th birthday, next year?




I've given you figures showing how bad the problem is in the US. In terms of responses you seem to have the following:

-Our own government and army might suddenly turn against us, thus turning this country from a superpower to a desolate warzone. We can stop f-16's, raptors, nimitz cruisers, Abram's, Bradleys etc etc etc with our 12-bore's...

-Burglars might enter our home. These guys aren't hardened criminals and won't expect me to have a gun. They like to make loads of noise and do not take into account the occupants of the house when planning a job. I'll be sitting awake with my gun handy, loaded and not in a locked enclosure (children never like to touch guns, so there's no need to lock it up). I'll blast that beeyach away and be a serious hero. There won't be any concequences...

-Some random country will get a fleet of ships, sail across the ocean and invade our country. The US military won't do anything and it'll be up to us to run about with our rifles to take on this invasion force that our own government isn't dealing with.

-I don't feel enough of a man, so I need a big boom-stick to compensate.


I accept that it's cool to use guns for sporting purposes. I used to regularly shoot, but the guns were secured within the gun club inside a hefty safe. There's no reason for me to have a lethal weapon in my house. Sure it'd feel good, there's nothing like the feeling of a gun in your arms, I love it personally, but it's just not needed by the general populace.

At the end of the day, nothing will ever change. No leader of yours will ever have the stones to change the rules there, just as they won't increase fuel prices or join the kyoto agreement as it'd be political suicide. It's interesting that so many of you are so supportive on all these lethal weapons going about. This thread has been quite interesting for me. I would give it 6/10.

Have a nice day.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Wait a minute, I thought guns were the root of society's evils. Oh...

Want to quote me on that? It's a combination of your media/government/way of life and poor gun control.

I believe you said that "only bikers and gang members get guns". And said people are essentially the dregs of society.

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: mwtgg
And one more thing, you see what the terrorists are doing to the US Military in Iraq? Yeah, those guys have small arms and explosives. Interesting...

Yeah, they've sent the coalition packing, look how they're running away! All they do is pick off the odd person patrolling the street, fire a couple of mortars/RPG's or set off a suicide bomb. Not many of you guys have mortars or explosives that you're willing to run up and detonate yourself, do you?

Remember they're trying to maintain the peace there, not stop an invading army!

They're very effective at what they do. Just because the administration is firm against withdrawal doesn't mean that there aren't those who favor pulling out because of these attacks.

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Nothing gets a burglar running for his life faster than a good loud shotgun pump

And what's your reaction when the burglar's doing the pumping?

You guys seem to be under the impression that all burglars are bumbling goons without a clue who stumble blindy into your home, making loads of noise and wearing a T-shirt with a big target on it...

Who knows your own house better than you?

Originally posted by: loic2003
I've given you figures showing how bad the problem is in the US. In terms of responses you seem to have the following:

-Our own government and army might suddenly turn against us, thus turning this country from a superpower to a desolate warzone. We can stop f-16's, raptors, nimitz cruisers, Abram's, Bradleys etc etc etc with our 12-bore's...

-Burglars might enter our home. These guys aren't hardened criminals and won't expect me to have a gun. They like to make loads of noise and do not take into account the occupants of the house when planning a job. I'll be sitting awake with my gun handy, loaded and not in a locked enclosure (children never like to touch guns, so there's no need to lock it up). I'll blast that beeyach away and be a serious hero. There won't be any concequences...

-Some random country will get a fleet of ships, sail across the ocean and invade our country. The US military won't do anything and it'll be up to us to run about with our rifles to take on this invasion force that our own government isn't dealing with.

-I don't feel enough of a man, so I need a big boom-stick to compensate.


I accept that it's cool to use guns for sporting purposes. I used to regularly shoot, but the guns were secured within the gun club inside a hefty safe. There's no reason for me to have a lethal weapon in my house. Sure it'd feel good, there's nothing like the feeling of a gun in your arms, I love it personally, but it's just not needed by the general populace.

At the end of the day, nothing will ever change. No leader of yours will ever have the stones to change the rules there, just as they won't increase fuel prices or join the kyoto agreement as it'd be political suicide. It's interesting that so many of you are so supportive on all these lethal weapons going about. This thread has been quite interesting for me. I would give it 6/10.

Have a nice day.

Speaking of childish rants...

1) I'm sure if our government turned against us, people could wreak havok with random hit and run attacks.

2) If children are taught from a young age that guns are to be respected they wouldn't play with them. My grandfather has a rack of old rifles, when my dad was growing up did he play with them for fun? No. Guns are to be respected, not feared.

3) US Military < US Military + citizen soldiers

4) Nice argument, ass.

5) You have knives, don't you? Why isn't it needed? They're big bad 'boom-sticks'? Another 'logical' argument.

6) You mean the gas tax. And the Kyoto protocol would devastate the American economy. We're supportive of them because it's our right to have one. If you want to roll over and be afraid of guns, so be it, but don't you dare tell anyone else they can't have one.

P.S. - Nice post, troll.

 

[Mill]

loic2003, I'll listen to you about gun control once you go to the fvcking dentist. Don't bitch at us about gun control when half your country is going to die from freaking gun disease. Sheesh.