Why wouldn't spain's attack be the government's fault?

[Phokus]

If it was indeed Al Quaeda behind the bombing, why wouldn't it be the fault of spain's government? If Anzanar hadn't given so much support for the US invation of Iraq, would it have still happened?

Thomas Jefferson was right: "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none"

 

[aswedc]

We'll see if that view gives the Socialists a victory today in the elections. If they win, they have promised to pull Spanish troops out of Iraq. And the "coalition of the willing" will lose another - how long until Al Qaeda strikes the UK?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

 

[Dari]

Running from such a massive threat is an obvious sign of innate weakness. It would only lead to a more dangerous world.

As for what Jefferson said, he may have been right 240 odd years ago. Put the world is getting smaller and more consolidated (unions abound everywhere). Alliances are an eventuality of that.

 

[alchemize]

I bet you say the same thing about a sexily dressed girl who is raped. It's her fault.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I bet you say the same thing about a sexily dressed girl who is raped. It's her fault.

That has to be the most retarded analogy i've ever heard.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Dari
Running from such a massive threat is an obvious sign of innate weakness. It would only lead to a more dangerous world.

As for what Jefferson said, he may have been right 240 odd years ago. Put the world is getting smaller and more consolidated (unions abound everywhere). Alliances are an eventuality of that.

Thanks for not answering the question

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much. Or you could call it, 'the friend of my enemy is now my enemy' argument.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

Al Queda attacked Turkey - no? Didn't Turkey refuse access to us for troop deployment? What about Saudi Arabia - what did they do to warrant attack?

This attitude of "please don't attack me - I won't be anyone's freind you don't like - please don't attack me" is weak.

CkG

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

Al Queda attacked Turkey - no? Didn't Turkey refuse access to us for troop deployment? What about Saudi Arabia - what did they do to warrant attack?

This attitude of "please don't attack me - I won't be anyone's freind you don't like - please don't attack me" is weak.

CkG

Because Turkey and Saudi Arabia let US forces in their countries to invade iraq? It's funny how so-called conservatives are against the UN but all of a sudden, it's a good thing that we have these alliances

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

That's a pretty near-sighted view. You are absolutely correct when you say that Spain was attacked because it supported us in the Iraq war. However, I'm pretty sure that if we lose our war with terrorism, Al-Qaeda will become more emboldened and will start attacking every non-Muslim country in order to establish a new world order ruled by Islam. They'll start thinking, "Allah is with us! He helped us destroy the mighty US! That must mean He wants us to establish a new world order ruled by Islam! We can't lose with Allah on our side!"

You guys keep forgetting that other countries have been targetted by Islamic terrorists who support or are support by Al-Qaeda. Countries such as India, China, Tailand, Russia etc -- and these countries did not support the war against Iraq.

If Spain had not supported us during the Iraq war, this attack wouldn't have happened. But I personally think that's just delaying the inevitable. If we go down, Al-Qaeda would start going after others later on.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

Al Queda attacked Turkey - no? Didn't Turkey refuse access to us for troop deployment? What about Saudi Arabia - what did they do to warrant attack?

This attitude of "please don't attack me - I won't be anyone's freind you don't like - please don't attack me" is weak.

CkG

Because Turkey and Saudi Arabia let US forces in their countries to invade iraq? It's funny how conservatives are against the UN but all of a sudden, it's a good thing that we have these alliances

Huh? Are you sure? Didn't Turkey's parilment refuse to allow US troops cross Turkish territory to attack Iraq? Also, please show us S.A. let US forces into their country to invade Iraq. I don't remember that part of the build up of forces but it may be right - please show us.

It's funny how the leftists don't understand the differences between the UN and US alliances.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

Al Queda attacked Turkey - no? Didn't Turkey refuse access to us for troop deployment? What about Saudi Arabia - what did they do to warrant attack?

This attitude of "please don't attack me - I won't be anyone's freind you don't like - please don't attack me" is weak.

CkG

Because Turkey and Saudi Arabia let US forces in their countries to invade iraq? It's funny how conservatives are against the UN but all of a sudden, it's a good thing that we have these alliances

Huh? Are you sure? Didn't Turkey's parilment refuse to allow US troops cross Turkish territory to attack Iraq? Also, please show us S.A. let US forces into their country to invade Iraq. I don't remember that part of the build up of forces but it may be right - please show us.

It's funny how the leftists don't understand the differences between the UN and US alliances.

CkG

Aren't both paid for and supported by American Taxpayers?

 

[rufruf44]

Then why Al-Qeda attack Indonesia? Its a moslem country which never support US invasion of Iraq nor Israe, etc..
Lets face it, these moslem terrorist will attack anyone and everyone regardless whom they are. They don't need a reason to justify their act as long as they think Allah approved it in their twisted little minds.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Phokus
If it was indeed Al Quaeda behind the bombing, why wouldn't it be the fault of spain's government? If Anzanar hadn't given so much support for the US invation of Iraq, would it have still happened?

Thomas Jefferson was right: "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none"

If it was indeed Al Quaeda behind the bombing, why wouldn't it be the fault of spain's government?

I can only hope your joking.......

Because assuming your not that is crazy.

If Al Quaeda behind the bombing then Al Quaeda is at fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cant excuse actions based upon precieved justification thats insane

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Phokus
If it was indeed Al Quaeda behind the bombing, why wouldn't it be the fault of spain's government? If Anzanar hadn't given so much support for the US invation of Iraq, would it have still happened?

Thomas Jefferson was right: "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none"

If it was indeed Al Quaeda behind the bombing, why wouldn't it be the fault of spain's government?

I can only hope your joking.......

Because assuming your not that is crazy.

If Al Quaeda behind the bombing then Al Quaeda is at fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cant excuse actions based upon precieved justification thats insane

Since Cad has mentioned that al Qaeda has attacked Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Pakistan, India, and a host of other American allies, Phokus's real insinuation is that it is those countries fault for alligning themselves with the United States, whether or not they were against the war in Iraq. Yes, the fault is not Al Qaeda's, it's the government and, by proxy, its citizens' fault for making the wrong choice in Phokus's and al Qaeda's eyes.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is this part of the "see - they'll attack us" argument?

CkG

Pretty much.

That's a pretty dangerous position to take - is it not?

CkG

That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

Al Queda attacked Turkey - no? Didn't Turkey refuse access to us for troop deployment? What about Saudi Arabia - what did they do to warrant attack?

This attitude of "please don't attack me - I won't be anyone's freind you don't like - please don't attack me" is weak.

CkG

Because Turkey and Saudi Arabia let US forces in their countries to invade iraq? It's funny how conservatives are against the UN but all of a sudden, it's a good thing that we have these alliances

Huh? Are you sure? Didn't Turkey's parilment refuse to allow US troops cross Turkish territory to attack Iraq? Also, please show us S.A. let US forces into their country to invade Iraq. I don't remember that part of the build up of forces but it may be right - please show us.

It's funny how the leftists don't understand the differences between the UN and US alliances.

CkG

I'm a leftist? Funny coming from someone who supports the socialist nationalist policies of George Bush!

Saudi Arabia has american military as we speak. I'm not sure if they're being used in the Iraqi war right now, but they've had them since the FIRST gulf war. Turkey did eventually let the american military in (i thought anyway, someone told me they did).

Edit: An there really isn't much difference between UN and US alliances. I don't want to be dragged into ANY alliance. Now whenever one of those other countries enter in a conflict, they have leverage against us. "Well since we supported your war, you have to support ours".

 

[Romans828]

Yep its Spains fault

 

[DealMonkey]

Who else besides Aznar's government would be in a position to detect the terrorists, monitor them and ultimately prevent the attack?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Romans828
Yep its Spains fault

You know, Al Zawahiri, by far the most important character in the Al Qaeda hierachy in terms of logistics, has said that they intend to payback Spain for the lost of Andalucia.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Then why Al-Qeda attack Indonesia? Its a moslem country which never support US invasion of Iraq nor Israe, etc..
Lets face it, these moslem terrorist will attack anyone and everyone regardless whom they are. They don't need a reason to justify their act as long as they think Allah approved it in their twisted little minds.

if you follow the news you would know that they specifically targeted Australians in that attack

Australia is another lapdog of the Bush minions

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Phokus
That's funny, i see the opposite. Why should I, as a citizen, be forced to support an alliance when one of those countries is attacking another country uprovoked and exposing myself and other of my fellow citizens to harm? You don't see Al Quaeda attacking switzerland now do you?

I guess you're right. We didn't see the Nazis attacking Switzerland either

I hope this makes Spain pull out its Iraq support. We as the West would send the terrorists the tough message that their murderous actions will result in nothing but......exactly what they want

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Phokus
If it was indeed Al Quaeda behind the bombing, why wouldn't it be the fault of spain's government? If Anzanar hadn't given so much support for the US invation of Iraq, would it have still happened?

Thomas Jefferson was right: "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none"

If it was indeed Al Quaeda behind the bombing, why wouldn't it be the fault of spain's government?

I can only hope your joking.......

Because assuming your not that is crazy.

If Al Quaeda behind the bombing then Al Quaeda is at fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cant excuse actions based upon precieved justification thats insane

Since Cad has mentioned that al Qaeda has attacked Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Pakistan, India, and a host of other American allies, Phokus's real insinuation is that it is those countries fault for alligning themselves with the United States, whether or not they were against the war in Iraq. Yes, the fault is not Al Qaeda's, it's the government and, by proxy, its citizens' fault for making the wrong choice in Phokus's and al Qaeda's eyes.

:beer::beer:

CkG