Why would you feel sympathy for these asshats?

[ohtwell]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Good reason to raise the driving age to 21...let em joy ride on the bus.

That wouldn't have changed anything. The driver wasn't of legal age to drive anyway.


: ) Amanda

 

[ohtwell]

I feel sorry for the parents who have lost their children. None of the kids in the car was forced to be there, and if they had been intelligent enough to wear a seatbelt they might still be alive.


: ) Amanda

 

[DWW]

Tonight I say a prayer for those who died, who could have died and for those who were happy these individuals died. Mainly I focus my prayer on the latter. These people need it the most as our prayers may still help them.

The "gene pool cleansing" comment is so passé and predominantly held by bitter, loner-type people who spend countless hours (read: many thousand posts) on forums with their crazy views on the world that they have surrounded themselves with in their parent?s basement.

No one has nor deserves the right to decide whether it is good if someone lives or dies.

Please grow up.

 

[IGBT]

Most certainly would make driving safer overall..don't take my word ..ask any insurance company. They'll tell ya...


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Originally posted by: IGBT
Good reason to raise the driving age to 21...let em joy ride on the bus.
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That wouldn't have changed anything. The driver wasn't of legal age to drive anyway.


: ) Amanda

 

[ohtwell]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: ohtwell

Originally posted by: IGBT

Good reason to raise the driving age to 21...let em joy ride on the bus.

That wouldn't have changed anything. The driver wasn't of legal age to drive anyway.


: ) Amanda

Most certainly would make driving safer overall..don't take my word ..ask any insurance company. They'll tell ya...

In this instance it wouldn't have changed anything. I guess that's what I should have said, because I was only talking about this specific instance.


: ) Amanda

 

[adelphi]

where's al sharpton in all this? obviously a veiled lynching

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Vic
In fact, I do believe we should get rid of speed limits. God knows they're just a hidden tax anyway. Instead, just jack up the punishment/penalties for causing an accident through reckless driving. I think the same thing about DUI. Instead just dramatically increase the punishment for causing an injury accident while DUI. I've posted to this effect more than once here in the past. Because that's right, it's when you slam into someone at 80mph that is the real problem

Comments directly from the Moronsphere by way of the Stupidizone. The most important laws you're ignoring totally are a couple of Newton's laws of physics.

Two masses cannot occupy the same space at the same time. That's what causes dents and other bent metal. It has a similar effect on human bodies

A body in motion tends to remain in motion at a constant velocity and direction. That is, it takes more energy to slow down, stop, or turn out of the way of whatever's in front of you than it does to plow into it.

Most people don't have a high level awareness of the safe limits of a car in motion, especially considering varying road conditions and especially at high speeds. Even if YOU think you're a total physics and driving genius, your skill level is impared if you're fatigued, or you've been drinking, or the roads are slightly damp and slick, or hundreds of other conditions. And even if you believe YOU can compensate for that and moderate your driving under those conditons, YOU are not the only one on the road. Traffic laws are a means to set a norm for most drivers out there, not just special little YOU.

Then, there the simple fact that, for some idiots, the only thing acts as any constraint against challenging these laws is the legislative prohibition that means they could go to jail for violating both speed and DUI laws.

Too bad it didn't have that effect on those idiot kids. I don't think their death is anything to celebrate on a grand scale, but they certainly achieved the reasonably forseeable result of their own stupid conduct. They may have done the world a favor by deleting themselves from the gene pool.

And some people like to break the law just because it is the law, Harvey. And most drivers can't drive even when legal and sober. What's your point?

But hey, thanks for the insults and the pseudo physics lesson...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Vic
And some people like to break the law just because it is the law, Harvey. And most drivers can't drive even when legal and sober. What's your point?

My point is, traffic laws are necessary, whether or not you think YOU need it for YOUR driving skills and awareness. It also posts a uniform standard of driving performance so, when people do break them, there is a presumtion of uniform accountability for any civil damages they may do and equal justice under the law for violations.

Your argument that some people can't drive, even when legal and sober does not hold water. If the law can't stop them before the fact, at least they are on notice about the consequenses of violating those laws. For most rational people, that is enough to discourage random acts of temporary idiocy or ego driven bravdo. It isn't perfect, and nothing ever will be, but I prefer having the laws for the same reason I prefer having written laws against murder, rape, robbery, etc. The laws don't stop all of those crimes, either, but they help.

But hey, thanks for the insults and the pseudo physics lesson...

You're welcome for the former. The truth is, though I've never replied to any of your posts, before, I've seen much better thinking from you, and I was really disappointed in your statements.

As for the physics, there is nothing pseudo in anything I said. It isn't deep physics, but it's correct, accurate and applicable to the situation. If you really think my statements were pseudo physics, it is even more proof that too many people don't know enough about elementary physics to undestand the consequenses to themselves and, more importanly, innocent bystanders, when impared by alcohol and speeding down the highway in a couple of thousand pounds of mass.

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: Eli
Well....

I've kinda always thought that about police chases. Aren't they putting not only their own lives at risk, but the lives of the people they're now chasing AND the lives of the people the chasee may come in contact with?

I think that is a major thought when going into any car chase. They have to balance the dangers.

If they get too caught up in "getting them" without regard for safety, then I agree that they are in the wrong.

But we'll probably never know.

Read the whole article. It doesen't sound like the cop really even chased them, they sped away and then lost control all on their own.

Disregard my above comments. I don't think they got what they deserved.. especially the passengers in the car.. So sad.. 🙁

The Highway Patrol identified the dead Monday as driver John Lindsey Myers, 15, and passengers David Wayne Summers, 14, Quentin Maurice Reed, 18, Antonio Miller, 13, Domnick Hurtt, 17, Erica Stevenson, 15, and Antoinette Griffin, 13, all from Statesville.

Such a waste.

When people run from the cops I don't blame the police for chasing them, nor do I believe that the police are the ones endangering the people who are running.

 

[AkumaX]

she says "they need to blame the parents"

goooooooooooooooooooooo Darwinism!!!!

 

[Harvey]

Whether cops should chase simple speeders is one thing, but this was a stolen car so they were already dealing with a felony before the kids started running. The deaths are sad. The kids were stupid, and they own the responsiblity for the consequenses. The cops are not to blame.

 

[Vic]

Harvey, I think you missed my point. Or else how could you ever get the idea that I might be against laws against murder, rape, and robbery? Those laws IMO are the bedrock of any civilization's criminal justice.
But there is a big difference between laws that punish people for harms they have committed and laws that punish people for harm they might commit.

 

[MDE]

What kind of an idiot says, "Hey, let's drive this Intrepid with a temporary spare (which says not to go over 45 on it), with SEVEN people crammed inside and do 80-100 mph down a highway?" These people were real assets to society

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[DigDug]

Such a waste

How so? It would have been more of a waste had these nimrods lived off the system till their hair turned gray. Look at these folks - they sure as hell weren't college-bound intellects.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: DWW
Tonight I say a prayer for those who died, who could have died and for those who were happy these individuals died. Mainly I focus my prayer on the latter. These people need it the most as our prayers may still help them.

The "gene pool cleansing" comment is so passé and predominantly held by bitter, loner-type people who spend countless hours (read: many thousand posts) on forums with their crazy views on the world that they have surrounded themselves with in their parent?s basement.

No one has nor deserves the right to decide whether it is good if someone lives or dies.

Please grow up.

Well, pray what you will. "God" thought that these morons time was up also. I'm just celebrating the fact that there is a "God" that weeds out the stupid.

KK

 

[Cerb]

No license, no seat belts, stolen car...nope, can't really say I feel too sorry. If they were even just wearing seatbelts, I would. But as it is, they paid the price for being complete idiots.

 

[Yeeny]

Why would you feel sympathy for these asshats?

Because they were just stupid, and no one deserves to die like that, ever. 🙁

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Eli Well.... I've kinda always thought that about police chases. Aren't they putting not only their own lives at risk, but the lives of the people they're now chasing AND the lives of the people the chasee may come in contact with? I think that is a major thought when going into any car chase. They have to balance the dangers. If they get too caught up in "getting them" without regard for safety, then I agree that they are in the wrong. But we'll probably never know. Read the whole article. It doesen't sound like the cop really even chased them, they sped away and then lost control all on their own. Disregard my above comments. I don't think they got what they deserved.. especially the passengers in the car.. So sad.. 🙁

The Highway Patrol identified the dead Monday as driver John Lindsey Myers, 15, and passengers David Wayne Summers, 14, Quentin Maurice Reed, 18, Antonio Miller, 13, Domnick Hurtt, 17, Erica Stevenson, 15, and Antoinette Griffin, 13, all from Statesville.

Such a waste.

What do you expect to happen with the driver is 15? Did they not get into the car with him knowing he wasn't of age and didn't have a license? Did the article not say they had been doing it for awhile? It wasn't an accident... it was purely the result of stupidity. I can't feel sorry for anyone being stupid. I feel more sorry for Rex Krebs on the Cali death Row than these fools. They KNEW it was stupid to be doing what they were doing, plus they had done it before. I just pray that they burn in hell.

You pray that they burn in hell? What kind of god are you praying to?

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Amused
What upsets me the most were the parents reactions. They all were completely excusing or ignoring the fact that their children were in the commission of a felony and endangering other lives. The parents should be prosecuted for their children's crime, and deaths. Charge them with neglegent homicide and auto theft.

This I have no problem with. I mean 7 kids and not one parent to stop them? People like that shouldn't have kids. But the kids were just kids.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Amused
What upsets me the most were the parents reactions. They all were completely excusing or ignoring the fact that their children were in the commission of a felony and endangering other lives. The parents should be prosecuted for their children's crime, and deaths. Charge them with neglegent homicide and auto theft.

This I have no problem with. I mean 7 kids and not one parent to stop them? People like that shouldn't have kids. But the kids were just kids.

I think they suffered enough with the loss of their children.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Eli Well.... I've kinda always thought that about police chases. Aren't they putting not only their own lives at risk, but the lives of the people they're now chasing AND the lives of the people the chasee may come in contact with? I think that is a major thought when going into any car chase. They have to balance the dangers. If they get too caught up in "getting them" without regard for safety, then I agree that they are in the wrong. But we'll probably never know. Read the whole article. It doesen't sound like the cop really even chased them, they sped away and then lost control all on their own. Disregard my above comments. I don't think they got what they deserved.. especially the passengers in the car.. So sad.. 🙁

The Highway Patrol identified the dead Monday as driver John Lindsey Myers, 15, and passengers David Wayne Summers, 14, Quentin Maurice Reed, 18, Antonio Miller, 13, Domnick Hurtt, 17, Erica Stevenson, 15, and Antoinette Griffin, 13, all from Statesville.

Such a waste.

What do you expect to happen with the driver is 15? Did they not get into the car with him knowing he wasn't of age and didn't have a license? Did the article not say they had been doing it for awhile? It wasn't an accident... it was purely the result of stupidity. I can't feel sorry for anyone being stupid. I feel more sorry for Rex Krebs on the Cali death Row than these fools. They KNEW it was stupid to be doing what they were doing, plus they had done it before. I just pray that they burn in hell.

You <STRONG>pray</STRONG> that they <STRONG>burn in hell?</STRONG> What kind of god are you praying to?

The God of superfluousness for idiots.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Mill
I'm just incredibly upset that they probably had a painless death. I would rather them all suffered a fiery crash and been alive for hours before anyone discovered them. I've shed enough tears over the years for people that deserved them. These idiots certainly didn't. I guess I will start feeling sorry for drunk drivers now and the morons that ride with them. If you want to play Russian Roulette then go run on the interstate and lay down. It pisses me off that they tied up emergency workers for hours and probably caused a lot of people an inconvenience. They should have made the family come down there and get their bodies and have the car towed on their own dime. I hope the state sues them for reimbursement and it rains during their funeral.

Who pissed in your cheerios?

 

[Lucky]

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Unless by that you mean that you expect the media to be truthful and generally assume that they are. In which case, you both expect and assume wrong. The purpose of the media is not to report the news but to sell advertising. Take everything else with a grain of salt. "Trust... but verify."
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You know what, I'm getting sick of folkswho know nothing about the media spouting off with ridiculous crap like the sh!t posted above. Advertising and editorial divisions in newspapers are completely seperate. The only time they comingle is when it comes to pagination, where unfortunately advertisements will determine the amount of news, but certainly not content.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Unless by that you mean that you expect the media to be truthful and generally assume that they are. In which case, you both expect and assume wrong. The purpose of the media is not to report the news but to sell advertising. Take everything else with a grain of salt. "Trust... but verify."
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You know what, I'm getting sick of folkswho know nothing about the media spouting off with ridiculous crap like the sh!t posted above. Advertising and editorial divisions in newspapers are completely seperate. The only time they comingle is when it comes to pagination, where unfortunately advertisements will determine the amount of news, but certainly not content.[/quote]
Right... who pays your bosses' paycheck?

Hint: it's not the subscriptions... that's generally a small fraction of the paper's revenue (and the bigger the paper, the smaller the fraction).
Could your paper print something that was offensive to one of your major advertisers? If your circulation went down, would not your advertising revenue also go down? How do you think those 2 factors affect your paper's editorial positions?
Sounds to me like you know nothing about the media even though you work in it...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Vic
Harvey, I think you missed my point. Or else how could you ever get the idea that I might be against laws against murder, rape, and robbery? Those laws IMO are the bedrock of any civilization's criminal justice.
But there is a big difference between laws that punish people for harms they have committed and laws that punish people for harm they might commit.

I didn't miss your point. I just disagree 100%. Speeding and DUI laws set reference points for both drivers and law enforcement officers as indicators of potentially, make that probably dangerous conditions.

If a cop stops a driver who was doing 85 on a city street or weaving dangerously on the highway, or who fails a breathalizer test, or does anything else that is obviously stupid and dangerous, they are doing everyone a service by getting the idiot off the road before, rather than after they harm anyone. Check the traffic fatality stats over this long weekend, and tell us if you still disagree. If you do, I'll bet every victim, and the families of everyone killed by a drunk, stoned, or just plain stupid driver will argue with you. Reasonable prevention costs much less, in terms of both money and the resulting personal suffering and property destruction, than trying to repair the foreseeable harm from allowing it to happen before taking action.