Why would you buy an Apple tablet over an Android tablet?

[dagamer34]

If less choice is preferable, then WP7 is the clear winner. It has most of the inflexibility of iOS, and it has less apps to choose from. Win-WIN!

It's not that less choice is preferable, but more choice is not always good. Basically the Samsung approach to making phones isn't such a great idea because not all products will succeed equally.

 

[Zaap]

Like I said, if you are buying it for yourself and you are a L33t use, then, yes, those options may have some value. If we are talking about general use for 90% of the world...

There's virtually nothing that *anyone* buys -yes, including 90% of the rest of the world- where the primary consideration is based on what everyone else in the world has a use for.

These "this is better than that is better than this is more popular than that because 90% of everyone..." arguments always become such pretzels of non-logic.

 

[Zaap]

Basically the Samsung approach to making phones isn't such a great idea because not all products will succeed equally.

Eh? So?

 

[dagamer34]

Eh? So?

When you end up buying one of those products that isn't as successful, don't expect as much support for it. I would guess that it is a lot easier and faster to fix bugs and maintain the current version of Android on 3-4 phones than 20-30.

 

[Zaap]

When you end up buying one of those products that isn't as successful, don't expect as much support for it. I would guess that it is a lot easier and faster to fix bugs and maintain the current version of Android on 3-4 phones than 20-30.

A few different issues here.

I agree, it's better for a company to do 3 or 4 products well, than 20-30 half-assed.

But in the context of this discussion, the 'choices' referred to are individual product features, not a 'choice' of how many different models of phones from Samsung or whoever else. (Also, I'm not aware that Samsung has stretched itself too thin making too many model phones- they still makes among the best and most innovative models, so whatever they're doing is working.)

Even so, if I buy a top tier model from Samsung -say the Galaxy Note or SII (or III or whatever)- what do I care that Samsung also makes less expensive/successful/supported phones as well? Even if 90% of whatever else they make isn't supported the same as what I've more carefully chosen to buy from them, it has no impact on me. Unless of course I have some vested interest in cheerleading for Samsung as a company, IE: team sports.

 

[Oyeve]

What about carrier bloat? My fascinate had 2 PAGES of shit apps on it, with no way to delete without rooting.

Then simply do not use it. I never understood the bitching about preinstalled apps. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to use any app that came with the device.

 

[slackerinabox]

Then simply do not use it. I never understood the bitching about preinstalled apps. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to use any app that came with the device.

Wow, a post in support of carrier bloat? Who's the sheep now?

 

[Steelbom]

Why? I know what I'm getting and I like it.

The iPad is very smooth, uniform, and there's an abundant amount of apps for it. On top of that, I'm already invested in the iTunes ecosystem, and the things that Android does do better than iOS isn't enough to make me switch and nor does it outweigh the benefits of iOS for me.

My family also all has Macs, iDevices and an Apple TV, and since we all use the same Apple ID, which means we're able to use any apps, books, tv shows, music, etc., that the other buys, it just makes sense.

I've a few gripes about Android (and iOS too) but overall I like the latest version (ICS) quite a bit. Looking forward to iOS 6 too.

 

[MotionMan]

Then simply do not use it. I never understood the bitching about preinstalled apps. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to use any app that came with the device.

Some people do not like screen clutter or to waste space on apps they do not want.

MotionMan

 

[Oyeve]

Wow, a post in support of carrier bloat? Who's the sheep now?

I dont support carrier bloat at all. I just find the argument on whether to get a particular product based on this assinine especially when you have a choice to not use it. I have a droid razr and a sgs2 and both came with bloatware but I dont use it, it doesnt detract that these are good products, it didnt sway me on chossing them. Just dont use or update them. Or, root if it really bugs you. For me the fact that I HAVE to use certain software like itunes to use an idevice properly is what pisses me off and makes me make a choice to not use them. But for something that doesnt force you to use it, like carrier bloatware, is not a deciding factor in my choice. Forcing you to use it is a different issue.

 

[Red Storm]

Some people do not like screen clutter or to waste space on apps they do not want.

This is true. iOS devices and non-Nexus Android devices both have it, whether it's from the carrier (VZ Navigator, VZ apps) or from the manufacturer (Newsstand, Stocks, Game Center, Blur/Sense/Touchwiz bloat, etc.). However, I'm at the point where I simply don't care anymore, as long as I have an option to hide these unwanted things I'm good to go.

I dont support carrier bloat at all. I just find the argument on whether to get a particular product based on this assinine especially when you have a choice to not use it. I have a droid razr and a sgs2 and both came with bloatware but I dont use it, it doesnt detract that these are good products, it didnt sway me on chossing them. Just dont use or update them. Or, root if it really bugs you. For me the fact that I HAVE to use certain software like itunes to use an idevice properly is what pisses me off and makes me make a choice to not use them. But for something that doesnt force you to use it, like carrier bloatware, is not a deciding factor in my choice. Forcing you to use it is a different issue.

I agree, but one thing I've noticed with my Razr Maxx is that the phone never seems to keep my default app selections. Like if I highlight an address in the browser and set Maps as my default program to open, it still always asks if I want to use Maps or VZ Navigator. I'm suspecting Verizon has something to do with this crappy behavior.

 

[slackerinabox]

I dont support carrier bloat at all. I just find the argument on whether to get a particular product based on this assinine especially when you have a choice to not use it. I have a droid razr and a sgs2 and both came with bloatware but I dont use it, it doesnt detract that these are good products, it didnt sway me on chossing them. Just dont use or update them. Or, root if it really bugs you. For me the fact that I HAVE to use certain software like itunes to use an idevice properly is what pisses me off and makes me make a choice to not use them. But for something that doesnt force you to use it, like carrier bloatware, is not a deciding factor in my choice. Forcing you to use it is a different issue.

Our fascinate was locked to use bing and every attempt to change the default search engine was reverted back to bing. Plus TWO PAGES Of useless apps, some running 24/7 in the background effecting performance and a major source of clutter too (you could not remove the apps). I think it's ridiculous to say bloat is something that's not a big deal. TO YOU, it's not, but it's damn frustrating to me. Ugly, takes up space on my 'desktop,' processes running in the background sucks battery life, and being forced to use bing is absolutely atrocious (as an example)..

And why is iTunes nerd kryptonite? I remember back in the zune days people praising how they prefer the zune because they don't have to use itunes, while Zune desktop (was) a crash happy, bloated mess. It seems to be a legacy complaint, nerds just blindly hating everything apple so they have to make a big point of apple's evil insistence on using iTunes. BIG DEAL. iTunes back in 2001 might have been a bit resource heavy but I just don't get what's so wrong with it these days. In fact, I hate dragging and dropping straight to sd because so many mp3s are mistagged -I prefer cleaning things up in iTunes then syncing. Of course, it's all about preference but I just don't see how being forced to use iTunes for music management is such a huge deal. Quicktime, however, sucks.

 

[alent1234]

if you don't spend hours doing monkey work like "managing" your music or looking through a few hundred folders to find the songs you want to manually copy to your device you're not cool

 

[Red Storm]

if you don't spend hours doing monkey work like "managing" your music or looking through a few hundred folders to find the songs you want to manually copy to your device you're not cool

Google Music says hello. That's what I like about Android, I have the choice to do what I want, not be forced to do what the manufacturer wants.

 

[Oyeve]

Our fascinate was locked to use bing and every attempt to change the default search engine was reverted back to bing. Plus TWO PAGES Of useless apps, some running 24/7 in the background effecting performance and a major source of clutter too (you could not remove the apps). I think it's ridiculous to say bloat is something that's not a big deal. TO YOU, it's not, but it's damn frustrating to me. Ugly, takes up space on my 'desktop,' processes running in the background sucks battery life, and being forced to use bing is absolutely atrocious (as an example)..

And why is iTunes nerd kryptonite? I remember back in the zune days people praising how they prefer the zune because they don't have to use itunes, while Zune desktop (was) a crash happy, bloated mess. It seems to be a legacy complaint, nerds just blindly hating everything apple so they have to make a big point of apple's evil insistence on using iTunes. BIG DEAL. iTunes back in 2001 might have been a bit resource heavy but I just don't get what's so wrong with it these days. In fact, I hate dragging and dropping straight to sd because so many mp3s are mistagged -I prefer cleaning things up in iTunes then syncing. Of course, it's all about preference but I just don't see how being forced to use iTunes for music management is such a huge deal. Quicktime, however, sucks.

Two pages of useless apps? You had 32 preloaded apps? Really? I find that hard to believe. And I hate using any SW for devices, not just apple and itunes. I remember musicmatch jukebox for the pc and the ipod. That was horrendous.

 

[Red Storm]

Two pages of useless apps? You had 32 preloaded apps? Really? I find that hard to believe. And I hate using any SW for devices, not just apple and itunes. I remember musicmatch jukebox for the pc and the ipod. That was horrendous.

My Razr Maxx had so many pre-installed junk apps I can safely it was greater than or equal to ~30. I was able to uninstall several of them, but not them all.

 

[Oyeve]

if you don't spend hours doing monkey work like "managing" your music or looking through a few hundred folders to find the songs you want to manually copy to your device you're not cool

Poweramp on android does it for me and my music. But, even if it didnt I could easily find where it is. I just connect my gadget to any computer, even a mac, and copy it to a file that I created. Its really not rocket science or nerdy.

 

[Oyeve]

My Razr Maxx had so many pre-installed junk apps I can safely it was greater than or equal to ~30. I was able to uninstall several of them, but not them all.

I am looking at my stock razr and count a total of 16 including stuff like my account and my files, which are not, IMO, bloatware. most, if not ALL, of the preloaded crap on it is not running in the background because I havent clicked on accept or get started.

 

[Red Storm]

I am looking at my stock razr and count a total of 16 including stuff like my account and my files, which are not, IMO, bloatware. most, if not ALL, of the preloaded crap on it is not running in the background because I havent clicked on accept or get started.

I didn't say they were running in the background, just that they are there. Again, it's not that big of an issue for me, I just hide them and forget about them.

 

[Ns1]

 

[Red Storm]

I count ~29 things that don't need to be there in Ns1's photos above.

 

[Oyeve]

I count ~29 things that don't need to be there in Ns1's photos above.

I count 19. But, yeah, every phone has bloat, even iphones. VZW has more than most.

 

[Ns1]

But, yeah, every phone has bloat, even iphones.

I'll bite, what?

 

[AznAnarchy99]

The iPad 3 is way better than any Android tablet I've seen out so far and I dont own any apple products.

 

[Zaap]

Of course, it's all about preference but I just don't see how being forced to use iTunes for music management is such a huge deal. Quicktime, however, sucks.

For me -beyond the fact that I hate iTunes for several reasons- it's part of the attitude from Apple I hate that pretends there's no need to access a mobile device's file system directly.

I've outlined before how this silly attitude makes things like Dropbox practically useless on iOS, whereas it's a great file transfer tool on Android.

I do a much better job of managing my own music files (which is easy, and actually faster than using iTunes) so why would I want to be forced to use something I consider subpar?

Every bit as much as you view iTunes to be geek kryptonite, I view it to be fanboi pablum.