Why would I even consider buying an ipad, ipod or iphone?

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Looks real pretty. Have the working conditions at the plant in question changed or improved? It seems a lot of folks want to make this about me rather than about conditions at the mfg facility. For the record I have not abused workers I merely asked a few questions. I suppose I chose the wrong forum. Unless you praise all things Apple here the hammer will come down on ya

No one is targeting you. But you came in here targeting Apple specifically without mentioning other companies that use the same manufacturing plants.

Yes the conditions are bad. No one is disagreeing with you. Yes Apple is trying to help fix those issues. Apple is doing a lot better than the other companies. But when you look at all the manufacturing plants in China (where most are located), the Foxconn plant have better conditions than the others.

That is what we're trying to say. But the tone of your original post made it seem like you were trying to pick a fight.

 

[accguy9009]

No one is targeting you. But you came in here targeting Apple specifically without mentioning other companies that use the same manufacturing plants.

Yes the conditions are bad. No one is disagreeing with you. Yes Apple is trying to help fix those issues. Apple is doing a lot better than the other companies. But when you look at all the manufacturing plants in China (where most are located), the Foxconn plant have better conditions than the others.

That is what we're trying to say. But the tone of your original post made it seem like you were trying to pick a fight.

Can you show me any support that substantiates that Apple has helped improve conditions at the plant? It seems most here objected to me mentioning that the conditions existed

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Can you show me any support that substantiates that Apple has helped improve conditions at the plant? It seems most here objected to me mentioning that the conditions existed

Did you look at the link I sent you? There are pdfs there that show what they've been doing.

http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/auditing-compliance.html

 

[TheWart]

Did you look at the link I sent you? There are pdfs there that show what they've been doing.

http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/auditing-compliance.html

I doubt he read it...trolls have a hard time reading such long documents in the poor light under the bridge.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

With the hellish working conditions at Foxconn's Shenzen plant that builds Apple's iPads, iPods, and iPhones why would I give Apple or Foxconn even a penny of my $? I wonder if the politically correct crowd would be so quick to buy little Jonny or lil Sally a new mac either if they knew about the horrible working conditions that Apples vendors provide?

I do and refuse to support Apple with any of my $. Apple has huge margins on much of its hardware, is sitting on a virtual mountain of cash and its stock values are at record highs. Now maybe we know why.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18428

If you deny Apple your money because of this, you had better be denying Microsoft, HP, Sony, and Dell your money, too.

I'd bet you don't. You, along with everyone else are jumping on the Apple hate bandwagon. Either hate all companies equally based on your reasoning or stop sharing your flawed opinion.

Oh, and learn to read your own thread before you bull-headedly defend your position when facts are presented that refute all your points.

 

[VinylxScratches]

Then don't?

 

[PCTC2]

The link ChAoTiCpInOy posted clear shows at least an effort to improve conditions by Apple audits of contractors and suppliers.

Also, If I threw out every piece of hardware that had at least one Foxconn component on it, I wouldn't have too many computers left. That's a fact. And I only have 3 Macs and an iPod and iPhone. The rest are all other manufacturers. I'm a small business owner and a Systems Administrator. You can stop buying Foxconn products if you want, but I'll keep on buying them because I need to so I can put food on my table to feed my family. Look inside your computer. I bet you'll see a Foxconn component somewhere in there.

 

[accguy9009]

I just realized I must have been the smoke monster throughout this whole thread and I just figured that out

 

[Capt Caveman]

I just realized I must have been the smoke monster throughout this whole thread and I just figured that out

Where are you other threads denouncing Intel, HP, Dell, Microsoft, Sony and other companies that use Foxconn? I'm guessing you own products from those companiesl

 

[accguy9009]

The death count is now at 8 year to date. All OEMS that use this facility, and I have been informed that Intel, Dell, HP and no doubt others use the huge conglomerate that owns Foxconn, need to join together and ask Foxconns parent Company to improve working conditions. Additionally other mfg., facilities owned by other organizations that maintain similar work environments need to change also. At this point it doesn't matter who said what first to whom. People are being abused and people have been beaten and folks are dying.

The only way I know how to do my small part is to try to let people know what is going on.
If more people were aware of these conditions I feel change would be brought about more rapidly. I wouldn't buy from a pet store that I knew sold dogs bred in a puppy mill. People protest outside these stores and rightfully so. I don't claim to have all the answers or even an effective solution. However, $ talks. People are dying folks, saying everybody is doing it doesn't make it right. Let your big box retail corporate public relations people know how you feel. If you own a small business, when and where you can, buy from companies who have a better track record on this issue. If you buy direct from OEMS like Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer etc., let them know you are aware of these issues and ask them what they are doing
to be part of the solution. This abuse won't stop overnight. But these work conditions could
be improved faster if more people spoke out against these practices. it is wrong for textile and shoe co's to operate this way. It is wrong for the tech world as well. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18471

 

[accguy9009]

Where are you other threads denouncing Intel, HP, Dell, Microsoft, Sony and other companies that use Foxconn? I'm guessing you own products from those companiesl

That thread is right here, mate.

 

[accguy9009]

Did you look at the link I sent you? There are pdfs there that show what they've been doing.

http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/auditing-compliance.html

The pdfs you kindly posted not withstanding, and despite no doubt the OEMS best intentions, this issue appears to be on going. I doubt not that Co's who allegedly use this facility like Sony, Intel, HP, Dell etc., have company reps on site frequently if not on a daily basis. They know, or should know what the conditions are like at this and other plants. It is time to stop pointing the finger at the other guy and say this is acceptable behavior since everyone is doing it. It is not right to maintain these work conditions or to continue beating staffers or media members. Please open your eyes and ears and mouths and do something about this matter even if it is a pathetic effort like this one here of mine. These deceased folks have children and parents.

 

[DnetMHZ]

This will have zero impact on my decision to buy a product from Apple or anyone else. Maybe that makes me a terrible heartless person, but I just don't care.

 

[accguy9009]

Lots of people died building the Panama canal, will you only buy products shipped via a different route?

Same old song and dance, eh mate?

Sigh......

 

[Ns1]

That thread is right here, mate.

And yet, the OP still only calls out Apple


threadfail

 

[accguy9009]

And yet, the OP still only calls out Apple


threadfail

"The death count is now at 8 year to date. All OEMS that use this facility, and I have been informed that Intel, Dell, HP and no doubt others use the huge conglomerate that owns Foxconn, need to join together and ask Foxconns parent Company to improve working conditions. Additionally other mfg., facilities owned by other organizations that maintain similar work environments need to change also. At this point it doesn't matter who said what first to whom. People are being abused and people have been beaten and folks are dying.

The only way I know how to do my small part is to try to let people know what is going on.
If more people were aware of these conditions I feel change would be brought about more rapidly. I wouldn't buy from a pet store that I knew sold dogs bred in a puppy mill. People protest outside these stores and rightfully so. I don't claim to have all the answers or even an effective solution. However, $ talks. People are dying folks, saying everybody is doing it doesn't make it right. Let your big box retail corporate public relations people know how you feel. If you own a small business, when and where you can, buy from companies who have a better track record on this issue. If you buy direct from OEMS like Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer etc., let them know you are aware of these issues and ask them what they are doing
to be part of the solution. This abuse won't stop overnight. But these work conditions could
be improved faster if more people spoke out against these practices. it is wrong for textile and shoe co's to operate this way. It is wrong for the tech world as well. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims."

Can't you read mate? or maybe you choose not to.

 

[accguy9009]

And yet, the OP still only calls out Apple


threadfail

"The pdfs you kindly posted not withstanding, and despite no doubt the OEMS best intentions, this issue appears to be on going. I doubt not that Co's who allegedly use this facility like Sony, Intel, HP, Dell etc., have company reps on site frequently if not on a daily basis. They know, or should know what the conditions are like at this and other plants. It is time to stop pointing the finger at the other guy and say this is acceptable behavior since everyone is doing it. It is not right to maintain these work conditions or to continue beating staffers or media members. Please open your eyes and ears and mouths and do something about this matter even if it is a pathetic effort like this one here of mine. These deceased folks have children and parents".

Did I even mention Apple by name here? Try reading my posts before opening your mouth.
I have clearly called for all OEMS to become part of the solution here a number of times.

 

[Ns1]

Did I even mention Apple by name here? Try reading my posts before opening your mouth.
I have clearly called for all OEMS to become part of the solution here a number of times.

With the hellish working conditions at Foxconn's Shenzen plant that builds Apple's iPads, iPods, and iPhones why would I give Apple or Foxconn even a penny of my $? I wonder if the politically correct crowd would be so quick to buy little Jonny or lil Sally a new mac either if they knew about the horrible working conditions that Apples vendors provide?

So on and so forth.

Let's be real here - the only reason you created this thread was to call out apple, as specifically noted NUMEROUS TIMES in your OP + title. After several members call you out on this, you try to weasel out of it by saying "this is the thread"

You didn't call out other OEM's until post 35. You were called out on post 2.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

"The death count is now at 8 year to date. All OEMS that use this facility, and I have been informed that Intel, Dell, HP and no doubt others use the huge conglomerate that owns Foxconn, need to join together and ask Foxconns parent Company to improve working conditions. Additionally other mfg., facilities owned by other organizations that maintain similar work environments need to change also. At this point it doesn't matter who said what first to whom. People are being abused and people have been beaten and folks are dying.

The only way I know how to do my small part is to try to let people know what is going on.
If more people were aware of these conditions I feel change would be brought about more rapidly. I wouldn't buy from a pet store that I knew sold dogs bred in a puppy mill. People protest outside these stores and rightfully so. I don't claim to have all the answers or even an effective solution. However, $ talks. People are dying folks, saying everybody is doing it doesn't make it right. Let your big box retail corporate public relations people know how you feel. If you own a small business, when and where you can, buy from companies who have a better track record on this issue. If you buy direct from OEMS like Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer etc., let them know you are aware of these issues and ask them what they are doing
to be part of the solution. This abuse won't stop overnight. But these work conditions could
be improved faster if more people spoke out against these practices. it is wrong for textile and shoe co's to operate this way. It is wrong for the tech world as well. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims."

Can't you read mate? or maybe you choose not to.

You're right, let's gather a mob and catapult ourselves at the corporate buildings of these OEMs. If they won't do something to improve the conditions that caused these 8 suicides, we'll kill ourselves to prove how strongly we feel they should.

I don't see any other threads about any of the other manufacturers or the products they make in these factories. Without changing your OP, moving the thread, or posting different threads to address the other companies, this is still an Apple call-out thread. You still look like a douche.

 

[accguy9009]

You're right, let's gather a mob and catapult ourselves at the corporate buildings of these OEMs. If they won't do something to improve the conditions that caused these 8 suicides, we'll kill ourselves to prove how strongly we feel they should.

I don't see any other threads about any of the other manufacturers or the products they make in these factories. Without changing your OP, moving the thread, or posting different threads to address the other companies, this is still an Apple call-out thread. You still look like a douche.

I don't need to create a number of different threads on this. We had computers before Foxconn and if they went out of business the stuff they make will be built by other mfgs. Foxxcon isn't known for its design capabilities, it is known for its ability to mfg, to spec. They squeeze the workforce mightily and get stuff built on the super cheap. Others are known for doing the same.

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. And I am just the guy to do it.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

I don't need to create a number of different threads on this. We had computers before Foxconn and if they went out of business the stuff they make will be built by other mfgs. Foxxcon isn't known for its design capabilities, it is known for its ability to mfg, to spec. They squeeze the workforce mightily and get stuff built on the super cheap. Others are known for doing the same.

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. And I am just the guy to do it.

Change your OP to reflect your change of opinion.

Why would I even consider buying an ipad, ipod or iphone?

With the hellish working conditions at Foxconn's Shenzen plant that builds Apple's iPads, iPods, and iPhones why would I give Apple or Foxconn even a penny of my $? I wonder if the politically correct crowd would be so quick to buy little Jonny or lil Sally a new mac either if they knew about the horrible working conditions that Apples vendors provide?

I do and refuse to support Apple with any of my $. Apple has huge margins on much of its hardware, is sitting on a virtual mountain of cash and its stock values are at record highs. Now maybe we know why.

If you still refuse to buy Apple products, but not Intel, Sony, Foxconn, etc. then you need to stop talking bullshit and take action.

 

[sourceninja]

If their country is ok with it, then I'm ok with it. If their people are not ok with it they should force their government to fix it.

 

[MotionMan]

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[accguy9009]

"The only thing worse than having a steadfast bias is denying you have a steadfast bias." MotionMan, ATATA

MotionMan

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get me

 

[MotionMan]

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get me

Um, OK.

MotionMan