Why would anyone go AMD?

[klah]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

what thread was the above comments taken from?

It's one of the oldest /. trolls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...dot_trolling_phenomena

seemed fitting here.

 

[fishmonger12]

95% of problems are PEBKAC

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I want to thank everyone for their replies especially:

dapunisher
mloot
shimmishim
mechbgon

But to certain people - you cant handle the truth!!!

What I said is gospel, and because I said it, you get all enraged and post emotional drivel. Shame on you! Especially markfw900. We all know he is nothing but a trollish threadcrapper wannabe.

Carry on...

Do you even read what you write? I mean give me a break, it all comes back to the end user.... I don't get all fanboy on you cuz I own an AMD, I admit the Intel does have their good things, HT for example. But I'm running in 64bit windows, and it's much more responsive and even loads up faster than the P4 3.2 I have sitting next to me. Their are 64bit games coming out now, take Shadow Ops: Red Mercury for example, they have been able to inhance the engine so much with the extra registers, check this http://www.atari.com/shadowops/us/amd.html And Frankly I'm disgusted by your flat out ignorant and stupid posts, and I'm only 14.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Q. Why would anyone go AMD?

A. For a list of reasons

1. faster
2. less expensive (from low end to mid range to high end)
3. just as stable

Taking a look back at the most recent entry level, mid range, high end, and overclocking guides here on AT, EVERY recomendation has been for AMD, and whenever we do see a recomendation for Intel it is as an alternative.

Entry recomendation is: AMD
Entry alternative is: AMD

Midrange recomendation is: AMD
Midrange alternative is: Intel

Highend recomendation is: AMD
Highend alternative is: Intel

Overclocker PERFORMANCE recomendation is: AMD
Overclocker PERFORMANCE alternative is: Intel

And Intel almost didn't make it as the alternative

This month, it was particularly difficult to decide between the Single-Channel Socket 754 Athlon 64 and the new Intel Socket 775 for the Performance Overclocking alternative.

Overclocker VALUE recomendation is: AMD
Overclocker VALUE alternative is: AMD

So I guess 7 of the 10 recomended systems being AMD is really bad information and we should all boycott Anandtech for such misleading suggestions.

Quoted for truth.

- M4H

 

[cbehnken]

Hey Felix, don't you think if AMDs failure rates were so high there would be at least one legit source documenting it?

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Q. Why would anyone go AMD?

A. For a list of reasons

1. faster
2. less expensive (from low end to mid range to high end)
3. just as stable

Taking a look back at the most recent entry level, mid range, high end, and overclocking guides here on AT, EVERY recomendation has been for AMD, and whenever we do see a recomendation for Intel it is as an alternative.

Entry recomendation is: AMD
Entry alternative is: AMD

Midrange recomendation is: AMD
Midrange alternative is: Intel

Highend recomendation is: AMD
Highend alternative is: Intel

Overclocker PERFORMANCE recomendation is: AMD
Overclocker PERFORMANCE alternative is: Intel

And Intel almost didn't make it as the alternative

This month, it was particularly difficult to decide between the Single-Channel Socket 754 Athlon 64 and the new Intel Socket 775 for the Performance Overclocking alternative.

Overclocker VALUE recomendation is: AMD
Overclocker VALUE alternative is: AMD

So I guess 7 of the 10 recomended systems being AMD is really bad information and we should all boycott Anandtech for such misleading suggestions.

Quoted for truth.

- M4H

M4H >>> FelixDaCat

 

[clarkey01]

ARISE MY FELLOW AMD FANS


ARISE ! TO THE END ............CHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEE



why is this thread still going on ?

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Ive delt with 100s of P4s and a few AMDs the past couple of years. The two AMDs either crapped out immediatley with a some aggressive overclocking and one pentium was DOA (hyperthreading didnt work).

Now, you might be thinking, "Wait just a damn minute - you said 100s of P4s and two AMDs - does that mean you broke 100s or what?"

No Pedro. I have bought and sold them and most were pretested prior to shipping to check for DOA. One AMD was a 1700+ on a Iwill board that went tits up with the chip. Another was 1800+ I gave to my nephew that lasted about 18 months at stock. Yes AMD cheerfully RMAd them but damn! 100% failure rate of chips and a few boards.

Sure Ill bet if I had been dealing with 100s of AMDs (which believe me there is a alot of demand for and money is money no matter which chip it comes from) the statistical failure rate would have been alot lower.

But why bother?

Oh I know why - all your friends are buying them and all the benchies claim this that and the other.

Well I say phooey on that. I like reliability and stability, and the ability to take a good overclocking for a prolonged period of time.

Well, maybe your problem is that you are using an Iwill motherboard with that AMD chip. Last I knew, Iwill was crap. What chipset did it have?

Also, you had a 1700+ and 1800+...could they possibly be palominos? If they were, that's why they didn't handle the overclock well. They don't overclock very much to begin with, generally speaking, with some exceptions. As for the 1800+ that you ran at stock for a year and a half...what board and chipset was it paired with?

I've owned different intel and amd setups before, and my story is almost opposite of yours. My Pentium II and Pentium III systems were always unstable. That was a long time ago though. I upgraded from the p3 rig to an Asrock board that was very similar to the ECS K7S5A paired with a palomino 1600+. Rock stable for three years until I upgraded to a barton 2500+ and Epox 8RDA3. Rock stable with that as well, although the overclock was limited to 200mhz over stock. I upgraded after a while to a mobile 2500+, and that was nice
I've been playing with mobiles ever since. Order them online, test their abilities, then give em to friends. Finally stopped after around 8-10 mobiles and settled with a 35w 2400+. No stability issues at all.

Not sure what happened in your case, or mine. All I know is that each chip has its issues, as well as the chipsets that go with the chip. Your observation about there being more A64 complaints on this forum than Intel is a bit skewed, though. Surely you must realize that, this board being full of enthusiasts and loyal Anand readers, that many more people here own A64s than Intels, so there's not enough information to pull to suggest that A64s have a higher complaint rate than Intels. What you'd need to do is make a dual question poll, one for intel users and one for amd users, asking if they've had problems with stability or not. That would give you a more accurate idea.

 

[Zap]

p4 emergency edition

LOL, CaiNaM, I haven't heard that one before. Gotta remember it...

Well, maybe your problem is that you are using an Iwill motherboard with that AMD chip. Last I knew, Iwill was crap. What chipset did it have?

Actually I think IWill had some good KT133A chipset boards. What were those... forgot but I remember a friend having one and he got great overclocks, back in the day.

I still build AMD on the low end, and yes quality has improved thanks to the nVidia.

This sounds like an admission that the motherboards were responsible for overall system quality, or lack thereof.

Well I say phooey on that. I like reliability and stability, and the ability to take a good overclocking for a prolonged period of time.

Ever heard of SNDS? Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome? This was a real problem with P4 chips.

:beer: Well, let's drink up to both AMD and Intel. Without one the other would be a big greedy corporation and we wouldn't be having this discussion today.

As a buddy of mine is fond of saying, "I don't fall in love with hardware." (Of course I'm quoting out of context here since he isn't referring to being an AMDroid or an Intelvert. He is referring to his practice of selling parts out of his system to anyone giving him a good cash offer at the drop of a hat.)

 

[Drayvn]

Ok uve sold 100s of P4s so that could be up to 900.

How many of them crapped out on u?

2 AMDs, very old AMDS too, on an old core, then u stop, hmm interesting.

So its like saying ive sold hundreds of BMWs but the first Mercedes i sold broke down right outside the door so i hate Mercedes.

Very good observation, i suppose ur now gonna say none of the P4s u bought didnt crap out on u, which i doubt.

Also if u know the business, and i know lots of ppl know the business of Computer Hardware.

Most of the problems arise from COMPATIBILITY issues, not the specific hardware, or it arises from when u start voiding the warranty by doing something the hardware isnt supposed to... like overclocking it. So its not AMDs fault if u do that, its urs.

 

[fsstrike]

From my personal experience, Intel is more stable than AMD. I have owned many Intels, and rarely ever do they crash for no reason. In fact, I cannot ever recall my last P4 1.5 crashing or getting the blue screen of death. Never, has it happened. On my AMD (stock) I have had the blue screen on death 2 times in less than 1 month from first buying it. Some of my other friends and cousins who have owned AMDs have had similar problems at some points. Id still choose AMD any day over Intel, but im not going to lie to myself that AMD is as reliable as Intel (IN MY OWN PERSONAL EXPIRiENCE ONLY).

P.S. I still love AMD.

 

[Ironmanstl]

I have always went with intel for my last 5-6 comps.
I mainly use my system for playing games.

I have seen amd go up and down over the years, and now I feel they have a quality product which suits my needs.
And there is no denying it, amd simple beats intel at gaming comparing similar cpus.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: fishmonger12
95% of problems are PEBKAC

fixed your link,pehaps a pebkac problem?

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Ive delt with 100s of P4s and a few AMDs the past couple of years. The two AMDs either crapped out immediatley with a some aggressive overclocking and one pentium was DOA (hyperthreading didnt work).

Now, you might be thinking, "Wait just a damn minute - you said 100s of P4s and two AMDs - does that mean you broke 100s or what?"

No Pedro. I have bought and sold them and most were pretested prior to shipping to check for DOA. One AMD was a 1700+ on a Iwill board that went tits up with the chip. Another was 1800+ I gave to my nephew that lasted about 18 months at stock. Yes AMD cheerfully RMAd them but damn! 100% failure rate of chips and a few boards.

Sure Ill bet if I had been dealing with 100s of AMDs (which believe me there is a alot of demand for and money is money no matter which chip it comes from) the statistical failure rate would have been alot lower.

But why bother?

Oh I know why - all your friends are buying them and all the benchies claim this that and the other.

Well I say phooey on that. I like reliability and stability, and the ability to take a good overclocking for a prolonged period of time.

I've owned a P166 MXX, 433 Celeron, a P3 500, a 1Ghz Athlon Tbird, and a P4 2.4C. All systems, except the P166 were equally stable. The P166 was scrapped together with whatever parts I could find in my price range, ie free. Wasn't exactly a stable rig.

Given current trends, I will most likely upgrade my P4 2.4C to some sort of Athlon 64.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I want to thank everyone for their replies especially:

dapunisher
mloot
shimmishim
mechbgon

But to certain people - you cant handle the truth!!!

What I said is gospel, and because I said it, you get all enraged and post emotional drivel. Shame on you! Especially markfw900. We all know he is nothing but a trollish threadcrapper wannabe.

Carry on...

Do you even read what you write? I mean give me a break, it all comes back to the end user.... I don't get all fanboy on you cuz I own an AMD, I admit the Intel does have their good things, HT for example. But I'm running in 64bit windows, and it's much more responsive and even loads up faster than the P4 3.2 I have sitting next to me. Their are 64bit games coming out now, take Shadow Ops: Red Mercury for example, they have been able to inhance the engine so much with the extra registers, check this http://www.atari.com/shadowops/us/amd.html And Frankly I'm disgusted by your flat out ignorant and stupid posts, and I'm only 14.

Only 14 eh? :roll:

14 year olds dont get disgusted, they get sent to bed without din din. To you, anything and everything is flat out stupid and ignorant.

Cheer up though as one day youll grow out of your teenage angst and learn how to post like a man.