Why would anyone buy AMD right now?

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Guys...Felix has been making threads like this for years....just ignore him.

Well, I could recollect about 1000 threads earlier this year about "Why anyone would want to buy a Intel rig". Though I think the thread ended after it's 3rd or 4th reply. Lots of love and support for Intel I suppose.

That is so true. And it pains us all to admit we were once smitten with Advanced Micro.

Long live mighty Intel.

o shaddup, speak for yourself

:lips:

:laugh:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Frackal
LOL, "a hair"

That's a fanboy for ya :laugh:

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: betasub
Please don't feed the troll.

- R

Changing what someone else wrote proves your ignorance.

Anyone ever notice how much trolls hate to be called trolls? So, how do you like it when someone does the same to you?

 

[hans007]

i think generally since they are real cheap.

theres some AMD based values out there that are worth buying. my friend just got an athlon x2 3800+ and radon express 200 ecs board at frys for $159. sure you could get an 820 or 805 based combo for less even, but the 3800+ is a better performer and uses less power. not to mention with the currentl high prices of ddr2 he could reuse all his old ddr400 ram.

i have no idea why anyone would buy an AM2 system though since you'd basically have to be starting from scratch for that, and it would be pointless unless it was basically dirt cheap. and at the dirt cheap level you could probably still get a pentium D 915 since they are dirt cheap now as well.



at the very low end, a sempron or something is better than a celeron D, but i cant see this being a big deal. i suppose low end gaming you'd go AMD also.

 

[Makaveli]

This thread is a waste of time, The fact that u would even mention a celeron says it all.

Flame on!

 

[VooDooAddict]

If Core 2 Chips started at @ $75 and decent motherboards could be had for around $75 then yes I'd see little reason to go with AMD. There are many people out there who need extremely budget gaming rigs. The 939 platform is well proven and can allow many who are upgrading for access to PCIe (coming from early P4 and AthlonXP) to use thier existing DDR400 or DDR333 RAM.

AMD 3000+ 939 @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537

MSI mATX Nforce 6100 Motherboard @$55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130041

Saphire X1300XT (New Version Identical to X1600Pro with lower Price Tag) @ $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102048
or
eVGA 7600GT @ @125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130054

$190 or $240 + Shipping and Someone can gave a proven Gaming Platform that can run most games comfortably at the very common 17" and 19" LCD rez of 1280x1024 (no-AA, no-AF). I would certainly push people towards the 7600GT if it fit thier budget... but for most people either of the above setups would do.

Sure if they need to buy new RAM you could put them into the AM2 platform for near the same price + the cost of RAM. And yes... you could put them into a C2D compatable platform using a cheap Celeron D planning to upgrade to a C2D when funds were available. The problem I have is that I see the Celeron D as just a bandaid. An Athlon 3000+ could be a final solution for many gamers.

If someone has the budget for C2D + DDR2 Ram I see almost no reason to go with a 939 or AM2 system. More available SLI board options would be the only reason I could fathom. (Curious if there are other reasons ... hense my participation in the thread)

 

[hans007]

well there are reasonably usedul core 2 boards for $49 now. well there is that one ECS k8m890 one that is $49 and had ddr1 and ddr 2 single channel and x16 slot (though its supposedly a pretty fast chipset). if there were say a core 2 duo 6200 for say $100, i'd say it would be a no brainer. but as it is now, you'd have to pair the board with some pentium D junk.

i think amd really makes sense in the sub $150 cpu range. but thats about it. and for upgraders who have a ddr400 ram and say 2gb of it. or lots of IDE devices (since the intel 965 boards only have 1 ide port)

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

Yeah maybe they can go work at Advanced Micro. :roll:

 

[KeithTalent]

I built my AM2 system recently and the reasons for it were price and choice of parts. I did not like any of the mobos available at the time for Conroe (still don't) and I particularly did not like their inflated prices.

When I upgrade next year (most likely) I will look at all these same factors again and base my purchases on that; whether it be AMD or Intel I really don't care, though I will probably avoid Asus next time.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

Yeah maybe they can go work at Advanced Micro. :roll:

I hereby officially accuse FelixDeKat of working for AEG.

EDIT: Working, not whoring. Although I'm pretty sure he does that, too.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

Yeah maybe they can go work at Advanced Micro. :roll:

I hereby officially accuse FelixDeKat of working for AEG.

EDIT: Working, not whoring. Although I'm pretty sure he does that, too.

Newbcheese says what?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I built my AM2 system recently and the reasons for it were price and choice of parts. I did not like any of the mobos available at the time for Conroe (still don't) and I particularly did not like their inflated prices.

When I upgrade next year (most likely) I will look at all these same factors again and base my purchases on that; whether it be AMD or Intel I really don't care, though I will probably avoid Asus next time.

My first love was Ep0x, then DFI, now its all about MSI.

I always buy the gold or platinum winner when Anandtech does a mobo roundup. Theyve never steered me wrong.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

Yeah maybe they can go work at Advanced Micro. :roll:

I hereby officially accuse FelixDeKat of working for AEG.

EDIT: Working, not whoring. Although I'm pretty sure he does that, too.

Newbcheese says what?

Felix, you're a troll.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

Yeah maybe they can go work at Advanced Micro. :roll:

I hereby officially accuse FelixDeKat of working for AEG.

EDIT: Working, not whoring. Although I'm pretty sure he does that, too.

Newbcheese says what?

Felix, you're a troll.

GTFO out of my thread, Jeroen.

 

[oRdchaos]

About a week after AM2 came out, I got the Foxconn 590 SLI board and an Athlon 64 3000+ (for about $109 :-/)

I really wanted a new PC at the time, and Conroe wasn't out yet. I figured AM2 should have enough legs to satisfy me (I was upgrading from an Asus A7N8X Nforce 2 board I'd bought at launch...so that lasted me quite a while...).

I was planning on upgrading to dual core after the price drops. But my silly little 1.8ghz processor is running 2.95ghz no sweat. Which makes me question whether I'd get any better gaming performance from going to X2 for a while...

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

Yeah maybe they can go work at Advanced Micro. :roll:

I hereby officially accuse FelixDeKat of working for AEG.

EDIT: Working, not whoring. Although I'm pretty sure he does that, too.

Newbcheese says what?

Felix, you're a troll.

GTFO out of my thread, Jeroen.

OK, I'm officially sooo not taking this thread as tongue-in-cheek humor anymore.:shocked:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

OK, I'm officially sooo not taking this thread as tongue-in-cheek humor anymore.:shocked:

Me neither! :shocked:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: oRdchaos
About a week after AM2 came out, I got the Foxconn 590 SLI board and an Athlon 64 3000+ (for about $109 :-/)

I really wanted a new PC at the time, and Conroe wasn't out yet. I figured AM2 should have enough legs to satisfy me (I was upgrading from an Asus A7N8X Nforce 2 board I'd bought at launch...so that lasted me quite a while...).

I was planning on upgrading to dual core after the price drops. But my silly little 1.8ghz processor is running 2.95ghz no sweat. Which makes me question whether I'd get any better gaming performance from going to X2 for a while...

Hey thats not a bad deal. Good job in finding a good value. But wasnt it risky buying AM2 to begin with?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: hans007
i think generally since they are real cheap.

theres some AMD based values out there that are worth buying. my friend just got an athlon x2 3800+ and radon express 200 ecs board at frys for $159. sure you could get an 820 or 805 based combo for less even, but the 3800+ is a better performer and uses less power. not to mention with the currentl high prices of ddr2 he could reuse all his old ddr400 ram.

It's so funny how brand image is everything. Last year, when AMD was on top, virtually nobody would even consider an 8xx series Intel dual core because of their inherent weaknesses (power consumption, run VERY hot, use DDR2 early on when it was pointless and expensive).

Now all of a sudden, since an unquestioned performance leader is out (Conroe), somehow Intel chips retroactively look better to people...

Reality hasn't changed. 8xx is still a bad CPU to run when considering the alternatives; 9xx is still interesting if you can find it for cheap and want to mess around with the last of the Netburst family but, again, there's better alternatives (Conroe/ X2).

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I'll reiterate: if buying a new system now at anything but a budget level, I'd recomment a C2D system. If upgrading a a high-end system from the past few years, S939 Athlon X2/Opteron still makes a lot of sense for people who already have good DDR memory as long as they find deals on the board and CPU (which are everywhere).

I'd agree that AM2 is not a very sensical route to go right now, unless you really have something against Intel.

IMO, for Conroe, the motherboard support still isn't where I want it to be; Intel 865p/875p was solid as a rock, but like Nforce 2 and Nforce 4 and i845 and i815 (remember - when Intel finally scrapped RAMBUS and went back to SDRAM!)) those chipsets were good because they were after several generations of tweaking and refining. Conroe is a brand new architecture for the desktop platform.

I traded an old system recently for some OCZ Platinum 800MHz DDR2 (2GB kit ) and considered upgrading to Conroe briefly; until I read that support on the motherboards I was looking at (Asus P5B or P5W series) were hit-or-miss. I don't want to be a guinea pig - I want my rig to be solid!

Once the next gen of built-from-the-ground-up Conroe boards are out, I'll probably hop onbard like everyone else. Unless AMD pulls a rabbit out of a hat and 65nm is more than just a die shrink .

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Long live mighty Intel.

Why don't you tell that to the 10,500 people they are laying off..

Yeah maybe they can go work at Advanced Micro. :roll:

I hereby officially accuse FelixDeKat of working for AEG.

EDIT: Working, not whoring. Although I'm pretty sure he does that, too.

Newbcheese says what?

Felix, you're a troll.

GTFO out of my thread, Jeroen.

Oh, no, I'm so scared! Sellout.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: hans007
i think generally since they are real cheap.

theres some AMD based values out there that are worth buying. my friend just got an athlon x2 3800+ and radon express 200 ecs board at frys for $159. sure you could get an 820 or 805 based combo for less even, but the 3800+ is a better performer and uses less power. not to mention with the currentl high prices of ddr2 he could reuse all his old ddr400 ram.

It's so funny how brand image is everything. Last year, when AMD was on top, virtually nobody would even consider an 8xx series Intel dual core because of their inherent weaknesses (power consumption, run VERY hot, use DDR2 early on when it was pointless and expensive).

Now all of a sudden, since an unquestioned performance leader is out (Conroe), somehow Intel chips retroactively look better to people...

Reality hasn't changed. 8xx is still a bad CPU to run when considering the alternatives; 9xx is still interesting if you can find it for cheap and want to mess around with the last of the Netburst family but, again, there's better alternatives (Conroe/ X2).

--------------

I'll reiterate: if buying a new system now at anything but a budget level, I'd recomment a C2D system. If upgrading a a high-end system from the past few years, S939 Athlon X2/Opteron still makes a lot of sense for people who already have good DDR memory as long as they find deals on the board and CPU (which are everywhere).

I'd agree that AM2 is not a very sensical route to go right now, unless you really have something against Intel.

IMO, for Conroe, the motherboard support still isn't where I want it to be; Intel 865p/875p was solid as a rock, but like Nforce 2 and Nforce 4 and i845 and i815 (remember - when Intel finally scrapped RAMBUS and went back to SDRAM!)) those chipsets were good because they were after several generations of tweaking and refining. Conroe is a brand new architecture for the desktop platform.

I traded an old system recently for some OCZ Platinum 800MHz DDR2 (2GB kit ) and considered upgrading to Conroe briefly; until I read that support on the motherboards I was looking at (Asus P5B or P5W series) were hit-or-miss. I don't want to be a guinea pig - I want my rig to be solid!

Once the next gen of built-from-the-ground-up Conroe boards are out, I'll probably hop onbard like everyone else. Unless AMD pulls a rabbit out of a hat and 65nm is more than just a die shrink .

The sooner you can utilize superior next gen tech at your pricepoints the better IMO. I too will be ready to implement Allendale / Conroe when a greater selection of boards become ready.

 

[Brunnis]

I just bought an AM2 system and it was a pretty easy decision for me. I needed a cheap and cool running system with pretty fast single threaded performance. The natural choice was a single core A64, since the only thing Intel had in the same category was a much slower Celeron.

It's also good to know that K8L should be a drop in replacement in the first half of next year.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Brunnis
I just bought an AM2 system and it was a pretty easy decision for me. I needed a cheap and cool running system with pretty fast single threaded performance. The natural choice was a single core A64, since the only thing Intel had in the same category was a much slower Celeron.

It's also good to know that K8L should be a drop in replacement in the first half of next year.

Hmmm....I heard that am2 wasnt a great investment since youre buying C2D parts anyway. Hope it works out for you.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat


Ciate pendejo.

"Ciate pendejo" ???what the hell is that!!!! ???, It's just the confirmation you are just a stupid troll, that just make you look even more stupid!!
Come on , Felixthecrap crapping again, Am I the only one thinking that idiot shoud have been banned long time ago?
Also this thread shoud be locked