Why won't Al Gore run in '08?

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Do you honestly see any moderate voters choosing Gore? I think he has positioned himself too far to the left to ever make a run at it again, successfully.

I don't really see that. Even a lot of conservatives groups and thinktanks are on his side (albeit their agenda have more to do with being less reliant on oil from the middle east).

And he did have the popular vote when he lost.

Now that most rational people people believe that global warming is real, i think that's a great point for him. Add to that that he's always been against the war. And he has had experience as VP. People will also remember back to the late 90s and how great the economy was back then. And if he does win the Nobel Peace prize, that would probably bring up his popularity as well.

I think a Gore/Obama ticket would sweep the election.

Personally, i would love to see Gore run. Certainly more than Hillary. I don't know, maybe he's really is tired of politics and just want to change the world his own way.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Craig234
Let's keep the history accurate. Gore won the election in 2000, if the votes were counted accurately; the election problems prevented that.

The butterfly ballot confusion alone caused enough voters to accidentally vote against him, while another factor that alone cost him the election was the black districts using the less expensive, far higher error rate centealized vote counting, and a third that alone cost him the election was the large number of innocent blacks erroneously removed as felons.

Yeah, whatever, go tell that to the left leaning newspapers who even after a year of review concluded he lost.

I know, if you keep pretending it happened as you think it did you can feel justified in your angst. Facts are facts, he lost fair and square and attempts to cirumvent the Florida's laws were shot down. If they had wanted a fair recount they would have done every county, but no, they didn't and therefor my support for them went right out the door. I am all for a fair fight, but don't try and change the rules... and counting ballots is more likely to be laden with fraud than electric means of accounting... they have had more years to practice.

You don't have to win the popular vote to become President, Clinton never won over 50% and he did fine up until he started lieing under oath.

Stop lying, Shivetya.

The media recount proved exactly what I said, that had all the votes been counted, Gore won.

Because that was considered embarrassing in the period after 9/11, they invented some nonsensical 'additional scenarios' under which Bush would have won the recount, too.

And that still leaves the many ways, from the butterfly ballot to the state's suppression of black votes, whicih also cost the person who was the real choice of the people the election.

You post another lie that 'angst' has any relevance, in a cheap attack. It doesn't. I'd rather the election had been decided fairly, I hate to see our democracy not work.

ProfJohn's desperate 'random collection of 2000 trivia' defies a response. So, Gore lost his home state and that's unusual. That has what to do with the issue of who won?

Gore won. Deal with it.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Craig234
Let's keep the history accurate. Gore won the election in 2000, if the votes were counted accurately; the election problems prevented that.

The butterfly ballot confusion alone caused enough voters to accidentally vote against him, while another factor that alone cost him the election was the black districts using the less expensive, far higher error rate centealized vote counting, and a third that alone cost him the election was the large number of innocent blacks erroneously removed as felons.

And the fact that he wanted to cherry pick the recount in Florida.

Popular vote totals do not couint per the way the government was designed.

Gore lost the electoral vote (which is the one the counted).

I'm not a fan of the way his legal team appealed four counties - a restriction forced on it by deadlines apparently. That has nothing to do with the issue of who won.

The issue isn't the electoral college, it's everything from the fact that counting all the votes statewide showed he won; and that the butterfly ballot cost him thousands of votes and Bush none; and that the black counties used centralized vote counting which made their ballots invalid at a rate about 8 times higher IIRC than white counties; and that the state conspired with a private company to disenfranchise tens of thousands of democratic voters under a phony 'felon voter list'. Gore was the man the people wanted. The election broke.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Tom
From the point of view of a person who thinks getting it right is more important than winning, the fact is nobody has the slightest idea who got the most votes in Florida.

Here's a link to right-wing Drudge who posted an accurate article on this:

Link

Or as Paul Krugman said:

About the evidence regarding a manual recount: in April 2001 a media consortium led by The Miami Herald assessed how various recounts of "undervotes," which did not register at all, would have affected the outcome. Two out of three hypothetical statewide counts would have given the election to Mr. Gore. The third involved a standard that would have discarded some ballots on which the intended vote was clear. Since Florida law seemed to require counting such ballots, this standard almost certainly wouldn't have been used in a statewide recount...

In November 2001 a larger consortium, which included The New York Times, produced more definitive results that allowed assessment of nine hypothetical recounts. (You can see the results at www.norc.uchicago.edu/fl - under articles.) The three recounts that had been most widely discussed during the battle of Florida, including the partial recount requested by the Gore campaign and two interpretations of the Florida Supreme Court order, would have given the vote to Mr. Bush.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: Craig234
Let's keep the history accurate. Gore won the election in 2000, if the votes were counted accurately; the election problems prevented that.

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No I doubt that.

The thing is, thousands of Florida asentee votes cast by expat military members were trashed on some flimsy technicality about postmarking of the military mail, on petition by the Democrats. It is thought that an overwhelming majority of those ballots were cast by US military personnel for Bush.

First it was a travesty to trash those ballots.
Second, those ballots would have tilted Florida more toward Bush.
Bush won among the people in addition to the electoral college.

The military ballots are a legitimate question.

First, as far as their legality, the ballots were apparently not mailed by the deadline, a black and white situation for them not to be counted, not 'incredibly flimsy'.

Second, it's fair to consider them in the question of who the voters wanted, but we can only speculate about the numbers, and IIRC they're far less than the lost Gore votes.

The butterfly ballot, and the phony felon purge, each cost Gore thousands of votes.

Add it up and Gore came out ahead.

 

[imported_Lothar]

There's no room for Hillary and Gore in the same race.

If Hillary dropped out however and Gore came in, look for Gore winning the nomination.
I'd certainly vote for him over Hillary or Edwards.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: halik
Anyone? Outside of the fringe left wing, hilary won't have much choice and compared to Obama, Al has a significant amount of experience....

Wrong. They said Bill wouldn't get elected. Then they said he wouldn't be elected for a second term. Gore is out, he should stay out, and that is that. Same with Kerry and every other has-been.
NEXT!

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
He's too smart to be President.

Edit: Same reason why John Stewart and others who have any sort of critical opinion to this society won't run.

Jon.

 

[Moonbeam]

Al Gore is hated because millions of morons voted against him. Those millions of morons helped to give us the truly titanic moron that how has the job he was running for. Al Gore is a symbol of their stupidity, their inane lack of intuitive capacity, their ability to vote for the totally wrong person. Sure they hate him because they lack the insight and honest conviction to identify who their hate is really for. They hate themselves because the person they voted for is a total disaster and they brought that disaster into existence. They could have and should have voted for Gore and did not. They are the most responsible for the disaster they have visited on all of us. But because of the huge and sick nature of the ego, they retreat into deeper denial and play all sorts of comforting mental games to hide from themselves their pathetic lack of judgment and wed and weld themselves to a further and deeper life time of it. These are those who double down and double down till life runs out of them. Thus are the blind comforted in their blindness. They continue to manifest disaster and with great pride.